James Wiseman 2021/2022

Upperclass · Post #301 » by **Upperclass** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 6:09 am

^ that was a 20+ point loss if Booker played. Suns were pulling away when he got hurt as well. Warriors weren't close to beating the Suns team that played last night imo with a hot Curry or not. Whenever they needed a stop or an easy basket, they got one. They didn't even spam the p n r like they usually do. Kerr held back as well but that was a subtle, respectable blow out.

SFrush · Post #302 » by **SFrush** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 6:17 am

Upperclass wrote:^ that was a 20+ point loss if Booker played. Suns were pulling away when he got hurt as well. Warriors weren't close to beating the Suns team that played last night imo with a hot Curry or not. Whenever they needed a stop or an easy basket, they got one. They didn't even spam the p n r like they usually do. Kerr held back as well but that was a subtle, respectable blow out.

Nice spin but that game was not the blowout you so badly wanted it to be.

cpower · Post #303 » by **cpower** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 3:47 pm

Upperclass wrote:^ that was a 20+ point loss if Booker played. Suns were pulling away when he got hurt as well. Warriors weren't close to beating the Suns team that played last night imo with a hot Curry or not. Whenever they needed a stop or an easy basket, they got one. They didn't even spam the p n r like they usually do. Kerr held back as well but that was a subtle, respectable blow out.

and how many point loss from Curry and Wiggins combined?

and1GS · Post #304 » by **and1GS** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:02 pm

SFrush wrote:
Upperclass wrote:^ that was a 20+ point loss if Booker played. Suns were pulling away when he got hurt as well. Warriors weren't close to beating the Suns team that played last night imo with a hot Curry or not. Whenever they needed a stop or an easy basket, they got one. They didn't even spam the p n r like they usually do. Kerr held back as well but that was a subtle, respectable blow out.

Nice spin but that game was not the blowout you so badly wanted it to be.

We were actually playing better with Booker in. I think that's more a commentary on kerr's inability to adapt on the fly sometimes. He built a Booker/Paul gameplan while trying to neutralize Ayton by bringing him away from the hoop. He didn't adjust and here's where we are.

Post #305 » by **FNQ** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:38 pm

Upperclass wrote:^ that was a 20+ point loss if Booker played. Suns were pulling away when he got hurt as well. Warriors weren't close to beating the Suns team that played last night imo with a hot Curry or not. Whenever they needed a stop or an easy basket, they got one. They didn't even spam the p n r like they usually do. Kerr held back as well but that was a subtle, respectable blow out.

We were up 48-43 when Booker got hurt

Sometimes its better to stay silent

SinceGatlingWasARookie · Post #306 » by **SinceGatlingWasARookie** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 6:26 pm

Upperclass wrote:^ that was a 20+ point loss if Booker played. Suns were pulling away when he got hurt as well. Warriors weren't close to beating the Suns team that played last night imo with a hot Curry or not. Whenever they needed a stop or an easy basket, they got one. They didn't even spam the p n r like they usually do. Kerr held back as well but that was a subtle, respectable blow out.

Suns wanted it more. Warriors will want the next game more. Curry will drop 30 on the Suns. Who has the better team?
That's what the Western conference finals are for.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #307 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Fri Dec 3, 2021 6:31 pm

Just listened to the lowe pod and they talked about what changed with ayton.

Ayton believed in his size and just played big, not strong, but big. He spreads his arms and impairs vision when guarding space, thne just puts his arms up when in the paint. Then i thought i watched loon, and he does the same thing. Wiggs does that now with his arms out and in a crouch position. Just impair vision.

Kat rarely did these things when he was younger because he would have happy feet, jump at fakes, and chase the block. Thats wiseman now. If he can just learn to play big, he has an important role to play this year.

and1GS · Post #308 » by **and1GS** » Fri Dec 3, 2021 11:10 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Just listened to the lowe pod and they talked about what changed with ayton.

Ayton believed in his size and just played big, not strong, but big. He spreads his arms and impairs vision when guarding space, thne just puts his arms up when in the paint. Then i thought i watched loon, and he does the same thing. Wiggs does that now with his arms out and in a crouch position. Just impair vision.

Kat rarely did these things when he was younger because he would have happy feet, jump at fakes, and chase the block. Thats wiseman now. If he can just learn to play big, he has an important role to play this year.

Great point and I think it's teaching moment #1 for young bigs. They're used to getting sick blocks where they sky and bang the ball into the stands - Dwight did it a lot when he first got into the NBA. In the NBA as a big, you're going to block a lot of driving or posts shots with a quick hop or at a stand still. And it's very rare you should be leaving your feet against a jumpshooter when you're 6'10"+. The name of the game then is to impair vision. Ayton, to his credit, was very smart in his development and made that part of his game. As you noted, it is literally Loon's entire defensive game. We saw Wiseman start to do it a bit, then I don't know what happened. Started being so terrified about fouling that he would over think jumping + where to put his hands, then forget to move his feet.

Smart players make the adjustment. Others, like Deandre Jordan or Andre Drummond, aren't as smart and become less and less effective per 36 at contesting shots (though he is surprisingly back to normal on the blocks front this year) once they can't rely on quick twitch muscles + vertical ability.

cdubbz · Post #309 » by **cdubbz** » Sat Dec 4, 2021 2:39 am

As much of a James Wiseman flip flipper that I am…I can’t wait to see him back on the court. I’m curious to see how he looks (like everyone is) and what he has in his bag.

Upperclass · Post #310 » by **Upperclass** » Sat Dec 4, 2021 5:01 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Just listened to the lowe pod and they talked about what changed with ayton.

Ayton believed in his size and just played big, not strong, but big. He spreads his arms and impairs vision when guarding space, thne just puts his arms up when in the paint. Then i thought i watched loon, and he does the same thing. Wiggs does that now with his arms out and in a crouch position. Just impair vision.

Kat rarely did these things when he was younger because he would have happy feet, jump at fakes, and chase the block. Thats wiseman now. If he can just learn to play big, he has an important role to play this year.

Ayton plays like a big man.. Kat doesn't like contact and plays like a SF. When he went against Capela in 2017 or so in the playoffs.. Capela destroyed him on D.. no matter what the stats say

SinceGatlingWasARookie · Post #311 » by **SinceGatlingWasARookie** » Sun Dec 5, 2021 12:36 am

Too bad we can't know in advance what Wiseman will become. If we knew Wiseman was a bust we could go out and get a big man to have a complete team for our playoff run. But there is still a chance tha Wiseman is a future Hall of Famer

SinceGatlingWasARookie · Post #312 » by **SinceGatlingWasARookie** » Sun Dec 5, 2021 12:58 am

A video to make you remember why we drafted Wiseman

Watch on YouTube

Nvnervous45 · Post #313 » by **Nvnervous45** » Sun Dec 5, 2021 6:09 am

That spin move though!!! Fire!

ILOVEIT · Post #314 » by **ILOVEIT** » Sun Dec 5, 2021 6:34 am

Can't wait

Warriors seem to be running out of gas trying to play smaller every night.

DAWill1128 · Post #315 » by **DAWill1128** » Sun Dec 5, 2021 5:21 pm

Imo and what I was saying last year is Wiseman is skilled and athletic, but he was getting pushed off his spot offensively and defensively.

The big man spot is different than coming in as a guard, physicality plays a much bigger role at center.

Wiseman of course has elite length, leaping ability, speed at his position. He's got a good jump shot, handle, and post moves for a center.

But all year I felt like when going up for rebounds he would get pushed out of the play. When guys attacked the hoop he could get pushed into, or not muscle his way into a contesting position.

On offense he couldn't get deep enough positioning on post ups. When he did post up or try and attack with the dribble he would get pushed off his shooting release.

A lot of big guys had to put on muscle to elevate the game they have. Jordan was ultra athletic and needed a couple years in the weight room. Whiteside couldn't get playing time until he hit the weight room. Guys like Dwight, Aldridge, Bosh, Garnett all played a smaller position until they got stronger. Dwight came in as a power forward because they were worried about physicality. Giannis even elevated his game massively because he attacks the hoop so much he needed to be able to finish strong.

I am just hoping we spent time improving his diet and strength training. If he comes in 10-15 pounds stronger he will be a better player regardless of how much he improved his bball IQ or jump shot.

HiRez · Post #316 » by **HiRez** » Sun Dec 5, 2021 6:37 pm

I just hope in the short term they keep him focused on what you see in the video on offense. What you didn't see there was all the missed 15'+ iso jumpers, fumbled passes, and turnovers trying to dribble unnecessarily. He took 36% of his shots outside of 10 feet last year, shooting a low % on them, I'd like to see that cut in half. Rolling to the hoop and dunking, Wiseman's a beast. Really just needs to work on his defensive awareness and boxing out on rebounds to be useful, and stay away from ill-advised shots. As for fumbling passes it's very possible, even probable, it's just a speed of the game and overthinking thing instead of bad hands but the jury's still out.

But Wiseman was the guy I wanted to pick and I'm still high on him, hopefully he's been studying a lot of video while rehabbing.

and1GS · Post #317 » by **and1GS** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 6:11 pm

Looking forward to the Wiseman/Poole 2-man game in the second unit. Really think that can be lethal and good for both of them long term. They are both best in a PnR and are great at finishing near the rim.

Samurai · Post #318 » by **Samurai** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 6:47 am

and1GS wrote:Looking forward to the Wiseman/Poole 2-man game in the second unit. Really think that can be lethal and good for both of them long term. They are both best in a PnR and are great at finishing near the rim.

Unfortunately we may not find out until 2022.

watch1958 · Post #319 » by **watch1958** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 10:43 am

I’m betting end of January. That gives them a solid 4 weeks of adjusting to Klay before they deal with Wiseman.

Also, that’s 4 months of skills work & game prep. Equivalent to a healthy Summer & training camp.

My hope is that this season he will be like a talented, well prepared rookie.

Mac1958 · Post #320 » by **Mac1958** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 10:56 am

Samurai wrote:
and1GS wrote:Looking forward to the Wiseman/Poole 2-man game in the second unit. Really think that can be lethal and good for both of them long term. They are both best in a PnR and are great at finishing near the rim.

Unfortunately we may not find out until 2022.

Yeah, I'd like to see the kid have one (1) full off season, one (1) full training camp, one (1) full preseason, and one (1) full regular season.

He's barely been on the floor, relatively speaking. I don't think we really know what we have, and I'd love to see him prove the doubters (and those who want to trade him already) wrong.