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G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST

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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#381 » by MorbidHEAT » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:13 am

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MorbidHEAT wrote:I don't see how we can blame Spo. The problem is the front office. Spo doesn't construct the team. We have a team full of g-leaguers or players trying to prove themselves. Lowry and Duncan are struggling to their perspective levels.

I've seen enough from Yurt to understand he is not ready. Blowing assignments. He is out of position for rebounds. He got a few blocks because they literally went straight at him. If he is expected to be the savior while Bam is out, we are in trouble.

We've squeezed as much as we can out of everybody we have, but we have major personnel issues.


his lineups suck. why does he play so small? i agree the heat need more shooters and length but Spo could try different combinations


I don't understand...what other options does he have? What combination in our team would be effective without Bam?

Only one person could have combatted Stephen Adams tonight...Udonis like 8 years ago. Other than that, with Bam out we don't have much at that position. Dedmond is a backup.
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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#382 » by QUIZ » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:14 am

QUIZ wrote:Best case scenario we just need to find a way to be .500 without Bam. 1-3 so far and it looks like the next one is a loss too. Hopefully in the backend we can make some of these up to just okay damage control

To end the year we have a 8 game stretch of Orlando, Detroit, Indy, Detroit, Orlando, Washington, San Antonio, Houston.

8 very winnable games. We could obviously lose them too but at least we should have a fair shot. As opposed to the next couple which are looking like hot L’s
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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#383 » by MorbidHEAT » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:14 am

As a side note, I will agree that Bam is a 4. However, if you put Bam at the 4 and start Dedmond as a 5, we have even less depth off the bench.
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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#384 » by harlem_ball » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:15 am

OK, well I tried OPing as best I could tonight and tried replying to many comments but still got the loss. Good night fanbase.

I'll try a better effort on next OP.

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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#385 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:15 am

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MorbidHEAT wrote:I don't see how we can blame Spo. The problem is the front office. Spo doesn't construct the team. We have a team full of g-leaguers or players trying to prove themselves. Lowry and Duncan are struggling to their perspective levels.

I've seen enough from Yurt to understand he is not ready. Blowing assignments. He is out of position for rebounds. He got a few blocks because they literally went straight at him. If he is expected to be the savior while Bam is out, we are in trouble.

We've squeezed as much as we can out of everybody we have, but we have major personnel issues.


his lineups suck. why does he play so small? i agree the heat need more shooters and length but Spo could try different combinations


I don't understand...what other options does he have? What combination in our team would be effective without Bam?

Only one person could have combatted Stephen Adams tonight...Udonis like 8 years ago. Other than that, with Bam out we don't have much at that position. Dedmond is a backup.

Desperately need to sign big depth. Drop Garrett and sign Micah Potter or some other big doing well in the G league
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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#386 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:17 am

MorbidHEAT wrote:As a side note, I will agree that Bam is a 4. However, if you put Bam at the 4 and start Dedmond as a 5, we have even less depth off the bench.

Dedmon and Bam is not a good combo. Bam and Kieff work. Bam and Tucker are fine. Need another complimentary big to Bam.
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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#387 » by MorbidHEAT » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:17 am

We have 1 roster spot. I don't understand why we didn't go after Boogie Cousins or even Whiteside when they were available. Bodies down in the post are better than no bodies. Despite their personality issues, they could have helped at least.
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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#388 » by MorbidHEAT » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:19 am

:cry:
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MorbidHEAT wrote:As a side note, I will agree that Bam is a 4. However, if you put Bam at the 4 and start Dedmond as a 5, we have even less depth off the bench.

Dedmon and Bam is not a good combo. Bam and Kieff work. Bam and Tucker are fine. Need another complimentary big to Bam.


Agreed. Best for Bam would be a shooting big like Kieff or somebody like Meyers Leonard. Just space the floor so Bam can operate down there.
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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#389 » by harlem_ball » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:24 am

MorbidHEAT wrote:We have 1 roster spot. I don't understand why we didn't go after Boogie Cousins or even Whiteside when they were available. Bodies down in the post are better than no bodies. Despite their personality issues, they could have helped at least.


Yea Boogie looked good last night.
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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#390 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:25 am

MorbidHEAT wrote::cry:
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MorbidHEAT wrote:As a side note, I will agree that Bam is a 4. However, if you put Bam at the 4 and start Dedmond as a 5, we have even less depth off the bench.

Dedmon and Bam is not a good combo. Bam and Kieff work. Bam and Tucker are fine. Need another complimentary big to Bam.


Agreed. Best for Bam would be a shooting big like Kieff or somebody like Meyers Leonard. Just space the floor so Bam can operate down there.

Micah Potter might be a sleeper in that role. We need big depth in the worst way. Caleb Martin should be focusing on playing SF/SG not PF. Spo ruined Iguodala last year and Ariza with small ball 4. We really don’t need Garrett at this time.
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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#391 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:29 am

carnageta wrote:Just a reminder we were 13-7 and on pace for 50+ wins before the injury bug hit.

We made it to the 6th seed last year after starting 11-17. We'll be alright lol.


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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#392 » by carnageta » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:30 am

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MorbidHEAT wrote:As a side note, I will agree that Bam is a 4. However, if you put Bam at the 4 and start Dedmond as a 5, we have even less depth off the bench.

Dedmon and Bam is not a good combo. Bam and Kieff work. Bam and Tucker are fine. Need another complimentary big to Bam.


Solomon Hill was the ideal fit. We made the finals with him.
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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#393 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:37 am

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:
MorbidHEAT wrote:As a side note, I will agree that Bam is a 4. However, if you put Bam at the 4 and start Dedmond as a 5, we have even less depth off the bench.

Dedmon and Bam is not a good combo. Bam and Kieff work. Bam and Tucker are fine. Need another complimentary big to Bam.


Solomon Hill was the ideal fit. We made the finals with him.


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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#394 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:38 am

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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#395 » by harlem_ball » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:49 am

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harlem_ball wrote:
MorbidHEAT wrote:I don't see how we can blame Spo. The problem is the front office. Spo doesn't construct the team. We have a team full of g-leaguers or players trying to prove themselves. Lowry and Duncan are struggling to their perspective levels.

I've seen enough from Yurt to understand he is not ready. Blowing assignments. He is out of position for rebounds. He got a few blocks because they literally went straight at him. If he is expected to be the savior while Bam is out, we are in trouble.

We've squeezed as much as we can out of everybody we have, but we have major personnel issues.


his lineups suck. why does he play so small? i agree the heat need more shooters and length but Spo could try different combinations


I don't understand...what other options does he have? What combination in our team would be effective without Bam?

Only one person could have combatted Stephen Adams tonight...Udonis like 8 years ago. Other than that, with Bam out we don't have much at that position. Dedmond is a backup.


Oops just read this. I already posted the lineups i would play

Yurts
Dedmon
Tucker
Herro
Lowry

would be a tough lineup and give Herro the defensive backup to erase his mistakes. Also Yurts, Ded, Tuck and Lowry can all hit threes and could launch em as they got open.

Im telling you Spos system favors speed and shooting. We have the speed but we dont have the shooting so right now his program needs to be tweaked, rebooted, what have you.
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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#396 » by gom » Tue Dec 7, 2021 4:11 am

harlem_ball wrote:OK, well I tried OPing as best I could tonight and tried replying to many comments but still got the loss. Good night fanbase.

I'll try a better effort on next OP.

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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#397 » by Wiltside » Tue Dec 7, 2021 4:18 am

Woy. What a shambles.
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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#398 » by oreon » Tue Dec 7, 2021 4:27 am

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MorbidHEAT wrote:
harlem_ball wrote:
his lineups suck. why does he play so small? i agree the heat need more shooters and length but Spo could try different combinations


I don't understand...what other options does he have? What combination in our team would be effective without Bam?

Only one person could have combatted Stephen Adams tonight...Udonis like 8 years ago. Other than that, with Bam out we don't have much at that position. Dedmond is a backup.


Oops just read this. I already posted the lineups i would play

Yurts
Dedmon
Tucker
Herro
Lowry

would be a tough lineup and give Herro the defensive backup to erase his mistakes. Also Yurts, Ded, Tuck and Lowry can all hit threes and could launch em as they got open.

Im telling you Spos system favors speed and shooting. We have the speed but we dont have the shooting so right now his program needs to be tweaked, rebooted, what have you.


You're kidding right ? So play two slow footed centers together with PJ. Good luck scoring. On the other end, a team with shooters is going to do what Clips did to Gobert. Run a pick and roll with Dedmon at top, if Yurts comes to help just blow by him and if he doesn't you get an open mid range. Going big doesn't necessarily equal better defense. Mobility and speed is also important.
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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#399 » by TroubleS0me » Tue Dec 7, 2021 4:32 am

AirP. wrote:Is Robinson going to continue his bad play at home or is he turning things around?


he gotta go or if anything he gotta come off the bench
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Re: G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST 

Post#400 » by wade44 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:26 am

This team feels pretty irrelevant right now especially if Jimmy is out for any extended period

As far as Butler, there’s definitely some concern there going forward. So much of the guy’s game relies on elevating high and taking big spills a little like D Wade. I worry about his longevity by the time the playoffs begin and whether he will be healthy enough to have a major impact

If I had to guess we’ll be without Butler for at least the next 2-3 weeks because of the re-aggravation. Team has to show some resolve in that period. Where is the scoring going to come from with that starting unit? Dedmon and Tucker don’t provide hardly any. You start Herro and then your bench scoring suffers big time. Seems that the slow starts are leaving us behind the eight ball for the rest of the game

Also anyone know the deal with Strus? 0 shots in 6 minutes of play. Dude goes invisible at time when he’s on the court

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