[Charania] Pacers Open To Trading Myles Turner Or Damontas Sabonis

[macNcheese3]

Turner blocks shots but his overall defensive impact isn't that great. He's going into the last year of his contract next year and he's already making close to 20 a year.

Sabonis is a tweener who isn't good defensively. He plays a spot on the floor the Raps already have covered.

Lavert is a huge injury risk.

All of these guys would be short term solutions and the Raps are after long term solutions.

Well said.

[PT416]

I’ve always felt that Turner has been a bit overrated on this forum. We’d trade for him, then people would turn on him after like 10 games when they see how inconsistent he is. He’s an okay player, but I think there’s a misconception that he would be an impact player for us and I don’t think that would be the case.

Sabonis is the better player of the two, I think. He’s not a rim protector but plays okay team defense - the rim protector thing is why I’m not sure he’s the best fit but his talent I think raises the ceiling for this team.

In either case, we have a pretty appealing package to make a deal - Dragic, Flynn, and this year’s unprotected first. Conveniently, that fits salary wise for both Sabonis and Turner.

Side note; I just can’t with the FVV and Siakam hate, man.

I thought you meant Sabonis AND Turner for that. Bruh I would have lost my mind. Yeah one of them for that package makes more sense. Maybe the other one for Trent + Pick? We're basically changing the entire game plan for this but having them both would be crazy.

[C_Money]

Get it done. Let’s get back to being a good team.

[Kurtz]

A rebuilding team shouldn't be giving away #1 picks or good prospects for expensive non star players in their mid to late 20s, unless they're ready to compete pretty soon.

At 25, Turner would fit our core. Assuming Trent is shipped the other way, a core of FVV-Scottie-OG-Siakam-Turner can be competitive right away and for the next 5 years. And on paper, that's the best defensive team in the league.

It's not so much his age I have issue with, it's that we would need to give up good young assets to get him and pay him quite a bit of money and what we'd be getting is basically a solid starter. I don't believe there's enough upside in a move like this.

I think it comes down how you evaluate Turner. I think he can still be a star - having to play out of position at PF next to Sabonis has really limited his offensive opportunity. Ergo the offensive inconsistency as he's been forced to be a perimeter guy on offense.

Likewise, while his rebounding numbers are underwhelming, we also have to consider that Sabonis is a boards vacuum. He's never going to lead the leagues in boards due to him always going for the block, but just being average in that respect for his position should be enough due to our length.

He's also switchable and with him protecting the paint we wouldn't need to over-help quite as much as we do.

[Swag]

Pack your bags, Pascal.

[kirkwood]

Trade checker approved

Siakam
Boucher
Flynn

For

Sabonis
Turner
Brisset

Raps

Sabonis - Birch
Turner - Achiuwa
OG - Brisset
Trent Jr - Barnes
VanFleet - Banton

[RalphWiggum]

Let's goooooooo!

[Qhawe]

would happily throw 1st round pick, top 6 protected for Turner.

[Swag]

A Toronto, Denver and Indy 3 team trade sending Pascal to the Nuggets - maybe?

I just dont know what Denver would be willing to give up.

[OakleyDokely]

At 25, Turner would fit our core. Assuming Trent is shipped the other way, a core of FVV-Scottie-OG-Siakam-Turner can be competitive right away and for the next 5 years. And on paper, that's the best defensive team in the league.

It's not so much his age I have issue with, it's that we would need to give up good young assets to get him and pay him quite a bit of money and what we'd be getting is basically a solid starter. I don't believe there's enough upside in a move like this.

I think it comes down how you evaluate Turner. I think he can still be a star - having to play out of position at PF next to Sabonis has really limited his offensive opportunity. Ergo the offensive inconsistency as he's been forced to be a perimeter guy on offense.

Likewise, while his rebounding numbers are underwhelming, we also have to consider that Sabonis is a boards vacuum. He's never going to lead the leagues in boards due to him always going for the block, but just being average in that respect for his position should be enough due to our length.

He's also switchable and with him protecting the paint we wouldn't need to over-help quite as much as we do.

Yup, your enthusiasm for this deal depends on how you evaluate Turner's potential. If you think he can be all-star C and part of your core moving forward, targeting him makes a lot of sense.

My opinion of him is not as high. He blocks shots and defends the interior, but his strength isn't defending in space and the Raps really put a priority on that. Offensively, he can hits 3, but he's wildly inconsistent on that side of the ball. He drops 20 one night, 2 the next. I think he's a solid starter and a useful player, but I wouldn't give up much beyond expirings and young guys like Flynn for him.

[RalphWiggum]

3 team deal centering around Siakam

TOR Out - Siakam
TOR In - Turner , Kuminga

GSW In - Siakam
GSW Out - Kuminga, Moody , Wiseman, 2022 1st

Ind In - GSW 2022 1st , Moody , Wiseman
Ind Out - Turner

Just spitballing an idea to give out. Seems like we don't really have much to offer for Turner if IND is looking for a rebuild, as I'm sure we want to hold on to our first this year

You're absolutely insane if you think Golden State would part with that much for Siakam.

If you're not insane you're suffering a stroke and should get to the nearest hospital ASAP.

[nikster]

At 25, Turner would fit our core. Assuming Trent is shipped the other way, a core of FVV-Scottie-OG-Siakam-Turner can be competitive right away and for the next 5 years. And on paper, that's the best defensive team in the league.

It's not so much his age I have issue with, it's that we would need to give up good young assets to get him and pay him quite a bit of money and what we'd be getting is basically a solid starter. I don't believe there's enough upside in a move like this.

I think it comes down how you evaluate Turner. I think he can still be a star - having to play out of position at PF next to Sabonis has really limited his offensive opportunity. Ergo the offensive inconsistency as he's been forced to be a perimeter guy on offense.

Likewise, while his rebounding numbers are underwhelming, we also have to consider that Sabonis is a boards vacuum. He's never going to lead the leagues in boards due to him always going for the block, but just being average in that respect for his position should be enough due to our length.

He's also switchable and with him protecting the paint we wouldn't need to over-help quite as much as we do.

It does seem to play out with the on/off data. This year he averages 19.3 points, 9.5 boards per 36 minutes when Sabonis not playing. 13.2 and 7.6 when Sabonis on the floor. Last year the gap is even bigger, 21.3/9.6 without Sabonis, 12.2/6.8 with him.

I wasnt expecting such a huge difference

[Kurtz]

It's not so much his age I have issue with, it's that we would need to give up good young assets to get him and pay him quite a bit of money and what we'd be getting is basically a solid starter. I don't believe there's enough upside in a move like this.

I think it comes down how you evaluate Turner. I think he can still be a star - having to play out of position at PF next to Sabonis has really limited his offensive opportunity. Ergo the offensive inconsistency as he's been forced to be a perimeter guy on offense.

Likewise, while his rebounding numbers are underwhelming, we also have to consider that Sabonis is a boards vacuum. He's never going to lead the leagues in boards due to him always going for the block, but just being average in that respect for his position should be enough due to our length.

He's also switchable and with him protecting the paint we wouldn't need to over-help quite as much as we do.

It does seem to play out with the on/off data. This year he averages 19.3 points, 9.5 boards per 36 minutes when Sabonis not playing. 13.2 and 7.6 when Sabonis on the floor. Last year the gap is even bigger, 21.3/9.6 without Sabonis, 12.2/6.8 with him.

I wasnt expecting such a huge difference

Yep - thank you, that's exactly what I was thinking based on personal eye-test, but didn't have the data on hand to back it up.

[YogurtProducer]

It's not so much his age I have issue with, it's that we would need to give up good young assets to get him and pay him quite a bit of money and what we'd be getting is basically a solid starter. I don't believe there's enough upside in a move like this.

I think it comes down how you evaluate Turner. I think he can still be a star - having to play out of position at PF next to Sabonis has really limited his offensive opportunity. Ergo the offensive inconsistency as he's been forced to be a perimeter guy on offense.

Likewise, while his rebounding numbers are underwhelming, we also have to consider that Sabonis is a boards vacuum. He's never going to lead the leagues in boards due to him always going for the block, but just being average in that respect for his position should be enough due to our length.

He's also switchable and with him protecting the paint we wouldn't need to over-help quite as much as we do.

It does seem to play out with the on/off data. This year he averages 19.3 points, 9.5 boards per 36 minutes when Sabonis not playing. 13.2 and 7.6 when Sabonis on the floor. Last year the gap is even bigger, 21.3/9.6 without Sabonis, 12.2/6.8 with him.

I wasnt expecting such a huge difference

I was not expected 20/10 when he is (I assume) at center. That intrigues me a bit more because that is a damn good player if true.

[PT416]

I don't see how Siakam has a lot of value for them. Sabonis and Turner are both younger. I don't even understand why they wanna get rid of young players to rebuild but I guess it just means they're after expirings, prospects and picks.

Trent/Flynn/Banton/Picks are the only real assets we got. So we gotta fork up pick(s), prospect and Trent. The timing is off if they're in a rush. Gotta wait like 40 days til Trent is tradeable.

I don't think we should be trying to get both of them. It's unrealistic and Indy will get more value trading one at a time.
Trent + Flynn + Picks for one of them still does the job for us. It will balance our roster.

[Zeno]

I see us perhaps being a 3rd team taking back Nurkic maybe
Let’s say…
Turner, Levert, Lamb to Blazers
CJ, Dragic,Boucher,Malachi and 1st to Pacers
Nurkic, TJ Warren to Raptors

Pacers would buyout Dragic.

[Raps in 4]

Turner blocks shots but his overall defensive impact isn't that great. He's going into the last year of his contract next year and he's already making close to 20 a year.

Sabonis is a tweener who isn't good defensively. He plays a spot on the floor the Raps already have covered.

Lavert is a huge injury risk.

All of these guys would be short term solutions and the Raps are after long term solutions.

+3.9 DRAPTOR
+1.4 DEPM
+1.6 DRAPM

He's a good defender.

[Indeed]

As people mentioned, I don't think we are in a rush to make a trade, as we are not desperate in becoming a contender. And Turner is not as impactful to make us go above a few tiers, so I am not sure other teams are giving up a lottery 1st for him.

I think our decision will largely impacted by what position Barnes plays at the next level. Is he a PF? Is he a SF? Is he a PG/PF?

[EFF3KT]

We would be so fortunate if Indiana took Siakam in exchange for Turner

Mans woke up and chose violence.

[Raps in 4]

A Toronto, Denver and Indy 3 team trade sending Pascal to the Nuggets - maybe?

I just dont know what Denver would be willing to give up.

I'd love to see Pascal on that roster with Jokic and Murray.