PG- wiz play bench early

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Raps win, Del in hibernation, that's like two wins.

[C_Money]

Nice win. Reminded me of the good old days when we used to dominate teams at the ACC.

[Brinbe]

fake homestand win /s

[Reeko]

Got that page 5 real estate! Come get it while it's hot.

Solid win. Not sure what to make of this game. Pascal played great, as did a lot of the bench guys.

[Boogie!]

Some of these guys are just mad the team sucks and can't really blame them. When you get as high as the Raps did last several years, its hard to buy into a rebuild. Part of being a fan, can't see your team lose.

how can one not buy into a rebuild though. realistically what is this team's ceiling? it's first round fodder AT BEST. the people that think it's more are just too heavily invested in certain players.

That’s literally what we are doing right now. We are rebuilding. We are also the least experienced team in the entire league.

You don’t think it’s good for young teams to get a taste of the playoffs? You don’t think Barnes would benefit from getting some playoff experience?

Can you name me any players that won the championship in their first playoff appearance and not having experienced losing?

your line of questioning does not relate to each other...

do i think it's good for young teams to get a taste of the playoffs? sure, but it doesn't mean anything in terms of their development it's pointless, if half that team is gonna be gone by the time its stars mature, and if it costs them the ability to maybe get another core talented piece in the draft...

talent wins in the playoffs... it doesn't matter how young they are or if they have experience... if you're good, you're good... if scottie doesn't taste the playoffs any time soon, but we actually surround him with good pieces that make us a legit playoff team, then once he finally makes the playoffs he'll be fine... whatever arbitrary playoff experience won't make a difference imo. all that matters is talent. if you're good, you're good all the time...

michael jordan was on **** teams until the bulls drafted pippen and surrounded him with a good cast, and as soon as he made the playoffs, he was fine and dominant as ever... so playoff experience doesn't determine how good a team or player is gonna be in the playoffs. just being a good team with good overall talent is what matters.

and your final question doesn't prove anything. barely any teams win the championship AT ALL. that doesn't mean anything except their team wasn't good enough... also, teams and players change, so idk how you can make a static comparison from one team to the next, unless it's literally exactly the same roster that's going into the playoffs over and over again. the raptors kept making the playoffs over and over again, with essentially the same core, until they traded a key piece to that core for an actual superstar and voila... and then when derozan was traded his spurs never made the playoffs... so what does demar's playoff experience have to do with the raptors winning the championship? again, it's about talent period.

[Los_29]

Raps win, Del in hibernation, that's like two wins.

Two fake wins or real wins?

[YogurtProducer]

Did I say it didn’t count? Show me where I said that? I basically said what exactly happened out there

He had a great game overall which is good to see. But hopefully he can start putting full games together so he can get fully back to the level we know he’s capable of

You do know that there is nba another team he’s playing against right? They make adjustments and that usually frees up other guys to make plays.

It helped Boucher and Scottie get some looks. I think complaining about him not getting 40 isn’t the right thing tonight.

I don’t care about him not getting 40. That’s not the point. The point is starting a game 8/13 and then going 2/8, means the efficiency dropped significantly in the 2nd half. At the end he went 10/21 which is solid, but when you look at the split between halves it tells a more clear story

And again, I’m not saying Pascal had a bad game. He obviously had a very good game overall. All I’m saying is that it would be great if he could put together a full game of consistent basketball. He’s had many nights this season where he starts off well and then the efficiency just declines

He also went 3/4 at the line.

You’re getting upset because he missed shots he hit in the first half. He wasn’t going to shoot 62% all game. It evened out in the second half and he finished with a really solid line.

The expectations for the guy are out of control. A bucket in the first half counts just as much as one in the 2nd.

[Basketball_Jones]

Beat back to back playoff contenders were on the way up let’s goooooo

[RapsFanInVA]

I didn't watch the past two games. That could be the Raptors' secret to success.

[WuTang_OG]

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[GreatWhiteStiff]

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Those are fake stats!

Grumpy old man faded mumbling: lies damn lies and statistics: More grumpy old man inaudible mumbling.

[Basketball_Jones]

Bradley Beal finally has a reasonably deep team and he's shooting the worst TS% in his career. Go figure.

The Raptors played well overall. Good contribution by everyone on a night where the backcourt was off offensively.

He’s probably slowing down. His team is still not really good and will need him to dominate in order to win. Guys his size take a lot of energy to carry their team, especially purely through scoring rather then playmaking.

[Bruin]

People will take any tiny criticism and blow it into extreme proportions and act like I’m asking for Pascals head

And I’ve even repeatedly said he had a good game overall. It’s absolutely insane how some people are so allergic to even the slightest bit of criticism

You made a ridiculous assumption that a player has to be, or should be just as efficient in the first half as the second. Like variance and the defence he faces doesn't exist or change. Don't blame other people for your bad take and then keep entrenching in responses and expect otherwise.


On another note, pretending people are responding because someone else thinks the team sucks... well that's nuts.

I’m sorry what? When did I say this?

And yeah sure variance is totally reasonable, but this is a trend that’s been going on for a good part of the season now with pascal. Starts off efficient and then has a decline of efficiency. If you want to attribute that to variance, then idk what to say other than the fact this is consistence of being less efficient in the 2nd half. And if this is the case of defenses adjusting, then maybe Pascal just doesn’t have that much of a bag where he can still score against different types of defenses.

Plenty of other stars are held to a standard where if they’re scoring efficiently to start a game, but struggle to be efficient in the 2nd half, they get scrutinized. Maybe we shouldn’t set such expectations on Pascal to have the type of outlook and image as other stars across the league if he’s immune to any little bit of scrutiny solely because he had a good half. And I’ll repeat once again, it wasn’t an issue tonight because we had a comfortable lead but in tighter games against better competition, a drop in efficiency like that is not gonna be viewed as the same. Typically you’d want your star being in control and being efficient in the 2nd half to help carry a team to the finish line (which again wasn’t needed for tonight thankfully)

If I’m being critical of Pascal, it’s only because I actually believe he is capable of being even better. He was great overall tonight, but I know he can play as well as he did for a full game. I’m actually not someone who hates pascal like some people are basically trying to portray me as. He’s been one of my favorite players for years and I actually love him as a player. I’m a believer in him being able to get back to the dominant level of 2019 where he was all NBA 2nd team and that’s the only reason I’d like to hold to him a higher standard. I’m not gonna just excuse a guy from small scrutiny because he had a greatly efficient 1st half

If you or any of these other posters who felt like I’m being irrational happen to disagree with me, that’s fine. I’m gonna stick to my belief that Pascal can be even better than tonight. And again, he had a great overall performance and I’m not saying he was bad in any way (can’t believe I even have to stress this multiple times on this board). Im glad Pascal finds ways to help the team even when the shots stop falling

[GLF]

Y'all really need to start putting these people on your ignore list. I have so many people on that list and it's made my experience on this forum so much better.

[ItsDanger]

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Those are fake stats!

Grumpy old man faded mumbling: lies damn lies and statistics: More grumpy old man inaudible mumbling.

Heavily skewed by Sacramento game. Take last 7 games instead and % are quite different.

[vado]

People will take any tiny criticism and blow it into extreme proportions and act like I’m asking for Pascals head

And I’ve even repeatedly said he had a good game overall. It’s absolutely insane how some people are so allergic to even the slightest bit of criticism

You made a ridiculous assumption that a player has to be, or should be just as efficient in the first half as the second. Like variance and the defence he faces doesn't exist or change. Don't blame other people for your bad take and then keep entrenching in responses and expect otherwise.


On another note, pretending people are responding because someone else thinks the team sucks... well that's nuts.

I’m sorry what? When did I say this?

And yeah sure variance is totally reasonable, but this is a trend that’s been going on for a good part of the season now with pascal. Starts off efficient and then has a decline of efficiency. If you want to attribute that to variance, then idk what to say other than the fact this is consistence of being less efficient in the 2nd half. And if this is the case of defenses adjusting, then maybe Pascal just doesn’t have that much of a bag where he can still score against different types of defenses.

Plenty of other stars are held to a standard where if they’re scoring efficiently to start a game, but struggle to be efficient in the 2nd half, they get scrutinized. Maybe we shouldn’t set such expectations on Pascal to have the type of outlook and image as other stars across the league if he’s immune to any little bit of scrutiny solely because he had a good half. And I’ll repeat once again, it wasn’t an issue tonight because we had a comfortable lead but in tighter games against better competition, a drop in efficiency like that is not gonna be viewed as the same. Typically you’d want your star being in control and being efficient in the 2nd half to help carry a team to the finish line (which again wasn’t needed for tonight thankfully)

If I’m being critical of Pascal, it’s only because I actually believe he is capable of being even better. He was great overall tonight, but I know he can play as well as he did for a full game. I’m actually not someone who hates pascal like some people are basically trying to portray me as. He’s been one of my favorite players for years and I actually love him as a player. I’m a believer in him being able to get back to the dominant level of 2019 where he was all NBA 2nd team and that’s the only reason I’d like to hold to him a higher standard. I’m not gonna just excuse a guy from small scrutiny because he had a greatly efficient 1st half

If you or any of these other posters who felt like I’m being irrational happen to disagree with me, that’s fine. I’m gonna stick to my belief that Pascal can be even better than tonight. And again, he had a great overall performance and I’m not saying he was bad in any way (can’t believe I even have to stress this multiple times on this board). Im glad Pascal finds ways to help the team even when the shots stop falling

Wall of text. Did not read.

Anyways good win. Game wasn't as close as the score made it seem. Siakam and Barnes looked good. Getting Gafford in foul trouble was key

[Bruin]

You made a ridiculous assumption that a player has to be, or should be just as efficient in the first half as the second. Like variance and the defence he faces doesn't exist or change. Don't blame other people for your bad take and then keep entrenching in responses and expect otherwise.


On another note, pretending people are responding because someone else thinks the team sucks... well that's nuts.

I’m sorry what? When did I say this?

And yeah sure variance is totally reasonable, but this is a trend that’s been going on for a good part of the season now with pascal. Starts off efficient and then has a decline of efficiency. If you want to attribute that to variance, then idk what to say other than the fact this is consistence of being less efficient in the 2nd half. And if this is the case of defenses adjusting, then maybe Pascal just doesn’t have that much of a bag where he can still score against different types of defenses.

Plenty of other stars are held to a standard where if they’re scoring efficiently to start a game, but struggle to be efficient in the 2nd half, they get scrutinized. Maybe we shouldn’t set such expectations on Pascal to have the type of outlook and image as other stars across the league if he’s immune to any little bit of scrutiny solely because he had a good half. And I’ll repeat once again, it wasn’t an issue tonight because we had a comfortable lead but in tighter games against better competition, a drop in efficiency like that is not gonna be viewed as the same. Typically you’d want your star being in control and being efficient in the 2nd half to help carry a team to the finish line (which again wasn’t needed for tonight thankfully)

If I’m being critical of Pascal, it’s only because I actually believe he is capable of being even better. He was great overall tonight, but I know he can play as well as he did for a full game. I’m actually not someone who hates pascal like some people are basically trying to portray me as. He’s been one of my favorite players for years and I actually love him as a player. I’m a believer in him being able to get back to the dominant level of 2019 where he was all NBA 2nd team and that’s the only reason I’d like to hold to him a higher standard. I’m not gonna just excuse a guy from small scrutiny because he had a greatly efficient 1st half

If you or any of these other posters who felt like I’m being irrational happen to disagree with me, that’s fine. I’m gonna stick to my belief that Pascal can be even better than tonight. And again, he had a great overall performance and I’m not saying he was bad in any way (can’t believe I even have to stress this multiple times on this board). Im glad Pascal finds ways to help the team even when the shots stop falling

Wall of text. Did not read.

Anyways good win. Game wasn't as close as the score made it seem. Siakam and Barnes looked good. Getting Gafford in foul trouble was key

Ok cool? Wasn’t asking you to read. Wasn’t even directed at you lol. Tryna act witty lol

[will]

Raptors need a legit go-to closer. Badly.

[Bruin]

Raptors need a legit go-to closer. Badly.

For as much criticism that i, and others, have directed towards Fred, I gotta give him credit. he’s been really dependable in the clutch. Respect to him for that

[Los_29]

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Those are fake stats!

Grumpy old man faded mumbling: lies damn lies and statistics: More grumpy old man inaudible mumbling.

Heavily skewed by Sacramento game. Take last 7 games instead and % are quite different.

Ugh yeah that’s not how it works.

Can we take out his 2-14 game as well? Is that allowed or are we just taking out his best games?