2021-2022 Regular Season Game 25: Orlando Magic (5-19) at Golden State Warriors (19-4) - 12/6/21 - 10pm ET

[Bensational]

Pretty wild that Golden State has lottery picks at the end of their bench while we are starving for just competent talent.

Pretty wild that they used 3 lottery picks and only have one rotation player to show for it so far. It’s not like they’re stacked with talent other than the cheap veterans they added in the off-season.

Imagine if they’d drafted Ball or Haliburton instead of Wiseman? Or Wagner over Kuminga? All would fit their team and probably be playing right now instead of sitting on the end of the bench.

Curry/Poole
Ball/Moody
Wiggins/Franz
Green/Porter
Looney/Bjelica

Pretty tidy…

[drsd]

The Magic lost the TO battle badly, here going a net +7 for the game.

If Orlando is going to improve from being horrible to being just bad, this is the very first stat to work on.

[drsd]

GSW shot 20-40 from 3

And 8 was from Andrew Wiggins

Mr. Wiggins only made one 2-point shot.


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[pepe1991]

Pretty wild that Golden State has lottery picks at the end of their bench while we are starving for just competent talent.

Pretty wild that they used 3 lottery picks and only have one rotation player to show for it so far. It’s not like they’re stacked with talent other than the cheap veterans they added in the off-season.

Imagine if they’d drafted Ball or Haliburton instead of Wiseman? Or Wagner over Kuminga? All would fit their team and probably be playing right now instead of sitting on the end of the bench.

Curry/Poole
Ball/Moody
Wiggins/Franz
Green/Porter
Looney/Bjelica

Pretty tidy…

They don't care tho.
20-4 is best record in nba and their second best player is yet to return.
They sit on army of assets and now are officially "big market" team where everybody wants to play.

Before season ends it's almost expected that one blockbuster trade goes through Okland. And even if they did draft Franz or Lamelo or Haliburton, non of them would have bigger role today.

Simmons, Siakam, Towns, Sabonis, Turner, Valančiūnas, SGA, hell Ingram seems to be angry on Zion so there is another possiblity.
Let's face it, Bucks don't seem to be that good this year, West looks to be wide open, they have objective chance to reforge fact they are best team in nba today AND add another star player.

On top of that, Klay is returning. 60% of former Klay is better than 80% of nba.

[Orl_Magic]

Nice we are one step closer to Jaden Ivey

[drsd]

After watching the postgame interview, it is interesting seeing what "Angry Mosely" looks like. How many time did he say, and the players will now look at film. In other words, he feels the Magic players failed to perform the game plan.

[The Real Dalic]

Easily the worst game in Cole's career tonight. He was pretty much useless out there. Hampton played a much better game and probably should've gotten more of Cole's minutes.

Franz didn't shoot that well but I'm always impressed that you can see him being a positive contributor even when he's not scoring.

[LDNMagic90]

Didn't watch because I have work early in the morning and watching a game at 3am GMT is not the one for me right now. I'll look at the condensed game when i get a chance.

Looks like Cole was awful this game and GSW completely smoked us from 3.

I've seen a few comments around that Mosley was pissed during and after the game? At some point he's going to have to bollock them when they have games like this. I'm not saying he needs to go full 'Skiles/Clifford' on them but every coach especially coaches that have young rosters at points need to lay the law down for the players to buy in to the plan.

[Skybox]

I do think Kuminga's going to benefit significantly in the long-term from being on a great team.

If he was on Orlando or Oklahoma City he'd have like a near 30 usage and would be developing some wildly bad habits right now IMO.

Many people have that perspective but I disagree. I feel like guys develop by playing and making mistakes. I remember Kobe throwing up some terrible shots when he was with the Lakers. While they are winning, I personally think that GSW are wasting Kuminga's and Moody's time right now.

I think there is tremendous benefit, particularly to a guy like Kuminga, to see what winning basketball looks like for a couple of years. He's still so raw and green and played for a glorified AAU team in the G-League. The Warriors bench is the best hoops finishing school in the world...they're so good that he should still get plenty of garbage time as they start managing time for a long playoff run. I don't disagree that these guys need to play to be able to play, but GSW and Kerr and Green are the best examples they could get.

[Skybox]

Pretty wild that Golden State has lottery picks at the end of their bench while we are starving for just competent talent.

Pretty wild that they used 3 lottery picks and only have one rotation player to show for it so far. It’s not like they’re stacked with talent other than the cheap veterans they added in the off-season.

Imagine if they’d drafted Ball or Haliburton instead of Wiseman? Or Wagner over Kuminga? All would fit their team and probably be playing right now instead of sitting on the end of the bench.

Curry/Poole
Ball/Moody
Wiggins/Franz
Green/Porter
Looney/Bjelica

Pretty tidy…

They don't care tho.
20-4 is best record in nba and their second best player is yet to return.
They sit on army of assets and now are officially "big market" team where everybody wants to play.

Before season ends it's almost expected that one blockbuster trade goes through Okland. And even if they did draft Franz or Lamelo or Haliburton, non of them would have bigger role today.

Simmons, Siakam, Towns, Sabonis, Turner, Valančiūnas, SGA, hell Ingram seems to be angry on Zion so there is another possiblity.
Let's face it, Bucks don't seem to be that good this year, West looks to be wide open, they have objective chance to reforge fact they are best team in nba today AND add another star player.

I would add that those "cheap veterans" wouldn't have been minimum deal guys if they chose a different team. They're ring-chasing and sacrificing to do it. No chance Otto Porter would have stayed in ORL for double what he's getting. Same with Iggy, etc.

On top of that, Klay is returning. 60% of former Klay is better than 80% of nba.

[zaymon]

Most turnovers done by our golden boys. Bamba, Anthony, Hampton, Ross.

I just wait until Wagner takes even more ball handling duties.

[Skybox]

Imagine being THAT good and having Klay Thompson, Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody just percolating on the bench? Awesome program.

[Knightro]

I questioned whether it made sense for the Warriors to cash in those lotto assets for another star and it seems like they don't even need to do that.

They can compete for the title without any of these lotto picks playing a key role and still bring all of them along slowly at their own pace.

Pretty good spot to be in.

[basketballRob]

Cole is the worst passing PG in the league. He does those one-handed flings that usually get picked off. He can't make the fundamental two-handed passes. I'd bench him every time I saw him do that.

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[Magic_Kingdom]

What is the Magic record for most losses by 20+ points in a season? Have they already broken it? I don't recall a team that was out of games in the first half as much as this one.

[pepe1991]

Most turnovers done by our golden boys. Bamba, Anthony, Hampton, Ross.

I just wait until Wagner takes even more ball handling duties.

I mean it's Mo Bamba. What's suprising? Non Magic fans and portion of Magic fans know he is Thon Maker's twin brother for 3 years. "Potential" wrapped into 7 foot shooting guard who can't shoot.

[The Real Dalic]

I think Franz Wagner has surpassed everyone for best player on this team. At least the best of all the healthy players.

He's just too good, too consistently. Cole is absolutely the best scorer right now. But Franz just does everything so damn well.

He's becoming a true 2-way all-around player.

It feels like only Suggs, Fultz, and Isaac have the opportunity to be better.

[Rainwater]

I do think Kuminga's going to benefit significantly in the long-term from being on a great team.

If he was on Orlando or Oklahoma City he'd have like a near 30 usage and would be developing some wildly bad habits right now IMO.

Many people have that perspective but I disagree. I feel like guys develop by playing and making mistakes. I remember Kobe throwing up some terrible shots when he was with the Lakers. While they are winning, I personally think that GSW are wasting Kuminga's and Moody's time right now.

I think there is tremendous benefit, particularly to a guy like Kuminga, to see what winning basketball looks like for a couple of years. He's still so raw and green and played for a glorified AAU team in the G-League. The Warriors bench is the best hoops finishing school in the world...they're so good that he should still get plenty of garbage time as they start managing time for a long playoff run. I don't disagree that these guys need to play to be able to play, but GSW and Kerr and Green are the best examples they could get.

You are completely Kerr and Green are great examples. Maybe I am just looking at it from a player's perspective. Just watching Kuminga for 12 mins you can tell he is massively talented. It must be difficult just sitting on the bench and not contributing.

[Knightro]

You are completely Kerr and Green are great examples. Maybe I am just looking at it from a player's perspective. Just watching Kuminga for 12 mins you can tell he is massively talented. It must be difficult just sitting on the bench and not contributing.

Well certainly he'd rather be playing than not.

But Kuminga averaging 20 PPG on poor efficiency with no consequences for his decision making or shot selection on a terrible Magic team isn't likely to be all that great for his long-term outlook.

I always wonder what would have happened with Andrew Wiggins had the Cavs not traded him for Kevin Love. Had he been forced to learn and develop on a great team rather than be sent off to Minnesota where nothing mattered and he had free reign to do whatever.

It took Wiggins 7 or 8 years to stop being a net negative.

If you're a transcendent guy like LeBron or Durant, then obviously it doesn't matter where you go because you're that special. But there's only so many guys like that on planet earth. For most players, their surroundings ultimately matter a lot.

[ChosenSavior]

Pretty wild that Golden State has lottery picks at the end of their bench while we are starving for just competent talent.

Pretty wild that they used 3 lottery picks and only have one rotation player to show for it so far. It’s not like they’re stacked with talent other than the cheap veterans they added in the off-season.

Imagine if they’d drafted Ball or Haliburton instead of Wiseman? Or Wagner over Kuminga? All would fit their team and probably be playing right now instead of sitting on the end of the bench.

Curry/Poole
Ball/Moody
Wiggins/Franz
Green/Porter
Looney/Bjelica

Pretty tidy…

They don't care tho.
20-4 is best record in nba and their second best player is yet to return.
They sit on army of assets and now are officially "big market" team where everybody wants to play.

Before season ends it's almost expected that one blockbuster trade goes through Okland. And even if they did draft Franz or Lamelo or Haliburton, non of them would have bigger role today.

Simmons, Siakam, Towns, Sabonis, Turner, Valančiūnas, SGA, hell Ingram seems to be angry on Zion so there is another possiblity.
Let's face it, Bucks don't seem to be that good this year, West looks to be wide open, they have objective chance to reforge fact they are best team in nba today AND add another star player.

On top of that, Klay is returning. 60% of former Klay is better than 80% of nba.

Well said here. Warriors have the luxury of stockpiling assets because of how great they are. My original take was solely on the rosters itself.