[Wolfson] Toronto Raptors are a team to keep an eye on

[God Squad]

Believe he meant Banton, but that doesn't make either of the above trades more realistic.

Towns' shooting would be super helpful for this team.

This is the most competitive the Wolves have been since Butler was on the team, there's no way they're trading Towns for the likes of Boucher. And yeah his shooting would be helpful, but we'd have to give up so much just to get him.

Why are you explaining why the Wolves wouldn't do this deal?

lol, yeah it's one of those things that doesn't need to be said. I don't even think Boucher could fetch Naz Reid or Jared Vanderbilt.

[libertyYYZ]

Of course the random Minnesota guy has penetrated the cone of silence around the Raptor FO

that one random reporter leaked the that raptors were picking barnes a week before the draft. all of raptors biggest moves have leaked

In high school, we learned about the probabilities of pulling a card from a deck. If you throw enough random quotes out there, one of them is bound to be right.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Of course the random Minnesota guy has penetrated the cone of silence around the Raptor FO

that one random reporter leaked the that raptors were picking barnes a week before the draft. all of raptors biggest moves have leaked

In high school, we learned about the probabilities of pulling a card from a deck. If you throw enough random quotes out there, one of them is bound to be right.

you also have the counterpart that deals with the Raptors that could easily leak it as well

[bluerap23]

Trent is the most likely starter to be moved IMO.

[anotherhomer]

I have to agree about Trent

[Syd-TK3]

Just get a pick for boucher/Dragic that's all I care about

[Syd-TK3]

Double post

[wegotthabeet]

Boucher for towns and picks
Dragic for Eric Gordon

Towns , awchua
Siakam, BIRCH
OG, Barnes
Trend, Eric Gordon
Fred, Barton

Who are we trading to get Barton? He's a shooting guard last I checked, I don't think he can play the 1.

Neither can Fred, yet here we are.

[vulture]

One guy to look at from the wolves would be Naz Reid. He's having a good season and he's a good stretch 5 who can guard as well.

Barely have watched him, but his stats are very similar to Boucher. Not sure why they would trade him or want Boucher

I have watched quite a few Wolves games this year and Reid is undersized but a physical player who plays hard. I would not mind trading for him.

Reid is younger and a bigger body than Boucher. He's also been more efficient this season and the only reason the wolves would trade him is that they don't want to pay him.

[ruckus]

Trent is the most likely starter to be moved IMO.

He's been playing so well that I never thought about Trent as a trade piece but it makes sense. At $16m and at his age, he's a bargain.

Combining Trent, Goran and Boucher's contracts makes the Raps a player in almost any trade scenario either as a direct participant or to help facilitate moving someone like John Wall.

[ItsDanger]

Trent is shooting 41.5% very close to career average. That doesn't cut it for a SG. At some point, people have to accept reality instead of touting his age all the time. Its his 4th season, and you need to show efficiency improvement. There's been none so far and his mediocre shot creation combined with steaky shooting makes him a trade candidate.

[canz55]

Trent is shooting 41.5% very close to career average. That doesn't cut it for a SG. At some point, people have to accept reality instead of touting his age all the time. Its his 4th season, and you need to show efficiency improvement. There's been none so far and his mediocre shot creation combined with steaky shooting makes him a trade candidate.

Gary is shooting almost 39% from 3 on 5.6 attempts which is better than Bradley Beal's career average.

[ItsDanger]

Trent is shooting 41.5% very close to career average. That doesn't cut it for a SG. At some point, people have to accept reality instead of touting his age all the time. Its his 4th season, and you need to show efficiency improvement. There's been none so far and his mediocre shot creation combined with steaky shooting makes him a trade candidate.

Gary is shooting almost 39% from 3 on 5.6 attempts which is better than Bradley Beal's career average.

There is no comparison inside the 3 pt line, anyone should agree with that statement.

[OakleyDokely]

Trent is shooting 41.5% very close to career average. That doesn't cut it for a SG. At some point, people have to accept reality instead of touting his age all the time. Its his 4th season, and you need to show efficiency improvement. There's been none so far and his mediocre shot creation combined with steaky shooting makes him a trade candidate.

He takes so many 3s (more than half of his FG attempts are 3s) that it's not really useful to look at his FG%. His career 3pt % is 39%, which is very good for the amount he takes and he's sitting at 36% this year. You'd expect this normalize as the season goes on.

His overall efficiency does need to improve. His career TS% is .544 and he's slightly below that this year. But age does matter here. Not many guys in their early 20s, with a relatively high usage are efficient right from the start of their careers.

The other part of this is that GTJ is an impact defender. He's a disrupter who creates of a lot of turnovers, deflections and fastbreak opportunities.

In the end, everyone is tradeable if you get the right offer but he can be a building block moving forward because he can impact both sides of the floor.

[Johnny Bball]

[*]

What should happen with Dragic, who can play, is he goes for bad salary and pick(s). Boucher I'm not sure yet(he could go piece for piece - bench big for bench guard), but you put Boucher and Dragic together and I'm looking at someone like Cleveland with a year on Kevin Love to net draft picks.

Which is a reason you take Dragic's salary, because you can work above the cap and trade it for bad contracts, or anyone.

If dragic eventually gets bought out there will be a ton of ppl saying "i told you so" and "why didnt we do that from the start". I don't get that perspective. He's in our back pocket. Even if there's a small chance something materializes (ie salary filler in a big trade)....why wouldn't we wait and see? What's the downside in waiting?

I also think there's a tendency to undervalue what we have in precious. He's already far out-peforming his contract. How much would we have to pay on the open market for his contributions? Maybe around 8 million? We're getting him for a cap hit of 2 and he's locked in 2 more years (albeit at an increasing cap hit but it's still gonna be significantly below market value).

Small market teams NEED below market value contracts to be good in thus league. We got 3 in precious, delano and barnes. Hopefully we can add another one for 4 years in the next draft. OG and Fred are also decent contracts. All bodes well.

All Dragic cost was money. Literally nothing else. He didn't cost a player, a pick or even cap space since we weren't using it (weren't above the cap), and actually allowed us to use exceptions instead. He actually provides cap/trade flexibility. If he gets cut, who really cares. That just means there is no market for him to either trade him or as an expiring take back an unwanted contract.

So yeah, the argument agasint it from the start is just from a bunch of clowns.

[ItsDanger]

Keeping Dragic cost you time. Why is the concept of opportunity cost so foreign here? Always cut your losses early. Nothing wrong with calling it a failure, some moves just don't work out. Still time to include him as salary filler so who knows. Insulting everyone just reveals your poor understanding of management.

[OakleyDokely]

[*]

What should happen with Dragic, who can play, is he goes for bad salary and pick(s). Boucher I'm not sure yet(he could go piece for piece - bench big for bench guard), but you put Boucher and Dragic together and I'm looking at someone like Cleveland with a year on Kevin Love to net draft picks.

Which is a reason you take Dragic's salary, because you can work above the cap and trade it for bad contracts, or anyone.

If dragic eventually gets bought out there will be a ton of ppl saying "i told you so" and "why didnt we do that from the start". I don't get that perspective. He's in our back pocket. Even if there's a small chance something materializes (ie salary filler in a big trade)....why wouldn't we wait and see? What's the downside in waiting?

I also think there's a tendency to undervalue what we have in precious. He's already far out-peforming his contract. How much would we have to pay on the open market for his contributions? Maybe around 8 million? We're getting him for a cap hit of 2 and he's locked in 2 more years (albeit at an increasing cap hit but it's still gonna be significantly below market value).

Small market teams NEED below market value contracts to be good in thus league. We got 3 in precious, delano and barnes. Hopefully we can add another one for 4 years in the next draft. OG and Fred are also decent contracts. All bodes well.

All Dragic cost was money. Literally nothing else. He didn't cost a player, a pick or even cap space since we weren't using it (weren't above the cap), and actually allowed us to use exceptions instead. He actually provides cap/trade flexibility. If he gets cut, who really cares. That just means there is no market for him to either trade him or as an expiring take back an unwanted contract.

So yeah, the argument agasint it from the start is just from a bunch of clowns.

Ya, we didn't acquire dragic the player, we acquired dragic the salary in order to get Precious.

[OakleyDokely]

Keeping Dragic cost you time. Why is the concept of opportunity cost so foreign here? Always cut your losses early. Nothing wrong with calling it a failure, some moves just don't work out. Still time to include him as salary filler so who knows. Insulting everyone just reveals your poor understanding of management.

The trade was never about Dragic.

The Raps just needed his salary to make the Precious deal work. The deal was about acquiring Precious and the only way to make it work was to take Dragic's contract.

He hasn't been a distraction in the locker room. His salary can still be used in a large deal. I don't understand the urgency to make a move.

[Johnny Bball]

Keeping Dragic cost you time. Why is the concept of opportunity cost so foreign here? Always cut your losses early. Nothing wrong with calling it a failure, some moves just don't work out. Still time to include him as salary filler so who knows. Insulting everyone just reveals your poor understanding of management.

Lol, it cost time? Did you even read my post at all? It cost nothing but money and provides flexibility. It actually gives you until the deadline to do something so saying it costs time, other than the time to trade or cut him is inconsequential and just an excuse for actually not understanding why they even took his contract. Nobody says it has to work out and they won't just waive him. Again, it costs none of the future of this team, which is ALL that matters. It's isn't urgent in any single solitary way.

And first off, I didn't quote you. Second, it's hilarious that all of a sudden you find that to be an insult while you ignored it the 10+ other times its been used recently around here when it agreed with your narrative. As opposed to my "poor understanding of management" which isn't an insult right?

[ItsDanger]

Keeping Dragic cost you time. Why is the concept of opportunity cost so foreign here? Always cut your losses early. Nothing wrong with calling it a failure, some moves just don't work out. Still time to include him as salary filler so who knows. Insulting everyone just reveals your poor understanding of management.

Lol, it cost time? Did you even read my post at all? It cost nothing but money and provides flexibility. It actually gives you until the deadline to do something so saying it costs time, other than the time to trade or cut him is inconsequential and just an excuse for actually not understanding why they even took his contract. Nobody says it has to work out and they won't just waive him. Again, it costs none of the future of this team, which is ALL that matters. It's isn't urgent in any single solitary way.

And first off, I didn't quote you. Second, it's hilarious that all of a sudden you find that to be an insult while you ignored it the 10+ other times its been used recently around here when it agreed with your narrative. As opposed to my "poor understanding of management" which isn't an insult right?

Time is a resource just like money.