PG - oh no, we suck again

[G_K_F]

I think it’s been lost on people that Leon Rose is here because he’s Dolan’s friend. He has no resume for the job he was given. Much like the people before him, Rose falls into the category as ‘big celebrity name hire with no front office resume’ like Isiah or Phil or ‘James Dolan sycophant’ like Mills, Perry, and Grunwald before him.

[prophet_of_rage]

I think it’s been lost on people that Leon Rose is here because he’s Dolan’s friend. He has no resume for the job he was given. Much like the people before him, Rose falls into the category as ‘big celebrity name hire with no front office resume’ like Isiah or Phil or ‘James Dolan sycophant’ like Mills, Perry, and Grunwald before him.

True.

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[robillionaire]

THIS. I begging for this team to sign Derozan AND Ball but if we could signed at least one of them I would been satisfied. Instead Perry goes the mediocre route and gets damaged goods and a decent back up (paying him starter money). Perry should have been fired along with Mills and if it wasn't apparent before, it should be now.

Why do we keep ignoring Perry wanted DeRozan and was overruled?

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because this way we can pretend that leon rose is not ultimately responsible for everything that's happened, which of course he is, and we can cling to the hope that the current management is not hopeless like all the groups before them.

This way we can pretend that Dolan is not ultimately responsible for everything that’s happened and can cling to the hope that the current owner is not hopeless. He hired Leon. It’s just the same cope

[Iron Mantis]

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Tankalicious

Unfortunately, at some point, this team will find a groove and a go on few win streaks to stick us with the 14th pick

[Zenzibar]

Stop with all the RJ doom and gloom youth negativity. You fkn guys are always just too quick to burn our youth.
Last year was Obi, now its RJ, tomorrow Grimes, IQ, Duece, Simms on and on. SMFH.

Comes a time you gotta face the truth. Truth is RJ is buns

The time for closing the door on RJ's Knicks tenure is certainly not here.
Take Jimmy Butler's 3rd year (2013).

.457 : 2PT
.283 : 3PT
13ppg
.769 ft%
38 minutes pg.

In Jimmy Butler's 4th year he averaged 20+ppg and has never looked back after that.

By you starting this RJ is a bust chant and those who And1 you, just shows how this fanbase wants to build from within but has absolutely no time for it.

[RHODEY]

Stop with all the RJ doom and gloom youth negativity. You fkn guys are always just too quick to burn our youth.
Last year was Obi, now its RJ, tomorrow Grimes, IQ, Duece, Simms on and on. SMFH.

Comes a time you gotta face the truth. Truth is RJ is buns

The time for closing the door on RJ's Knicks tenure is certainly not here.
Take Jimmy Butler's 3rd year (2013).

.457 : 2PT
.283 : 3PT
13ppg
.769 ft%
38 minutes pg.

In Jimmy Butler's 4th year he averaged 20+ppg and has never looked back after that.

By you starting this RJ is a bust chant and those who And1 you, just shows how this fanbase wants to build from within but has absolutely no time for it.

One thing i notice is that RJ rarely plays well when JR is on the court. We may never get to see RJ fully unlocked unless they are separated.

[Zenzibar]

I think it’s been lost on people that Leon Rose is here because he’s Dolan’s friend. He has no resume for the job he was given. Much like the people before him, Rose falls into the category as ‘big celebrity name hire with no front office resume’ like Isiah or Phil or ‘James Dolan sycophant’ like Mills, Perry, and Grunwald before him.

I'm not a Dolan apologist but as a standalone fact, Leon Rose and his carefully selected executives are good if not great: Perrin, Aller, Frank Zanin etc. I trust that collectively they will turn this around, Dolan needs to stay away and let Rose, WWW and team prove their worth.

Last year they were God-sent, this year they're are worse than sht, typical Knicks RealGM fanbase cutthroats.

[Zenzibar]

Comes a time you gotta face the truth. Truth is RJ is buns

The time for closing the door on RJ's Knicks tenure is certainly not here.
Take Jimmy Butler's 3rd year (2013).

.457 : 2PT
.283 : 3PT
13ppg
.769 ft%
38 minutes pg.

In Jimmy Butler's 4th year he averaged 20+ppg and has never looked back after that.

By you starting this RJ is a bust chant and those who And1 you, just shows how this fanbase wants to build from within but has absolutely no time for it.

One thing i notice is that RJ rarely plays well when JR is on the court. We may never get to see RJ fully unlocked unless they are separated.

You may be right Bro, this is why Thibs is perhaps playing RJ more with his peers: IQ, Obi, Mitch and Grimes.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If you want to build around youth and draft picks, you can’t give up on players fast. You have to have patience.

[JBreezeNY]

I think it’s been lost on people that Leon Rose is here because he’s Dolan’s friend. He has no resume for the job he was given. Much like the people before him, Rose falls into the category as ‘big celebrity name hire with no front office resume’ like Isiah or Phil or ‘James Dolan sycophant’ like Mills, Perry, and Grunwald before him.

Yup.

Once you’re able to understand this you stop putting energy into the current regime, you just live your life & you pick out your favorite players to watch on the current team who will eventually win for another team in a lesser role since too much is expected from them here.

The front office is perfectly fine with being okay because 1. They get big money contracts from Dolan & 2. the fans will cling onto hope & optimism resulting in ticket/merch sales which will not create an urgency to win since we make more money being mediocre.

Literally the only way Dolan listens is when fans stop going to the games & he hears sell the team chants. Every single time.

Our FO is too vanilla with their transactions & we play politics when it comes to rotations. Leon Rose is a PERFECT hire because he will do enough to stay in good graces without doing anything unorthodox or left field while flaunting his great work relationships.

Your essential company man.

Unless we hire a President/GM who is incredibly savvy we are doomed, perfect example is Denver. They have a future HOFer in Jokic but because their management makes terrible moves, he will eventually leave and they will start over again. That is going to be us with Randle, just like how it was with Melo, just like how it was with Ewing (after we didn’t give Riley what he wanted).

[HerSports85]

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[JBreezeNY]

I think it’s been lost on people that Leon Rose is here because he’s Dolan’s friend. He has no resume for the job he was given. Much like the people before him, Rose falls into the category as ‘big celebrity name hire with no front office resume’ like Isiah or Phil or ‘James Dolan sycophant’ like Mills, Perry, and Grunwald before him.

I'm not a Dolan apologist but as a standalone fact, Leon Rose and his carefully selected executives are good if not great: Perrin, Aller, Frank Zanin etc. I trust that collectively they will turn this around, Dolan needs to stay away and let Rose, WWW and team prove their worth.

Last year they were God-sent, this year they're are worse than sht, typical Knicks RealGM fanbase cutthroats.

This is exactly what they want you to think, they got you hook, line, sinker.

[G_K_F]

I think it’s been lost on people that Leon Rose is here because he’s Dolan’s friend. He has no resume for the job he was given. Much like the people before him, Rose falls into the category as ‘big celebrity name hire with no front office resume’ like Isiah or Phil or ‘James Dolan sycophant’ like Mills, Perry, and Grunwald before him.

I'm not a Dolan apologist but as a standalone fact, Leon Rose and his carefully selected executives are good if not great: Perrin, Aller, Frank Zanin etc. I trust that collectively they will turn this around, Dolan needs to stay away and let Rose, WWW and team prove their worth.

Last year they were God-sent, this year they're are worse than sht, typical Knicks RealGM fanbase cutthroats.

[BugginOut]

People are disappointed, but to dissect the off-season like you could of done better in hindsight is dumb.

We drafted for the BPA and go an extra pick out of it. A late round rookie wasn’t going to turn us around and none of these guys in our range are killing it anyway. Y’all would of killed the FO if they traded up for Duarte and he wasn’t even available.

We weren’t ever signing Lonzo or DeRozan. Lonzo was acquired due to Bulls tampering and wouldn’t even solve our PG problem anyway because this team doesn’t run.

If you said you wanted to sign DeRozan last year you would of been laughed out the building. It was a risk that our FO wasn’t willing to take. No one could expect he would take a leap at 32 years of age. We don’t even know how he will look in the playoffs. Regardless we aren’t one DeRozan away from contending.

Front office had two goals. Get better while maintaining cal flexibility. Kemba was the low risk move they made and it didn’t work out. If it worked we would have been a better team. Oh well we still have assets and cap space to use in the future.

[thebuzzardman]

Also it’s not moot because I would say the exact same thing about a fan mad because their team didn’t take McBride and don’t care that he’s “dominating the g league” like Luka Samanic is down there putting up big numbers too and so was Ignas Brazdeikis so I’m really not impressed by that I need to see real results

thats you, but you was the one trying to dismiss the other poster point that we should have picked him. What you eat dont make everyone else ****. I personally was a huge fan of Jones in the draft, and he would been an excellent developmental prospect to have been drafted by us as we dont have a center like him on the roster. We are still in center hell, but at least with Jones there is huge potential defensively and offensively.

You said you need to see real results? how about the real results that we all see... that our centers on the roster are super suspect now and tomo.

Ok well look, I just checked the box score of that 15 point game and he was a -21 and outplayed by Kabengele

We could use a better center I agree that’s true but that doesn’t mean it has to be him, there’s a reason he was there at 19 in a top heavy draft l, in fact he wasn’t that great at Texas which is why his stock did not rise but fell throughout the year, if could go back and use the 19th pick there are still good other players I would take over him

The Hornets starting center is Miles Plumlee you are overstating them being stacked at the position

Every RealGM Knicks discussion eventually comes around to draft regret and posturing over who was preferred and not taken or harping over making a correct choice or guess.

[Iron Mantis]

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I think his being removed from the rotation was to keep him healthy because the Knicks have a trade lined up.

Because from starting to instant DNP seems kind of fishy.

[Fat]

Same can be said for the draft. We didn't appear to make any serious effort to move up and snag any of the top tier talent. Look at Chris Duarte and what he is doing. He was one of the players a lot of guys talked about and would have been a great fit. Don't get me wrong, I like Grimes and McBride (Sims is looking like a steal), but I think they got a little lucky that those guys were still there.

Well Duarte is also 24.5 y/o and probably a complete product. In fact I checked his stats to see what he’s doing and he’s shooting 34.9% from 3 and all his BPM stats are negative, personally I am not impressed by it

Grimes is 3 years younger and is shooting 41.2% from 3 with a much higher ts% it’s a much smaller sample size but maybe we should see what we have there

1. Duarte isn't a complete product.

2. Pacers suck this season. Don't eat too much of the BPM, Grimes would do far worse and has never been a better basketball player at any point of his life over Duarte.

3.Duarte 35% 3PT(after slumping but was 40% majority of the season) on 126 3pt attempts. Comparing Grimes 41% in 17 attempts during garbage time is mindless. Duarte is amongst the top in rookies in 3PT made and points scored. Theres absolutely nothing you've seen from Grimes in a mere 75 minutes played. That's an extremely low sample size. Who knows where they finish at the end of the season. But I'll put a stack up and say Duarte will prove hes the more lethal shooter. He's already the superior defender, athlete, slasher and playmaker. Duarte leads all rookies on 3pt made. 126 > 17. 17 is too small to even say what level of a shooter Grimes is. Harden takes like 17 3pt in one quarter.....cut that ish out assuming 41% is a stat that holds weight. 17A is too low for that to mean anything. Especially in garbage minutes.

4. Grimes is a slouch at defense, he plays guard but is not a playmaker and he never shown he can't drive effectively. He can shoot so he's a vanilla Anthony Morrow. Duarte is a quick Brogdon with defense. It's not even close. If Grimes isnt shooting, what else is he doing ? Hes never shown in Houston he was anything but a one dimensional player. If you check out Pacers games, Duarte is getting 33 mins of burn because he plays both ends. His scoring numbers will end this season around 16 ppg on 39% 3pt shooting. Grimes will struggle to even crack 20 minutes a game. 4 years from now Grimes will be the same player and Duarte will be a two way starter putting up 20 ppg on 40% 3pt shooting. Its a lopsided comparison. All guards on this roster are ass at defense and cement feet Grimes doesnt have the lateral quickness like Duarte to be a 28minute plus rotation player. Grimes can hit 3s for us then great. We got Anthony Morrow without the scoring off the bench. But lets not pretend Grimes is this all around talent who we will be building around. Duarte already commands responsibility and a big role on a team. Grimes will struggle to ever seen 20 min per game because you will learn how hell get exposed defensively. Duarte plays meaningful minutes and Grimes doesnt. Two way player who will be a 20 ppg scorer on high % > Anthony Morrow with low ceiling. Quote me 6 months from now.

Duarte is 24 pushing 25 in June he came into the NBA a more polished and well rounded prospect this comparison in general makes no sense to compare lol even less sense considering one is getting way more minutes and situations are very different. Knicks are a playoff focused team and came into the season with that mindset. pacers are pretty much free lancing so opportunity is much more in Duartes favor to perform without restrictions

Duarte indeed is the better player so far though. Is he a finished product probably not but he is probably closer to his ceiling than grimes is if we’re looking at upside

But Realistically (in my opinion)

Duarte most likely ends up a high quality role player for his career… well rounded and can do a little of everything

Grimes most likely will be less of a scorer but a better shooter and pesky Defender. I don’t know where the notion grimes is a slouch defender comes from? Dude hardly sees the floor yet is always locked in defensively and has shown he can knock down the 3 despite being thrown into games randomly. That’s not exactly a easy task for a rookie

[Gravy]

If you want to build around youth and draft picks, you can’t give up on players fast. You have to have patience.

When people say they want a rebuild it really means they just want to draft a superstar. We've had a large amount of 18-21 yr olds on the roster over the last few years and the team is still under .500. Simply drafting youth wont get you anywhere without at least one of them being great and also adding the right kind of vets like CP3.

Fans would trade every kid we have for a top 5 pick. The patience is for repeatedly being in the lotto to find the star, not necessarily for developing the kids who might be mediocre.

[dakomish23]

Imagine bringing back Nerlens Noel on a 3 year deal only to see him average 4.0 PPG getting 25min a night. Leon Rose is actually hilarious.

Made no sense then and makes less sense now.

Come buy tickets to msg where you can see if last year's Knicks can duplicate their success!

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Accurate

[Chanel Bomber]

If you want to build around youth and draft picks, you can’t give up on players fast. You have to have patience.

Like we did with Frank and Knox?

It's a case-by-case situation.

You can't be patient with all your young players as a general rule.

You have to track their progress and assess their talent realistically.