[Wolfson] Toronto Raptors are a team to keep an eye on

[PhilBlackson]

Don't get your hopes up. Boucher and Dragic aren't going to bring you back anything significant.

Well depends how you define "significant" I guess...

I think maybe only a handful of homers exist that think they can net some form of a star lol but I think most people are reasonable and that really you never know what they might net. Extreme low end, yes it could be as simple as a salary swap attaching a 2nd rounder but that imo seems extremely pessimistic. That hasn't been the usual outcome for this front office.

Teams (like the TWolves) that are looking at guys like Boucher and Dragic are without doubt "win-now" teams which means they'll generally be willing either to part with a young player with some potential that they don't have the time to wait on (MIN wants to show Towns now before they starting getting to 2 years and under, that they're serious about winning now). They already brought in Beverly. They might decide they just need another veteran player to make more of a go of it and who knows maybe flip Okogie + McDaniels for Boucher. Boucher offers them bit more shot blocking, spacing and already knows his role. For us obviously we see how we can develop a kid like McDaniels who has a decent looking skillset to work with, maybe not?! I could very easily see us grooming Jaden to take Chris' role....and then some.

But something like that will likely be the play because we're not paying up to keep Boucher, rookie contracts (*ahem* GT Jr) give us more control and ofc Goran was always salary filler now it's just can they get anything back without having to take on much to do so. But I'm sure the ask will be a younger player with some potential, a late 1st or at worst early 2nd -- given their track record ie/ OG, Pascal etc who's to say it doesn't end up being a significant long term piece?! Heck we've gotten players like Norm, Banton and don't forget Jalen Harris out of those 2nd rd picks -- I'll take that over just losing the player over nothing. DAL is sitting at 6th with the Nuggets and Lakers behind them. How long do they think that will hold up?! What are they even getting out of Moses Brown or Josh Green?! At worst Goran is a vet to helps the lockerroom with Luka. If not, there's always bunch of cusp teams that are desperate to become or remain relevant ie/ NYK - maybe Knox/McBride, LAC - need to shed salary maybe Raps still love Keon Johnson but have to eat a year of Bledsoe's contract).

I would be shocked if they traded Mcdaniels for Boucher. That is a straight steal.

Yeah it's nothing crazy but I'd welcome any of those trades or something like it and it would just add to the excitement of what these younger guys can build up to become. Personally I'm more than good with that.

I would be shocked if they traded Mcdaniels for Boucher. That is a straight steal.

Like I said who knows?!

But we know the FO isn't trying to take a bunch of Ls lol they will seek out a team that is in it to win right now. Heck you got the Hornets, they need to shed salary before the re-up on Bridges, they have Kai Jones, Scottie Lewis -- both fit into the kinda players we like. Dame is starting to push POR more, are they going to re-up Simons with all that salary already committed?! I admit Simons might not be realistic but you never know how desperate team feels to win now OR just wants to shed some salary while helping IMPROVE their team in the short term but it happens every year. Raps just have to hope a package they like, I'm just saying I think most of us can agree that will be the likely goal and personally that is something to look forward to, so downplaying with "don't get your hopes up...nothing significant" to me just seems pessimistic because I don't see the FO making a move just for the sake of making one...if they do the move will hold some intrigue for this team in one form or the other.

[Basketball_Jones]

Hopefully a Boucher trade, he seems like such a T Wolves kind of player lol.

[C_Money]

Of course the random Minnesota guy has penetrated the cone of silence around the Raptor FO

that one random reporter leaked the that raptors were picking barnes a week before the draft. all of raptors biggest moves have leaked

Yeah I think it was Fischer who leaked our entire off-season moves before they happened. There is no cone of silence.

[TrustFundBaby]

Boucher last year: 14/7 with 2 blocks a game, 63% TS and a 3 BPM.

I absolutely can buy there are GMs out there who are interested and think Boucher is a prime "buy low" candidates.

Those numbers from last season can fetch value. As for Dragic, I expect 0

[Zeno]

Boucher last year: 14/7 with 2 blocks a game, 63% TS and a 3 BPM.

I absolutely can buy there are GMs out there who are interested and think Boucher is a prime "buy low" candidates.

Those numbers from last season can fetch value. As for Dragic, I expect 0

Finch was here when Boucher was on fire

[mowcrowbar]

I guess that's why we've been showcasing Booshay despite him playing like Booshay.

[gp2015]

Don't get your hopes up. Boucher and Dragic aren't going to bring you back anything significant.

Well depends how you define "significant" I guess...

I think maybe only a handful of homers exist that think they can net some form of a star lol but I think most people are reasonable and that really you never know what they might net. Extreme low end, yes it could be as simple as a salary swap attaching a 2nd rounder but that imo seems extremely pessimistic. That hasn't been the usual outcome for this front office.

Teams (like the TWolves) that are looking at guys like Boucher and Dragic are without doubt "win-now" teams which means they'll generally be willing either to part with a young player with some potential that they don't have the time to wait on (MIN wants to show Towns now before they starting getting to 2 years and under, that they're serious about winning now). They already brought in Beverly. They might decide they just need another veteran player to make more of a go of it and who knows maybe flip Okogie + McDaniels for Boucher. Boucher offers them bit more shot blocking, spacing and already knows his role. For us obviously we see how we can develop a kid like McDaniels who has a decent looking skillset to work with, maybe not?! I could very easily see us grooming Jaden to take Chris' role....and then some.

But something like that will likely be the play because we're not paying up to keep Boucher, rookie contracts (*ahem* GT Jr) give us more control and ofc Goran was always salary filler now it's just can they get anything back without having to take on much to do so. But I'm sure the ask will be a younger player with some potential, a late 1st or at worst early 2nd -- given their track record ie/ OG, Pascal etc who's to say it doesn't end up being a significant long term piece?! Heck we've gotten players like Norm, Banton and don't forget Jalen Harris out of those 2nd rd picks -- I'll take that over just losing the player over nothing. DAL is sitting at 6th with the Nuggets and Lakers behind them. How long do they think that will hold up?! What are they even getting out of Moses Brown or Josh Green?! At worst Goran is a vet to helps the lockerroom with Luka. If not, there's always bunch of cusp teams that are desperate to become or remain relevant ie/ NYK - maybe Knox/McBride, LAC - need to shed salary maybe Raps still love Keon Johnson but have to eat a year of Bledsoe's contract).

Yeah it's nothing crazy but I'd welcome any of those trades or something like it and it would just add to the excitement of what these younger guys can build up to become. Personally I'm more than good with that.

While I don't disagree with your premise that some teams might be in win-now mode and will be looking for a veteran presence, I don't necessarily think that's the type of player Boucher is.

He's not the type to show a young team how to win or have a calming presence etc. This season, he's run around like a chicken with his head cut off, jacked up a lot of bad shots, made a lot of bad decisions and generally looked completely lost. Ideally, you would want someone that is consistent, which he is not. He's also an unrestricted free agent so that will also lessen his value a bit.

I would agree with you if no one from their team has watched Boucher this season and only saw highlights of him from last season. Last season's version of Boucher might be worth something. This season, I'm not so sure.....

[Indeed]

I would be a bit surprised we don't wait after Jan 15 or near trade deadline, but maybe our players gained some values recently with more injuries.

But so far those are rumors where it seems people are looking for us to be a seller, which I am not sure from our management perspective, would we be a buyer instead.

[Johnny Bball]

What should happen with Dragic, who can play, is he goes for bad salary and pick(s). Boucher I'm not sure yet(he could go piece for piece - bench big for bench guard), but you put Boucher and Dragic together and I'm looking at someone like Cleveland with a year on Kevin Love to net draft picks.

Which is a reason you take Dragic's salary, because you can work above the cap and trade it for bad contracts, or anyone.

[mdenny]

we've heard over & again that Pascal is available. I think rehabbing his value is a top priority this season

obviously with the new core of players Pascal/FVV don't quite fit the timeline, and you have to think this team is headed to the lottery at least once more before we aim to be contenders

might make sense to blow it up now and get things fast tracked

at the same time I do think we're one star player away from being a true contender. you have to hand it to Masai, we're always in position to go move in any direction & let the market dictate what we do. other teams will be forced to make bad trades because they are in dire "win now" mode while other losing teams have nothing beyond their picks to offer to improve

Sorry bro but everyone keeps saying this. It is not obvious in any way that pascal and fred dont fit out timeline. Is it that ppl are trying to talk this into reality? They are 27. They have like 8 years left.

To my knowledge there is not a single public statement from our FO or coaches that confirm this and i havent heard a single comment at work or behind the scenes suggesting this. The ONLY place i have heard this is on this board.

[Tha Cynic]

If we can swap Turner + a guard for Siakam, I'd be ecstatic. It would completely balance out this roster

[alevirfe]

we've heard over & again that Pascal is available. I think rehabbing his value is a top priority this season

obviously with the new core of players Pascal/FVV don't quite fit the timeline, and you have to think this team is headed to the lottery at least once more before we aim to be contenders

might make sense to blow it up now and get things fast tracked

at the same time I do think we're one star player away from being a true contender. you have to hand it to Masai, we're always in position to go move in any direction & let the market dictate what we do. other teams will be forced to make bad trades because they are in dire "win now" mode while other losing teams have nothing beyond their picks to offer to improve

Sorry bro but everyone keeps saying this. It is not obvious in any way that pascal and fred dont fit out timeline. Is it that ppl are trying to talk this into reality? They are 27. They have like 8 years left.

To my knowledge there is not a single public statement from our FO or coaches that confirm this and i havent heard a single comment at work or behind the scenes suggesting this. The ONLY place i have heard this is on this board.

this team will need more talent to compete & Fred & Pascal win us too many games which takes away the draft as one place to source that talent. they are the ocal pieces of our offense, meaning our younger guys aren't handed "the keys" yet. they are both entering their primes, but not talented enough to carry our team to contention, so it might make sense to move on for players that both compliment Scottie/OG and also still developing

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Wolves are looking to make the playoffs. Someone like dragic would be beneficial to them. I can see a deal of taurean prince as a reclamation project plus a prospect/pick.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

I mean boucher has value to a win now contender...assuming he's playing well. If weere a team I might be willing to bet he could turn around his three point shot...I mean if i had to bet he probably hits 30% plus going forward. We got assets for terrence davis and Mr. 99% last year, so I don't see why not.

[gaoj2]

Boucher for towns and picks
Dragic for Eric Gordon

Towns , awchua
Siakam, BIRCH
OG, Barnes
Trend, Eric Gordon
Fred, Barton

[Reeko]

Boucher for towns and picks
Dragic for Eric Gordon

Towns , awchua
Siakam, BIRCH
OG, Barnes
Trend, Eric Gordon
Fred, Barton

Who are we trading to get Barton? He's a shooting guard last I checked, I don't think he can play the 1.

[TRik]

Don't get your hopes up. Boucher and Dragic aren't going to bring you back anything significant.

Well depends how you define "significant" I guess...

I think maybe only a handful of homers exist that think they can net some form of a star lol but I think most people are reasonable and that really you never know what they might net. Extreme low end, yes it could be as simple as a salary swap attaching a 2nd rounder but that imo seems extremely pessimistic. That hasn't been the usual outcome for this front office.

Teams (like the TWolves) that are looking at guys like Boucher and Dragic are without doubt "win-now" teams which means they'll generally be willing either to part with a young player with some potential that they don't have the time to wait on (MIN wants to show Towns now before they starting getting to 2 years and under, that they're serious about winning now). They already brought in Beverly. They might decide they just need another veteran player to make more of a go of it and who knows maybe flip Okogie + McDaniels for Boucher. Boucher offers them bit more shot blocking, spacing and already knows his role. For us obviously we see how we can develop a kid like McDaniels who has a decent looking skillset to work with, maybe not?! I could very easily see us grooming Jaden to take Chris' role....and then some.

But something like that will likely be the play because we're not paying up to keep Boucher, rookie contracts (*ahem* GT Jr) give us more control and ofc Goran was always salary filler now it's just can they get anything back without having to take on much to do so. But I'm sure the ask will be a younger player with some potential, a late 1st or at worst early 2nd -- given their track record ie/ OG, Pascal etc who's to say it doesn't end up being a significant long term piece?! Heck we've gotten players like Norm, Banton and don't forget Jalen Harris out of those 2nd rd picks -- I'll take that over just losing the player over nothing. DAL is sitting at 6th with the Nuggets and Lakers behind them. How long do they think that will hold up?! What are they even getting out of Moses Brown or Josh Green?! At worst Goran is a vet to helps the lockerroom with Luka. If not, there's always bunch of cusp teams that are desperate to become or remain relevant ie/ NYK - maybe Knox/McBride, LAC - need to shed salary maybe Raps still love Keon Johnson but have to eat a year of Bledsoe's contract).

Yeah it's nothing crazy but I'd welcome any of those trades or something like it and it would just add to the excitement of what these younger guys can build up to become. Personally I'm more than good with that.

I think the TWolves like McDaniels too much to trade for Dragic and/or Booshay

[TRik]

Also, I definitely can see viable information being leaked by other teams, so I don’t discredit the source.

[v1n5anity]

I’d be shocked if we stand pat. Not thrilled with the roster we have and hope Masai gets us an exciting player, especially a center.

[dkb965]

One guy to look at from the wolves would be Naz Reid. He's having a good season and he's a good stretch 5 who can guard as well.

Barely have watched him, but his stats are very similar to Boucher. Not sure why they would trade him or want Boucher

I have watched quite a few Wolves games this year and Reid is undersized but a physical player who plays hard. I would not mind trading for him.