2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[Jstock12]

Mobley is off the table.

What about FOUR 1st picks?

4 picks and 3 swaps lol


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

4 picks, 3 swaps an 10% ownership stake in the Raptors.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

What about FOUR 1st picks?

4 picks and 3 swaps lol


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

4 picks, 3 swaps an 10% ownership stake in the Raptors.

4 picks, 3 swaps an 10% ownership stake in the Raptors and your first born

[brownbobcat]

Yeah, the Carmelo package isn't a good comparison. Melo was a top 10 or so player in the league at that time, a bonafide first option scorer and one of the best scorers to ever play the game (in his prime).

Siakam is undoubtedly a tier below that. Still, he is a PF who can handle the ball, 3 level scorer and can defend, rebound and make plays. Even with his recent struggles, I can't think of 5 PFs Id pick over him in the league right now.

So yeah, not going to give him away for a hustle 5 and a 3&D PG.

Nah. We're not in a rush to give up Pascal. We don't HAVE to move him. We should be listening to reasonable offers but its not like he's requested a trade or is a malcontent that is disrupting team chemistry.

As I said above, I would make argument that Pascal is a top 5-7 PF in the league (I only have Zion, Davis, Giannis, Sabonis and Durant over him) and the top guys aren't getting traded.

Now I'm not sure what we have to do to have Haliburton part of the deal but yeah.

I'm not saying that's the only solution or that Toronto needs to panic, but I think the decision will definitely happen by the off-season at latest. I wouldn't really get caught up in positional rankings as much as roster rankings. If the #7 PF (at $33M) is only considered the 3rd wheel on a great team, that's going to really limit trade opportunities. The 4 spot is kinda fluid as well since teams go small and you have guys like Luka, LeBron, Ingram and such playing there. Is Siakam really head & shoulders above a guy like John Collins or Randle right now? I'd say it's doubtful.

[Saul Goodman]

Any teams trying to offload bad money out there? I’d love to use Dragic and Boucher to take on bad deals to get picks. Cleveland desperate to get off Love?




Love
Cleveland 2022 top 5 protected
Houston 2022 2nd

For

Dragic
Boucher
Flynn

[Morris_Shatford]

Any teams trying to offload bad money out there? I’d love to use Dragic and Boucher to take on bad deals to get picks. Cleveland desperate to get off Love?




Love
Cleveland 2022 top 5 protected
Houston 2022 2nd

For

Dragic
Boucher
Flynn

Does that put us in the tax?

[tecumseh18]

Any teams trying to offload bad money out there? I’d love to use Dragic and Boucher to take on bad deals to get picks. Cleveland desperate to get off Love?




Love
Cleveland 2022 top 5 protected
Houston 2022 2nd

For

Dragic
Boucher
Flynn

Does that put us in the tax?

Yes it would. Raptors don't have enough of the 5-7 million dollar salaries of disposable players to make a deal like that work. It's also a problem with trying to bring in a guy like Marvin Bagley.

Plus, I think Cleveland want to win this year. I don't see them giving up Love and picks just for cap space this summer.

[WaltFrazier]

Any teams trying to offload bad money out there? I’d love to use Dragic and Boucher to take on bad deals to get picks. Cleveland desperate to get off Love?




Love
Cleveland 2022 top 5 protected
Houston 2022 2nd

For

Dragic
Boucher
Flynn

Love could really help us on the court, spacing the floor and rebounding.

[NotMyKawhi]

MU's history shows we are more likely to do a rudy Gay trade than trade for the best piece in the trade

He's not going to trade for a star when we aren't even a playoff team.

I'd look for a Pascal, FVV or Trent to be traded for future assets

[Kinger95]

Considering our track record with drafting and development and add on top of that most that’s all been done pick 20 or later other than barne/jak we could honestly move siakam to a team like the kings for an underwhelming package but it would allow Scottie to develop better, free up money, balance roster configuration, add future pick for potential trades even or just use them the build the roster not to mention to actual guys you get in the trade.

I’d seek a 3 team where we re-route buddy yield to a 3rd team for a pick. Plus the picks from sac and maybe davion Mitchell

[Rapsfan07]

Considering our track record with drafting and development and add on top of that most that’s all been done pick 20 or later other than barne/jak we could honestly move siakam to a team like the kings for an underwhelming package but it would allow Scottie to develop better, free up money, balance roster configuration, add future pick for potential trades even or just use them the build the roster not to mention to actual guys you get in the trade.

I’d seek a 3 team where we re-route buddy yield to a 3rd team for a pick. Plus the picks from sac and maybe davion Mitchell

Siakam is an all-star PF. Even if we drafted the second coming of LeBron, you don't trade guys like that away for less than they're worth. You can't build a contender like that.

I think the Kings are 1 of 2 possible destinations that could give us the best return possible on Siakam. But as I said in previous posts, I personally would not send Siakam to the Kings unless Haliburton was coming back. Fox is young yes but he's quite expensive and is kinda "meh", Mitchell is interesting but doesn't look special and we already have a younger cheaper and taller version of Hield in Trent Jr.

If the Kings want an all-star two way PF, they're going to have offer more than that

[Rapsfan07]

I think the best deal for Siakam will be probably be to the Warriors. A package for Wiseman, Moody/Kuminga and Wiggins as a salary ballast.

Not sure what the exact pieces would be but yeah.

[Ell Curry]

The Siakam trade I could see is something like this:

Raptors: Tauren Prince, Malik Beasley, Timberwolves top 10 protected 2022 1st, Lottery protected 1st that becomes 2 seconds if they aren't in lotto
Timberwolves: Siakam

. They're basically assured of giving up two picks around 15-20 and we save like 19M next year and over 30M the year after and get 2 more shots for Masai so 4 firsts in the next 2 drafts to add the center and 3pt shooting forward we need around Vanvleet-___-OG-Barnes-___ and hopefully 2 more bench guys to join Trent and probably Banton and possibly Achiuwa, Flynn in the rotation as Birch ages out. We would also be maybe able to trade up if there's someone we love, or package picks if a guy becomes available.

Would mean Finch loves Siakam, which I'm not sure of, but he certainly fits as their #3 scorer and main defensive guy around the Russell-Edwards-Towns core and they now look too good to tank.

[bluerap23]

Denver does this deal when Murray returns so they can avoid the tax next year. We get a legit backup PG that can save Fred from breakdown.

[bluerap23]

I dislike this trade for us, but for the Pascal haters it may be interesting.
Note: if Orlando prefers Suggs could be swapped for Anthony.

[Spida888]

I dislike this trade for us, but for the Pascal haters it may be interesting.
Note: if Orlando prefers Suggs could be swapped for Anthony.

Wow +13 wins lol. Seriously though, don't think both sides would agree to it especially Orlando because they are rebuilding. Yet -11 wins would be upgrading their tank .

I think Sacramento might be the best trading partner, and they allegedly had some interest in Pascal during offseason. They might make a move now that they are closer to the play-in.

[DangerZone13]

I very much like the idea of moving Pascal for a pair of young talents at the 1 and 5, but a couple of issues:

A third team is needed to give up rebuilding pieces to Orlando.

I'd love to have Bamba, but with his RFA status at the end of the year, he's worth more to Orlando than any other team will likely be willing to pay. The other downside is that if he looks as good with our system and culture as I think he would, he'd be up for a bigger contract than trying to swing something with Orlando in the summer.

That said, if the third team that wants Pascal can be resolved, I think we could do a lot worse than a haul like this.

According the the forums, a Siakam package can't pull someone like Haliburton, but I assume the brass has some players like Precious that they see something in that may not be utilized on their current team. I just hope they can nab a couple of them in a Siakam deal, similar to the Rudy Gay trade.

[bluerap23]

I very much like the idea of moving Pascal for a pair of young talents at the 1 and 5, but a couple of issues:

A third team is needed to give up rebuilding pieces to Orlando.

I'd love to have Bamba, but with his RFA status at the end of the year, he's worth more to Orlando than any other team will likely be willing to pay. The other downside is that if he looks as good with our system and culture as I think he would, he'd be up for a bigger contract than trying to swing something with Orlando in the summer.

That said, if the third team that wants Pascal can be resolved, I think we could do a lot worse than a haul like this.

According the the forums, a Siakam package can't pull someone like Haliburton, but I assume the brass has some players like Precious that they see something in that may not be utilized on their current team. I just hope they can nab a couple of them in a Siakam deal, similar to the Rudy Gay trade.

I think Orlando would jump at the chance to get Pascal. They have been "rebuilding" for years. They have 2 Centres starting and had 2 pgs starting (before Suggs injury) so it also makes sense from that perspective.

Sacramento is not a good partner for us. They would want to include Fox and that is a dealbreaker.

[Zeno]

This trade depends I guess on how you feel about Keon Johnson vs Malachi Flynn as prospects but how about Dragic and Flynn for Bledsoe, Keon, and the Clips 2nd. The 2nd and (upgrade to Keon as a prospect, if it is one) is compensation for Bledsoe guarantee for next year of 3.9 million. It could be stretched over 3 years @1.3 if you want. It also has the benefit of opening a tiny bit more wiggle room under the tax so we can use the 15th roster spot. Not sure if it is worth doing really.

[DangerZone13]

I very much like the idea of moving Pascal for a pair of young talents at the 1 and 5, but a couple of issues:

According the the forums, a Siakam package can't pull someone like Haliburton, but I assume the brass has some players like Precious that they see something in that may not be utilized on their current team. I just hope they can nab a couple of them in a Siakam deal, similar to the Rudy Gay trade.

I think Orlando would jump at the chance to get Pascal. They have been "rebuilding" for years. They have 2 Centres starting and had 2 pgs starting (before Suggs injury) so it also makes sense from that perspective.

Sacramento is not a good partner for us. They would want to include Fox and that is a dealbreaker.

I just threw Haliburton's name out because he's the kind of young guard I'd like to see us land, and as an example of young talent seen as not within Pascal's buying power.

I've said it before, but looking around the league, I'd like to see someone like Mo Bamba or Thomas Bryant at the starting 5, and conveniently, they're both FA this off-season. So ideally there isn't a move that takes on money next year, and one of these guys becomes a Raptor at the MLE.

If Siakam is moved, I'd hope at least $7M+ of his return is expiring fodder so there's room to go just above the MLE. I wouldn't want to see Birch moved until we had something in hand, but he+Flynn is the only other way to trim 22/23 payroll to afford just over MLE. (Essentially thinking a Holmes-like contract makes sense given talent+youth+question marks)

[NotMyKawhi]

I really believe trading pascal for future 1st round package, not on a harden level, but close. Load up on picks.

Would make MU look great in the future imo. He's alredy locked in long term. If we are good in 3 years and he has a bunch of future picks from other teams? He's gonna look really good. We are losing rn anyways.