Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons

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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#161 » by Sixerscan » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:03 pm

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Rastas wrote:Even if a trade was now I feel Philly has dug themselves a nasty deep grave to lie in.
The longer they put off a trade the longer to crawl out of it.
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It’s a catch-22. They want Simmons for low ball price

But the overall league GM/owners really do not want Simmons and klutch to win this. You don’t want players forcing the issue demanding to be traded with 4 years left.

Might as well make contracts like nfl where only 1-2 years are guarantee if nba players want to move around.

Sure, Simmons is not good enough for anyone to break ranks if a compact exists.

On the other hand Simmons clearly can’t have any part in the Sixers’ long term plans now as a continuing player and Morey is playing games as well. Maybe he has a brilliant strategy, but I doubt leaving a large amount of cap space tied up in Simmons for 4 years is such a strategy.

I don't think Morey actually expects to hold onto Simmons for 4 years, he's holding out for some "difference maker" to get upset or some team to decide to turn the page, which historically happens much more frequently than every 4 years. Lillard is normally brought up just because he's the most straightforward example but it could be anyone. Harden was never talked about as on the trade-block up until about a year ago. So they're gonna wait for that to happen or until someone offers some great pick/asset package that can be used to flip for when that happens.

I don't know if they're actually willing to wait 4 years for something like that to happen, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were willing to wait until at least next offseason, at which point maybe they sell lower on Ben but also do some other move with picks and players to get a guy.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#162 » by TravisScott55 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:07 pm

Dame has been pretty awful this season, so I'm sure that hasn't helped.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#163 » by Pointgod » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:19 pm

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Pointgod wrote:Why does Portland bail out Morey by trading Lillard to the Sixers? Morey created this mess and Sixers fans think they’re getting a top 10 player for Simmons? Simmons is not playing. His value is only getting worse. In normal circumstances the Sixers would have to give up Simmons, Maxey and a couple picks for Dame. In the circumstances where Simmons has asked for a trade an hasn’t played in months? It would take Simmons, Maxey, 3 first round picks and 3 pick swaps to get Lillard. The Sixers won’t be the only teams that are interested if Portland is serious in moving Dame.



LOL which team would Philly be bidding against with that offer?


Boston, New York, Denver, Minnesota, Washington, Sacramento are just a couple of teams off the top of my head that would be interested in Dame if he became available. Plus there’s probably 2-3 other dark horse teams that would come out of no where. Sorry but Philly fans are full on delusional thinking that they would get Lillard for Simmons without a significant exchange of assets.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#164 » by Pointgod » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:22 pm

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Pointgod wrote:Shouldn’t we be applauding Dame for wanting to stay and make his team better?

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
most everyone wants to make their team better.


How is this wanting your cake and eating it too? So many posters complain when players ask for trades, especially the fans of small market teams. Then when a player shows that he wants to win with a team and make it better he gets criticized. Players can do no right in the eyes of fans.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#165 » by ProcessDoctor » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:33 pm

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Pointgod wrote:Why does Portland bail out Morey by trading Lillard to the Sixers? Morey created this mess and Sixers fans think they’re getting a top 10 player for Simmons? Simmons is not playing. His value is only getting worse. In normal circumstances the Sixers would have to give up Simmons, Maxey and a couple picks for Dame. In the circumstances where Simmons has asked for a trade an hasn’t played in months? It would take Simmons, Maxey, 3 first round picks and 3 pick swaps to get Lillard. The Sixers won’t be the only teams that are interested if Portland is serious in moving Dame.



LOL which team would Philly be bidding against with that offer?


Boston, New York, Denver, Minnesota, Washington, Sacramento are just a couple of teams off the top of my head that would be interested in Dame if he became available. Plus there’s probably 2-3 other dark horse teams that would come out of no where. Sorry but Philly fans are full on delusional thinking that they would get Lillard for Simmons without a significant exchange of assets.


If Dame wants to compete for a championship, Denver is the only relevant team on that list. Surely Portland wouldn't ship him off to Minny or Sactown after all he's done for them?
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#166 » by michaelm » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:44 pm

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michaelm wrote:
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It’s a catch-22. They want Simmons for low ball price

But the overall league GM/owners really do not want Simmons and klutch to win this. You don’t want players forcing the issue demanding to be traded with 4 years left.

Might as well make contracts like nfl where only 1-2 years are guarantee if nba players want to move around.

Sure, Simmons is not good enough for anyone to break ranks if a compact exists.

On the other hand Simmons clearly can’t have any part in the Sixers’ long term plans now as a continuing player and Morey is playing games as well. Maybe he has a brilliant strategy, but I doubt leaving a large amount of cap space tied up in Simmons for 4 years is such a strategy.

I don't think Morey actually expects to hold onto Simmons for 4 years, he's holding out for some "difference maker" to get upset or some team to decide to turn the page, which historically happens much more frequently than every 4 years. Lillard is normally brought up just because he's the most straightforward example but it could be anyone. Harden was never talked about as on the trade-block up until about a year ago. So they're gonna wait for that to happen or until someone offers some great pick/asset package that can be used to flip for when that happens.

I don't know if they're actually willing to wait 4 years for something like that to happen, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were willing to wait until at least next offseason, at which point maybe they sell lower on Ben but also do some other move with picks and players to get a guy.

Sure, that appears the likely scenario to me as well. My post was in the context of an earlier post suggesting Morey/the Sixers were sufficiently bloody minded to leave Simmons languishing at home with ‘mental illness’ for 4 years, which is unlikely imo.

As I have said earlier in the thread, I don’t have much inclination to defend Simmons these days and am more than happy to condemn Klutch, but I think the assumption he is totally faking mental illness is too far, his off court issues last season would have been tough for pretty much anyone, also imo.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#167 » by Zeno » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:57 pm

Plot twist. Philly sends Tobias Harris, Maxey and all pick assets imaginable to Portland. 76ers cheer Ben as man who made it happen and welcome him back.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#168 » by rzzzzz » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:06 pm

Zeno wrote:Plot twist. Philly sends Tobias Harris, Maxey and all pick assets imaginable to Portland. 76ers cheer Ben as man who made it happen and welcome him back.


Figure it out without Maxey, and it’s a deal. (Maxey and Ben are supposedly close, and Dame praising Ben might be just enough to salve his inflamed ego and get him back playing with Embiid, who looked like a world beater again last night. That’s a 4some I’d ride into the playoffs.)
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#169 » by JRoy » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:07 pm

Zeno wrote:Plot twist. Philly sends Tobias Harris, Maxey and all pick assets imaginable to Portland. 76ers cheer Ben as man who made it happen and welcome him back.


Plot twist.

POR laughs PHI off the phone and call blocks them.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#170 » by Zeno » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:12 pm

JRoy wrote:
Zeno wrote:Plot twist. Philly sends Tobias Harris, Maxey and all pick assets imaginable to Portland. 76ers cheer Ben as man who made it happen and welcome him back.


Plot twist.

POR laughs PHI off the phone and call blocks them.

It was meant as a joke.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#171 » by OrangeBlueSkies » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:53 pm

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LOL which team would Philly be bidding against with that offer?


Boston, New York, Denver, Minnesota, Washington, Sacramento are just a couple of teams off the top of my head that would be interested in Dame if he became available. Plus there’s probably 2-3 other dark horse teams that would come out of no where. Sorry but Philly fans are full on delusional thinking that they would get Lillard for Simmons without a significant exchange of assets.


If Dame wants to compete for a championship, Denver is the only relevant team on that list. Surely Portland wouldn't ship him off to Minny or Sactown after all he's done for them?



Yeah, agreed. They wouldn’t get the best available package, they’d take whatever makes Dame happy. Since he’s done soooooo much for them. Laughable.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#172 » by DusterBuster » Tue Dec 7, 2021 4:59 pm

TravisScott55 wrote:Dame has been pretty awful this season, so I'm sure that hasn't helped.


The whole team has been rocky this year. It's just a bad combo of problems for the Blazers. Partly injury bug hit early and hard, partly the team learning a whole new system - for all the long-term Blazers, they've never gone through a coaching change ever, so that's really thrown stuff out of whack, then personal issues for some guys (CJ openly talking about how front off chaos and his wife being pregnant are distractions from the game this year), then the FO just being a epic cluster-f. Throw on top of all that a pretty unbalanced roster and it's just not a recipe for success for anyone involved.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#173 » by Pointgod » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:00 pm

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LOL which team would Philly be bidding against with that offer?


Boston, New York, Denver, Minnesota, Washington, Sacramento are just a couple of teams off the top of my head that would be interested in Dame if he became available. Plus there’s probably 2-3 other dark horse teams that would come out of no where. Sorry but Philly fans are full on delusional thinking that they would get Lillard for Simmons without a significant exchange of assets.


If Dame wants to compete for a championship, Denver is the only relevant team on that list. Surely Portland wouldn't ship him off to Minny or Sactown after all he's done for them?


So the only team that could trade for Dame is conveniently the same team with a GM that needs a move to save his job…. Sure sure
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#174 » by DusterBuster » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:01 pm

rzzzzz wrote:
Zeno wrote:Plot twist. Philly sends Tobias Harris, Maxey and all pick assets imaginable to Portland. 76ers cheer Ben as man who made it happen and welcome him back.


Figure it out without Maxey, and it’s a deal. (Maxey and Ben are supposedly close, and Dame praising Ben might be just enough to salve his inflamed ego and get him back playing with Embiid, who looked like a world beater again last night. That’s a 4some I’d ride into the playoffs.)


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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#175 » by Hipster Doofus » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:04 pm

I love that the Sixers haven't paid the Young Socialite any salary this season. Brotha messed with the wrong city :D

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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#176 » by JRoy » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:25 pm

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Boston, New York, Denver, Minnesota, Washington, Sacramento are just a couple of teams off the top of my head that would be interested in Dame if he became available. Plus there’s probably 2-3 other dark horse teams that would come out of no where. Sorry but Philly fans are full on delusional thinking that they would get Lillard for Simmons without a significant exchange of assets.


If Dame wants to compete for a championship, Denver is the only relevant team on that list. Surely Portland wouldn't ship him off to Minny or Sactown after all he's done for them?



Yeah, agreed. They wouldn’t get the best available package, they’d take whatever makes Dame happy. Since he’s done soooooo much for them. Laughable.


Arguably the best player in franchise history.

I don’t think he’s there yet but some POR fans do.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#177 » by NBA Moses » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:31 pm

Fresh_Prince12 wrote:Ben for CJ seems fair. Philly needs to just get past this and get someone who can help Embiid


When Ben Simmons + Joel Embiid are in the lineup the Sixers win at a .675 clip. When Ben is not in the lineup Sixers are sub .500

You might not respect Bens game but you have to respect what he brings to the Sixers. HIs intangibles/defense are immense.

Swapping McCollum for Ben isnt going to work for the Sixers. Joel + McCollum are probably a sub.500 team.

For the Sixers to move Ben to Portland they would need McCollum,Powell and Anfernee Simons .

Like something like Ben Simmons,Danny Green,Korkmaz for McCollum,Powell,Simons.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#178 » by ProcessDoctor » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:37 pm

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Boston, New York, Denver, Minnesota, Washington, Sacramento are just a couple of teams off the top of my head that would be interested in Dame if he became available. Plus there’s probably 2-3 other dark horse teams that would come out of no where. Sorry but Philly fans are full on delusional thinking that they would get Lillard for Simmons without a significant exchange of assets.


If Dame wants to compete for a championship, Denver is the only relevant team on that list. Surely Portland wouldn't ship him off to Minny or Sactown after all he's done for them?


So the only team that could trade for Dame is conveniently the same team with a GM that needs a move to save his job…. Sure sure


I'm not claiming that, I just think Philly has the best package to offer.

-Denver: I could see them offering Murray. That's the start of a competitive offer. Western Conference and division rivals. Maybe.
-New York: Has little outside of picks. Nope.
-Minnesota: Won't part with Edwards or KAT. Western Conference. Nope.
-Sacramento: Maybe you could get Fox? Does Lillard want to be there? Not better than what he has in Portland. Western Conference. Maybe at best.
-Washington: Has nothing outside of Beal. Nope.
-Boston: Could offer Jaylen, but is Tatum + Dame a contender? Maybe.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#179 » by NBA Moses » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:41 pm

Ben Simmons for a guy who doesnt shoot jumpers is one of the most entertaining players in the nba. Sixers I believe have led nba in attendance once Ben Simmons arrived. Hes exciting, hes box office.

If Im Portland,Sac,OKC,SA etc I would have given up the goods for Ben last summer. Portland for instance you now have Dame + Simmons pretty exciting right? Well if they dont mesh you keep Simmons(25 y.o) 3x all-star and move Lillard for pieces to fit around Ben Simmons.

Ben Simmons is a franchise player and most likely the reason he wants out of Philly is because he has to take a backseat to Embiid.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#180 » by JasonStern » Tue Dec 7, 2021 6:13 pm

Nurkić was a pouty malcontent before being traded to the Blazers and being taken under Dame's wing, so I get it.

Meanwhile, the Dame/CJ duo has proven it's historically a first round playoff out.

"I'm fine wasting Dame's prime!"
"Yeah, well I'm fine wasting Embiid's prime!"

I get that both fan bases and management teams overvalue their pieces, but it makes sense for some deal to get done.

Simmons for CJ+Little+1st is near perfect salary-wise. Seems like a win-win to me. Blazers cannot afford to overpay for Simmons in case he doesn't work out (Dame can't reach him, he hates the Pacific Northwest, etc.). 76ers get a win-now 20ppg piece in CJ, a prospect that is looking like a solid rotation player in Little, and a future 1st to use/trade/etc.

That said, I'm still fine with some CJ for Tobias trade. Not perfect, but helps balance out both rosters. Better than doing nothing and wondering why neither team is a contender. But then the 76ers likely still need to work the Simmons situation out.
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