Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons

[Tomjas]

Sixers are are a play in team cause they have the most missed games due to Covid. It’s simple as that.

Cj doesn’t move the needle.

Only reason Portland wants to trade cj is cause they have overlap of another small scoring guard in Powell to fill the CJ slot

Sixers are in desperate need of a true point guard. Cj isn’t that. And he barely plays defense. So Portland keeps Powell who plays better defense and probably do 90% of what cj does on offense. And get all world 1-4 defender/rebounder plus another primary ball handler in Simmons they desperately need.

Think who’s team is really benefiting the team.

The trade that makes the most sense for sixers is Tobias Harris for CJ trade. But Portland fans will be up in arms on that trade.

What do the Sixers get in the trade then?

Are you REALLY trying to argue that adding McCollum, one of Nance/Covington and a 1st rounder for someone who REFUSES TO PLAY FOR YOU, is not benefitting you? I'm sorry, but are you fu**ing high???

See the writing on the wall my man! Simmons ain't coming back, the best time to trade him is long gone. Who are you thinking is gonna come thats better??? You sound delusional!

Simmons can rot at home without pay. It’s as simple as that.

You don’t let players with long term max contracts dictate their own terms for their refusal to participate. Players may get away with this behavior with 1 year left or 2. Not with 4 years left.

In my opinion. When Simmons money situation starts to get tight. Guy spends a ton of money. He will break and forced to show up.

This CJ trade offer will always be on the table. So why the rush?

Portland is also wasting lillard prime. So who is the more desperate team? They aren’t gonna to go anywhere in playoffs either. So the line in the sand is drawn.

Only way I see any type of trade being done is if embiid goes down with season ending injury. Than Simmons will be traded. Cause embiid situation is the one who moves the sixers needle. Not adding CJ and subtracting Simmons.

Simmons is being paid so ….

[DAWill1128]

The 76ers are 19th in points per game, they simply don't score enough. If the option is no Ben or a 20ppg guy who can shoot, pass, and handle the ball then yeah make a deal. Why let your players and fan base suffer? If you want picks you can always deal McCollum later for them.

For the Blazers it's simple, they put up points but haven't been good enough defensively. Neither guard is very good on defense so it limits what they can do as a unit. Jerry West felt Curry-Ellis would lead to the same scenario.

Blazers 2021-2022
25th defense opponents points
29th opponent fg%

Blazers 2020-2021
2020-2021 23rd defense opponents points
25th opponent fg%

Blazers 2019-2020
26th defense opponents points
11th opponent fg%

Simmons replacing CJ would improve them massively on defense. Ben is big, can defend all five slots, great defender in transition, great on the boards. It would change the whole dynamic going from a small scoring guard team to a big defensive team. I think this unit would be pretty tough on defense.

C Nurkic
PF Simmons
SF Covington
SG Powell
PG Lillard

[GeorgeMarcus]

The 76ers are 19th in points per game, they simply don't score enough. If the option is no Ben or a 20ppg guy who can shoot, pass, and handle the ball then yeah make a deal. Why let your players and fan base suffer? If you want picks you can always deal McCollum later for them.

For the Blazers it's simple, they put up points but haven't been good enough defensively. Neither guard is very good on defense so it limits what they can do as a unit. Jerry West felt Curry-Ellis would lead to the same scenario.

Blazers 2021-2022
25th defense opponents points
29th opponent fg%

Blazers 2020-2021
2020-2021 23rd defense opponents points
25th opponent fg%

Blazers 2019-2020
26th defense opponents points
11th opponent fg%

Simmons replacing CJ would improve them massively on defense. Ben is big, can defend all five slots, great defender in transition, great on the boards. It would change the whole dynamic going from a small scoring guard team to a big defensive team. I think this unit would be pretty tough on defense.

C Nurkic
PF Simmons
SF Covington
SG Powell
PG Lillard

We're tied with the Suns for 7th in ORtg and IIRC we were higher than that before Embiid's 10-game Covid absence. I like McCollum but the premise of McCollum+ for Simmons depends a lot on what the + is. In theory it's probably not far off the + in a Simmons+ for Dame deal.

[kuclas]

The 76ers are 19th in points per game, they simply don't score enough. If the option is no Ben or a 20ppg guy who can shoot, pass, and handle the ball then yeah make a deal. Why let your players and fan base suffer? If you want picks you can always deal McCollum later for them.

For the Blazers it's simple, they put up points but haven't been good enough defensively. Neither guard is very good on defense so it limits what they can do as a unit. Jerry West felt Curry-Ellis would lead to the same scenario.

Blazers 2021-2022
25th defense opponents points
29th opponent fg%

Blazers 2020-2021
2020-2021 23rd defense opponents points
25th opponent fg%

Blazers 2019-2020
26th defense opponents points
11th opponent fg%

Simmons replacing CJ would improve them massively on defense. Ben is big, can defend all five slots, great defender in transition, great on the boards. It would change the whole dynamic going from a small scoring guard team to a big defensive team. I think this unit would be pretty tough on defense.

C Nurkic
PF Simmons
SF Covington
SG Powell
PG Lillard

We're tied with the Suns for 7th in ORtg and IIRC we were higher than that before Embiid's 10-game Covid absence. I like McCollum but the premise of McCollum+ for Simmons depends a lot on what the + is. In theory it's probably not far off the + in a Simmons+ for Dame deal.

I know. People try to look off the 76er missing the most games due to Covid. They had embiid plus Harris plus thybulle (plus joe) missing multiple games after their 8-2 start. Their record at worst would be right up there with the nets or bucks. So their offensive/defensive rating stats are all screwed up due to the games missed.

[Ugly0598]

Benjamin Simmons. Lol

[axeman23]

Ben for CJ seems fair. Philly needs to just get past this and get someone who can help Embiid

Philly:

[Rastas]

Even if a trade was now I feel Philly has dug themselves a nasty deep grave to lie in.
The longer they put off a trade the longer to crawl out of it.
Whole leagues watching and remembering.

[robbie84]

Hey Dame, bring yo ass over to Philly and convince Ben to stay. Imagine Ben + Dame + Embiid on the same team

Portland, we shall gift you Tobias + Thybulle + Shake + picks and you will say thank you very much.

Hard because Embid clogs up the paint so much.
Gotta leave him out on perimeter all game which kills his rhythm and teams would push ball so hard to get down court before he gets there.
Dude's a double edged sword.

[KGtabake]

Hey Dame, bring yo ass over to Philly and convince Ben to stay. Imagine Ben + Dame + Embiid on the same team

Portland, we shall gift you Tobias + Thybulle + Shake + picks and you will say thank you very much.

Doubt you'd get Lillard without moving Maxey... also have you been living under a rock? Simmons is not going back there.

Then the Sixers will keep Simmons for 4 years, as Morey has said, and Simmons will keep losing money. No problemo.

Simmons and Maxey for Lillard is doable, maybe.

But Simmons leaving the Sixers without Dame in return? Highly unlikely, unless the other team is fleeced of its first round picks and pick swaps for the next 3-5 years. We ain't desperate and are patient folk

No problemo, in having invested 30mil of your cap per season to a guy that doesn't even suit up? For the next 4 seasons?
Do you wanna tell Embiid that?

Also, you don't get Lillard for Simmons. Lillard is a borderline top10 player. Simmons isn't anywhere close to that.
You will get McCollum, some picks and a good youngster, you will say thank you very much, you will improve as a team, Embiid will relax and Portland will be better as well.
Everybody happy and life will go on.

[kuclas]

Even if a trade was now I feel Philly has dug themselves a nasty deep grave to lie in.
The longer they put off a trade the longer to crawl out of it.
Whole leagues watching and remembering.

It’s a catch-22. They want Simmons for low ball price

But the overall league GM/owners really do not want Simmons and klutch to win this. You don’t want players forcing the issue demanding to be traded with 4 years left.

Might as well make contracts like nfl where only 1-2 years are guarantee if nba players want to move around.

[kuclas]

Doubt you'd get Lillard without moving Maxey... also have you been living under a rock? Simmons is not going back there.

Then the Sixers will keep Simmons for 4 years, as Morey has said, and Simmons will keep losing money. No problemo.

Simmons and Maxey for Lillard is doable, maybe.

But Simmons leaving the Sixers without Dame in return? Highly unlikely, unless the other team is fleeced of its first round picks and pick swaps for the next 3-5 years. We ain't desperate and are patient folk

No problemo, in having invested 30mil of your cap per season to a guy that doesn't even suit up? For the next 4 seasons?
Do you wanna tell Embiid that?

Also, you don't get Lillard for Simmons. Lillard is a borderline top10 player. Simmons isn't anywhere close to that.
You will get McCollum, some picks and a good youngster, you will say thank you very much, you will improve as a team, Embiid will relax and Portland will be better as well.
Everybody happy and life will go on.

They don’t want cj. It will have to be cj plus Powell plus picks for starters.

Cj doesn’t move the needle

Simmons can sit at home for next 4 years and not get paid That’s fine. He can’t make up the mental illness forever. Or take retirement buyout with insurance company like Chris Bosh So Simmons still will get paid. He just will never playe basketball again if he keeps claiming mental illness

[Nonstop]

Cj doesn’t move the needle

Yeah probably not for you but the supposed deal that Portland turned down was literally just CJ and picks/swaps

[kuclas]

Cj doesn’t move the needle

Yeah probably not for you but the supposed deal that Portland turned down was literally just CJ and picks/swaps

So Portland can keep cj and his bloated contract also.

[ProcessDoctor]

The 76ers are 19th in points per game, they simply don't score enough. If the option is no Ben or a 20ppg guy who can shoot, pass, and handle the ball then yeah make a deal. Why let your players and fan base suffer? If you want picks you can always deal McCollum later for them.

For the Blazers it's simple, they put up points but haven't been good enough defensively. Neither guard is very good on defense so it limits what they can do as a unit. Jerry West felt Curry-Ellis would lead to the same scenario.

Blazers 2021-2022
25th defense opponents points
29th opponent fg%

Blazers 2020-2021
2020-2021 23rd defense opponents points
25th opponent fg%

Blazers 2019-2020
26th defense opponents points
11th opponent fg%

Simmons replacing CJ would improve them massively on defense. Ben is big, can defend all five slots, great defender in transition, great on the boards. It would change the whole dynamic going from a small scoring guard team to a big defensive team. I think this unit would be pretty tough on defense.

C Nurkic
PF Simmons
SF Covington
SG Powell
PG Lillard

We're tied with the Suns for 7th in ORtg and IIRC we were higher than that before Embiid's 10-game Covid absence. I like McCollum but the premise of McCollum+ for Simmons depends a lot on what the + is. In theory it's probably not far off the + in a Simmons+ for Dame deal.

Correct, we had the #1 ORTG before Embiid left with COVID.

[Pointgod]

Why does Portland bail out Morey by trading Lillard to the Sixers? Morey created this mess and Sixers fans think they’re getting a top 10 player for Simmons? Simmons is not playing. His value is only getting worse. In normal circumstances the Sixers would have to give up Simmons, Maxey and a couple picks for Dame. In the circumstances where Simmons has asked for a trade an hasn’t played in months? It would take Simmons, Maxey, 3 first round picks and 3 pick swaps to get Lillard. The Sixers won’t be the only teams that are interested if Portland is serious in moving Dame.

[michaelm]

Even if a trade was now I feel Philly has dug themselves a nasty deep grave to lie in.
The longer they put off a trade the longer to crawl out of it.
Whole leagues watching and remembering.

It’s a catch-22. They want Simmons for low ball price

But the overall league GM/owners really do not want Simmons and klutch to win this. You don’t want players forcing the issue demanding to be traded with 4 years left.

Might as well make contracts like nfl where only 1-2 years are guarantee if nba players want to move around.

Sure, Simmons is not good enough for anyone to break ranks if a compact exists.

On the other hand Simmons clearly can’t have any part in the Sixers’ long term plans now as a continuing player and Morey is playing games as well. Maybe he has a brilliant strategy, but I doubt leaving a large amount of cap space tied up in Simmons for 4 years is such a strategy.

[Wilfried]

Why does Portland bail out Morey by trading Lillard to the Sixers? Morey created this mess and Sixers fans think they’re getting a top 10 player for Simmons? Simmons is not playing. His value is only getting worse. In normal circumstances the Sixers would have to give up Simmons, Maxey and a couple picks for Dame. In the circumstances where Simmons has asked for a trade an hasn’t played in months? It would take Simmons, Maxey, 3 first round picks and 3 pick swaps to get Lillard. The Sixers won’t be the only teams that are interested if Portland is serious in moving Dame.

Of all the players and coaches on this team, which one is a draft/trade/signing by Morey?
And if you have the answer, on what part do you judge that Morey created this 'mess'?

Did he force Simmons to never develop his shooting?

Simmons' value is not getting worse, his contract is getting shorter every day.

And while the season progresses, GM's are getting more and more desperate to make a move to improve (Portland, Boston, Washington, Minnesota, Sacramento, Dallas, Lakers(?), ...)

Morey is doing a great job

[Chandan]

Shouldn’t we be applauding Dame for wanting to stay and make his team better?

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
most everyone wants to make their team better.

[ProcessDoctor]

Why does Portland bail out Morey by trading Lillard to the Sixers? Morey created this mess and Sixers fans think they’re getting a top 10 player for Simmons? Simmons is not playing. His value is only getting worse. In normal circumstances the Sixers would have to give up Simmons, Maxey and a couple picks for Dame. In the circumstances where Simmons has asked for a trade an hasn’t played in months? It would take Simmons, Maxey, 3 first round picks and 3 pick swaps to get Lillard. The Sixers won’t be the only teams that are interested if Portland is serious in moving Dame.

LOL which team would Philly be bidding against with that offer?

[PD28]

In other words, Dame asks FO to trade away CJ lol