PG - oh no, we suck again

[Clyde_Style]

Its like Thibs is saying that RJ has gone lazy with practicing...
And all this time I have this belief that he is a gym rat.

Thibs obviously thinks that RJ is slacking off.

He deserves getting ripped a new ass hole

It’s all that maple syrup

[Clyde_Style]

If your the GM of this team who’s fault is this?
Yours or the coaches ?

Ok I just realized what you said lmao read it wrong at first.

Scott Perry would have to shatter every mirror he owns for him to not place the blame on himself.

Scott Perry is just a figure head. They already overrode him with Fournier over DeRozan. He just does the grunt work while Wes and Rose do the dealmaking.

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Two Sugars, No Milk

[rajajackal]

If your the GM of this team who’s fault is this?
Yours or the coaches ?

Ok I just realized what you said lmao read it wrong at first.

Scott Perry would have to shatter every mirror he owns for him to not place the blame on himself.

Scott Perry is just a figure head. They already overrode him with Fournier over DeRozan. He just does the grunt work while Wes and Rose do the dealmaking.

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are we sure about this? i saw the fournier signing like the payton, hezonja, etc signings. former scott perry guys

[Clyde_Style]

Ok I just realized what you said lmao read it wrong at first.

Scott Perry would have to shatter every mirror he owns for him to not place the blame on himself.

Scott Perry is just a figure head. They already overrode him with Fournier over DeRozan. He just does the grunt work while Wes and Rose do the dealmaking.

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are we sure about this? i saw the fournier signing like the payton, hezonja, etc signings. former scott perry guys

He obviously is in the mix. He doesn’t have final say.

The question is was Fournier Perry’s # 1 choice? According to a published RUMOR Perry wanted Derozan.

If the rumor is true, then the narrative that Perry just wants his former players is probably not that accurate any more. It was definitely true before Leon was hired though.

[bearadonisdna]

Scott Perry is just a figure head. They already overrode him with Fournier over DeRozan. He just does the grunt work while Wes and Rose do the dealmaking.

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are we sure about this? i saw the fournier signing like the payton, hezonja, etc signings. former scott perry guys

He obviously is in the mix. He doesn’t have final say.

The question is was Fournier Perry’s # 1 choice? According to a published RUMOR Perry wanted Derozan.

If the rumor is true, then the narrative that Perry just wants his former players is probably not that accurate any more. It was definitely true before Leon was hired though.

This guys. Am pretty sure Leon is in the drivers seat . This is what I mean that if I were Leon im probably not blaming myself .

Signings :
Noel -10 mil . A major catalyst to the 4th seed and #1 defense. Exponentially more valuable than Mitch last year . Have to resign .

Kemba- 8m . Basically a better pointguard than Lonzo at half the price . This was a home run type move .

Fournier- 18 m. Quintessential 18 and D guy minus some D. Shoots the 3. From a division rival etc. his D actually picking up and being the teams top thief lately .

Rose- 13m . One of the teams Mvp. Must sign.

Burks- 10m. Probably over paid here . But another multi positional 3 and D guy and do dare I say possible best wing and starting point guard on the team. Wings but especially small forwards are typically worth their PER in millions. You basically pay market value for Burks. Also broaching your 18 and D beloved archetype.

Draft:
Now I’m also seeing my draft picks Obi and Quickly looking dominant at their position . Gotta be happy about that .

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As a GM (Leon) there is no way I think I just wet the bed. Swung and missed . In a fair world you would think there would be dual culpability but you actually upgraded your roster and pay for projected production and you are not seeing the results of your labor.
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[thebuzzardman]

We wouldn't sh*t on him if he was any good. He's really not.
He's "ok".
I mean, that's fine if he was drafted 20th.
He was drafted 3rd.
It's a setback.
Not as bad a setback as completely whiffing with Frank and Knox, but it's pretty unfortunate coming on the heels of that.

Yeah, I mean 11/4/1.3 on 40/25/62 in his 3rd year is just dreadful

Oh wait, that was Jaylen Brown's first 20 games his 3rd year

RJ's so much worse, just 14/6/2 on 40/31/70 splits... wait a second

He's having a bad year yeah, but y'all are obnoxiously excessive about it. And y'all pretend like he doesn't show flashes, but he does. He's inconsistent (meaning bad right now) but I don't know why y'all are like, so ready to sh*t on draft picks. It's like y'all want them to be bad

I'm fine with people saying he's regressed, cause he has so far, but god damn are y'all just excessively pessimistic about everything. It's like a fetish for you people, you want the Knicks to be bad so you can go "woe is me, I'm such a suffering Knicks fan" and have people pity you. He'll be fine, it'd be one thing if he had looked like this the whole time, but last year he looked pretty good, so it's clear he does have some potential

It's just so annoying that whenever RJ misses a shot, the next page and a half of any game thread is unreadable. Y'all give up on guys at every little setback, it's absurd. Nobody's allowed any time to be bad but show flashes, if you're not a star day one, half the fanbase is gonna want you gone. And that's why you can't rebuild in New York.

I wish I could and1 this more than once. I am disappointed too in his recent showings. but damn his shot will fall again and his defense and rebounding are still good. he can get to rim almost every time he wants, I don't know why the **** we are just using him as a spot up shooter right now while he is strugglin from outside.
but K-Dot you are spot on and most of the users in here don't deserve a good knicks team in their lifetime. this is so bad.

very good second season -> "RJ !!!!!"
good preseason and start to this season "RJ BETTER THAN MORANT, HERRO and so on...!!!!"
a bad 10 game stretch "he is the ultimate bust, he's never going to be good !!!"

Saying he SUCKS might be too much, but it's obvious he's a totally ordinary player, at best. That's the way it goes sometimes.

[thebuzzardman]

His efficiency is way down this year. Under 50% TS. I'm in panic mode on him.

I don't look at stats. I just see he's the same player that sometimes gets hot from 3. Or not. And struggles to drive that ball unless it's transition or a mismatch, and can't finish that well around the rim, see prior phrase.

He's just an unfortunate combination of not athletic/fast enough and not talented enough to make up for it.
It is what it is.
I mean, if LFT was faster, quicker, had a better handle and more skills, he had have been excellent.
But nature didn't grant those gifts, so he wasn't.
Same for RJ.

.
I called it from the start. Rich man's Lance Thomas.

Although I prefer Cadillac Ntillikina now.

I prefer Maplefrid Payton now.

[Reign23]

Yeah, I mean 11/4/1.3 on 40/25/62 in his 3rd year is just dreadful

Oh wait, that was Jaylen Brown's first 20 games his 3rd year

RJ's so much worse, just 14/6/2 on 40/31/70 splits... wait a second

He's having a bad year yeah, but y'all are obnoxiously excessive about it. And y'all pretend like he doesn't show flashes, but he does. He's inconsistent (meaning bad right now) but I don't know why y'all are like, so ready to sh*t on draft picks. It's like y'all want them to be bad

I'm fine with people saying he's regressed, cause he has so far, but god damn are y'all just excessively pessimistic about everything. It's like a fetish for you people, you want the Knicks to be bad so you can go "woe is me, I'm such a suffering Knicks fan" and have people pity you. He'll be fine, it'd be one thing if he had looked like this the whole time, but last year he looked pretty good, so it's clear he does have some potential

It's just so annoying that whenever RJ misses a shot, the next page and a half of any game thread is unreadable. Y'all give up on guys at every little setback, it's absurd. Nobody's allowed any time to be bad but show flashes, if you're not a star day one, half the fanbase is gonna want you gone. And that's why you can't rebuild in New York.

I wish I could and1 this more than once. I am disappointed too in his recent showings. but damn his shot will fall again and his defense and rebounding are still good. he can get to rim almost every time he wants, I don't know why the **** we are just using him as a spot up shooter right now while he is strugglin from outside.
but K-Dot you are spot on and most of the users in here don't deserve a good knicks team in their lifetime. this is so bad.

very good second season -> "RJ !!!!!"
good preseason and start to this season "RJ BETTER THAN MORANT, HERRO and so on...!!!!"
a bad 10 game stretch "he is the ultimate bust, he's never going to be good !!!"

Saying he SUCKS might be too much, but it's obvious he's a totally ordinary player, at best. That's the way it goes sometimes.

thats the opinion of most posters now. look at their opinions from 5 weeks ago, today:

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2133720

[thebuzzardman]

I wish I could and1 this more than once. I am disappointed too in his recent showings. but damn his shot will fall again and his defense and rebounding are still good. he can get to rim almost every time he wants, I don't know why the **** we are just using him as a spot up shooter right now while he is strugglin from outside.
but K-Dot you are spot on and most of the users in here don't deserve a good knicks team in their lifetime. this is so bad.

very good second season -> "RJ !!!!!"
good preseason and start to this season "RJ BETTER THAN MORANT, HERRO and so on...!!!!"
a bad 10 game stretch "he is the ultimate bust, he's never going to be good !!!"

Saying he SUCKS might be too much, but it's obvious he's a totally ordinary player, at best. That's the way it goes sometimes.

thats the opinion of most posters now. look at their opinions from 5 weeks ago, today:

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2133720

Yup. I thought he took a step. It was just one of those good games a lot of NBA players can have, unfortunately.
I see Jaylen Brown got brought up. That guy is an uber athlete. So there is something to kind of fall back on when maybe the shot isn't going or the situations of the game don't allow what makes him his best.
RJ isn't so different from a number of players who need things a certain way to score. Absolutely require a pick to get free 95% of the time. Maybe the defense on it's heels a bit in transition. And so on.
RJ's got a lot of attributes that make him a nice player to have on a team. Plays within the concept. All around skills. Solid defender. Great attitude. (Thibs recent comments notwithstanding)
His top end talent just isn't that good along with kind of ordinary athleticism for the NBA. He's strong as hell. Quick or explosive he's not. That's going to be tough as a wing.


Also, I have a theory about why Thibs is going in on RJ.
Phil Jackson used to go in on Horace Grant about stuff that wasn't even about Horace. But he knew Horace could take it.
I think Thibs is saying stuff at RJ meant for Randle. Because RJ has a strong mind and Randle is kind of sensitive.

[thebuzzardman]

are we sure about this? i saw the fournier signing like the payton, hezonja, etc signings. former scott perry guys

He obviously is in the mix. He doesn’t have final say.

The question is was Fournier Perry’s # 1 choice? According to a published RUMOR Perry wanted Derozan.

If the rumor is true, then the narrative that Perry just wants his former players is probably not that accurate any more. It was definitely true before Leon was hired though.

This guys. Am pretty sure Leon is in the drivers seat . This is what I mean that if I were Leon im probably not blaming myself .

Signings :
Noel -10 mil . A major catalyst to the 4th seed and #1 defense. Exponentially more valuable than Mitch last year . Have to resign .

Kemba- 8m . Basically a better pointguard than Lonzo at half the price . This was a home run type move .

Fournier- 18 m. Quintessential 18 and D guy minus some D. Shoots the 3. From a division rival etc. his D actually picking up and being the teams top thief lately .

Rose- 13m . One of the teams Mvp. Must sign.

Burks- 10m. Probably over paid here . But another multi positional 3 and D guy and do dare I say possible best wing and starting point guard on the team. Wings but especially small forwards are typically worth their PER in millions. You basically pay market value for Burks. Also broaching your 18 and D beloved archetype.

Draft:
Now I’m also seeing my draft picks Obi and Quickly looking dominant at their position . Gotta be happy about that .

————————————————-

As a GM (Leon) there is no way I think I just wet the bed. Swung and missed . In a fair world you would think there would be dual culpability but you actually upgraded your roster and pay for projected production and you are not seeing the results of your labor.
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Knicks set up a bureaucratic committee to handle GM'ing so it's hard to assign blame. Actually clever. Dolan's axe probably falls on the innocent bystander like Perrin, while Perry and Rose skate free. Genius.

[thebuzzardman]

We hired an ex-agent as POBO just as we entered a 5-year period where no superstar wants out.

You can't make this stuff up. Typical Knicks.

Rose isn't a basketball savant, or an analytics expert. He has no expertise, besides a network of relationships that would've been useful in a different time period. I never understood why people ever had faith in this front office - it always seemed like wishful thinking to me.

Thibs is a basketball Republican. He's not going to experiment or innovate. He's predictable and risk averse.

We shouldn’t blame the players. The mistakes happened before any personnel move. These two hires put us on a path to mediocrity.

We just don't have good decision-makers.

We had to go through this so Dolan can finally see his CAA buddies ain't sh*t.

Dolan is going to realize he's behind the times and not rely on the word of a guy who manages the Eagles to give him advice.
He's going to ask the guy who manages Pearl Jam for advice.

[thebuzzardman]

Read on Twitter

Thibs fired????!!!?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If so this team is cursed until Dolan dies

Spoiler:

We had our chance when he caught COVID last year...

We really are cursed forever.

I'm not going to lie. I rooted hard for Dolan's death at that time.
As a Knick fan, of course it didn't work out.
Yes, I'm a terrible person. You already knew that.

[thebuzzardman]

@Spurs
@Pacers
@Raptors
Bucks
Warriors

11-16 coming up!

[camillepd]

The Fournier Rj Barrett combination on the wing won’t work. Put RJ back at the 2 and trade for a small forward. Harrison Barnes anyone???

[prophet_of_rage]

The Bulls have 2 All-Star guards....one of which the Knicks could have signed. Yet we're stuck with Fournier, racking up losses and playing poor defense.

Knicks haven't had an all star guard since Allan Houston n Spree.

Is getting an All-star level guard really 18 years type difficulty level? Really?

THIS. I begging for this team to sign Derozan AND Ball but if we could signed at least one of them I would been satisfied. Instead Perry goes the mediocre route and gets damaged goods and a decent back up (paying him starter money). Perry should have been fired along with Mills and if it wasn't apparent before, it should be now.

Why do we keep ignoring Perry wanted DeRozan and was overruled?

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[thebuzzardman]

Was at the game. Fans were desperate to see dole fight out of this team but they just got rolled.

Jokic is just so good.

My condolences

[bearadonisdna]

Saying he SUCKS might be too much, but it's obvious he's a totally ordinary player, at best. That's the way it goes sometimes.

thats the opinion of most posters now. look at their opinions from 5 weeks ago, today:

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2133720

Yup. I thought he took a step. It was just one of those good games a lot of NBA players can have, unfortunately.
I see Jaylen Brown got brought up. That guy is an uber athlete. So there is something to kind of fall back on when maybe the shot isn't going or the situations of the game don't allow what makes him his best.
RJ isn't so different from a number of players who need things a certain way to score. Absolutely require a pick to get free 95% of the time. Maybe the defense on it's heels a bit in transition. And so on.
RJ's got a lot of attributes that make him a nice player to have on a team. Plays within the concept. All around skills. Solid defender. Great attitude. (Thibs recent comments notwithstanding)
His top end talent just isn't that good along with kind of ordinary athleticism for the NBA. He's strong as hell. Quick or explosive he's not. That's going to be tough as a wing.


Also, I have a theory about why Thibs is going in on RJ.
Phil Jackson used to go in on Horace Grant about stuff that wasn't even about Horace. But he knew Horace could take it.
I think Thibs is saying stuff at RJ meant for Randle. Because RJ has a strong mind and Randle is kind of sensitive.

Interesting theory , I buy it.
But also RjB was a bit more free wielding than in recent nights and now thibs acting like you ain’t doing that for me . More so for RJBs own glory and player development . Am just gonna say it , maybe chasing a harden comparison .

Guess what thibs morale is getting lower, people who used to watch 30 point blowouts don’t wanna watch this. It’s mind numbing treadmill and the players are directly affected we just watching .

[bearadonisdna]

In the end what thibs said said about RJB wasn’t even a slap on the wrist . That’s just coaching . He said you wanna get better get in the gym . No harm no foul , RJB the man . There was no disrespect , actually it was respect to what he is capable of.
Coaching him up , part of the business.

[thebuzzardman]

thats the opinion of most posters now. look at their opinions from 5 weeks ago, today:

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2133720

Yup. I thought he took a step. It was just one of those good games a lot of NBA players can have, unfortunately.
I see Jaylen Brown got brought up. That guy is an uber athlete. So there is something to kind of fall back on when maybe the shot isn't going or the situations of the game don't allow what makes him his best.
RJ isn't so different from a number of players who need things a certain way to score. Absolutely require a pick to get free 95% of the time. Maybe the defense on it's heels a bit in transition. And so on.
RJ's got a lot of attributes that make him a nice player to have on a team. Plays within the concept. All around skills. Solid defender. Great attitude. (Thibs recent comments notwithstanding)
His top end talent just isn't that good along with kind of ordinary athleticism for the NBA. He's strong as hell. Quick or explosive he's not. That's going to be tough as a wing.


Also, I have a theory about why Thibs is going in on RJ.
Phil Jackson used to go in on Horace Grant about stuff that wasn't even about Horace. But he knew Horace could take it.
I think Thibs is saying stuff at RJ meant for Randle. Because RJ has a strong mind and Randle is kind of sensitive.

Interesting theory , I buy it.
But also RjB was a bit more free wielding than in recent nights and now thibs acting like you ain’t doing that for me . More so for RJBs own glory and player development . Am just gonna say it , maybe chasing a harden comparison .

Guess what thibs morale is getting lower, people who used to watch 30 point blowouts don’t wanna watch this. It’s mind numbing treadmill and the players are directly affected we just watching .

Maybe RJ's effort isn't totally there. I've only watched half of each of the last few games. Maybe he's not shooting in the gym on off days as much. But Randle is ABSOLUTELY taking plays off, wandering around etc. Feels like Thibs called out RJ, and he might need a little talking to, but the main target was Randle and everyone.

[Clyde_Style]

Saying he SUCKS might be too much, but it's obvious he's a totally ordinary player, at best. That's the way it goes sometimes.

thats the opinion of most posters now. look at their opinions from 5 weeks ago, today:

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2133720

Yup. I thought he took a step. It was just one of those good games a lot of NBA players can have, unfortunately.
I see Jaylen Brown got brought up. That guy is an uber athlete. So there is something to kind of fall back on when maybe the shot isn't going or the situations of the game don't allow what makes him his best.
RJ isn't so different from a number of players who need things a certain way to score. Absolutely require a pick to get free 95% of the time. Maybe the defense on it's heels a bit in transition. And so on.
RJ's got a lot of attributes that make him a nice player to have on a team. Plays within the concept. All around skills. Solid defender. Great attitude. (Thibs recent comments notwithstanding)
His top end talent just isn't that good along with kind of ordinary athleticism for the NBA. He's strong as hell. Quick or explosive he's not. That's going to be tough as a wing.


Also, I have a theory about why Thibs is going in on RJ.
Phil Jackson used to go in on Horace Grant about stuff that wasn't even about Horace. But he knew Horace could take it.
I think Thibs is saying stuff at RJ meant for Randle. Because RJ has a strong mind and Randle is kind of sensitive.

Much of RJ's upside has been predicated on (a) desire and (b) work ethic. He is clearly a player who requires confidence to perform well. Lose the proper mindset and RJ's game goes to pieces basically.

RJ's confidence seems low now. It takes more for a guy like him to get that back than an athletic stud who can break out at any time. RJ is a steady as she goes guy so if you remove consistency and confidence we're left with propping him up by saying well at least he defends and rebounds.

Well, it seems Thibs just burst any bubble with his get back in the gym comments.

I was the one who identified RJ as a modular skills guy who can overcome his mechanical shortcomings by skill stacking. If he's slacking on that he ain't going to make it.

In defense of RJ though, he's quite young. He came into the league at 18. So his trajectory may actually require 5 seasons to mature into a consistent NBA player.

And I think he is a good influence. It is definitely an interesting read on Thibs that he said to RJ because he's the mentally strong one. I think he's a more stable person than Randle who is now so Emo I'm beginning to dislike him a bit. I doubt RJ is ever going to be a locker room problem. He may even be the quiet type of leader. Randle ain't a leader at all.

So I'm sorry RJ is struggling, but you don't give up on him. If he's part of a trade, so be it. But he still can become a solid player with more time. He's not a # 1 or # 2 scoring option probably, but that doesn't mean he can't be a good overall contributor.