Official Scottie Barnes Thread

Psubs · Post #1281 » by **Psubs** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 2:26 pm

TeamDisgruntled wrote:Can we all just take a minute to appreciate the handles that Scottie suddenly flashed last night? I know we’ve seen a moment here and there in previous games but he was consistently trying to take his man off the dribble in that first half. It might have just been the matchup against a limited defender in Bertans, but regardless it was nice to see.

It's good to know that he sees the scouting report and knows that Bertans is a poor defender. He can pretty much blow by any non-guard on the Wizards.

OakleyDokely · Post #1282 » by **OakleyDokely** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 4:43 pm

Scottie now has a higher FG%, 3PT% and TS% than Mobley.

EFF3KT · Post #1283 » by **EFF3KT** » Mon Dec 6, 2021 6:17 pm

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-rookie-rankings-scottie-barnes-evan-mobley-in-early-race-at-the-top-174321007.html

1. Scottie Barnes, Toronto Raptors
Previous ranking: No. 3

2021-22 stats: 15.1 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 3.2 apg

Barnes was plugged into the Raptors' starting lineup from day one and is electrifying to watch with his long strides in the open court, no-look passes in transition and posterized dunks.

The 6-foot-9 wing struggled with his 3-point shot early, but he’s started to find his rhythm from deep, knocking down 10 3-pointers in the last four games. Barnes has already recorded three double-doubles and is 10th overall in offensive rebounds with 63 so far this season. He’s averaging over 35 minutes per game (13th most in the NBA) and is shooting 49% from the field.

If Barnes continues to stay consistent with his 3-point jumper, there are not a lot defensive players who will be able to stop him. It’s a two-way race for the top Rookie of the Year honor right now between Barnes and Mobley, and it’s definitely on his radar.

“It’s definitely a goal of mine for sure and something I would love to achieve,” Barnes told Yahoo Sports last month. “But right now I’m just trying to play basketball, win games and do whatever I can to contribute to this team when I’m on the court.”

mdenny · Post #1284 » by **mdenny** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 8:35 pm

I wish more ppl on this board would listen to david thorpe.

Stop whining about scottie's touches. He is developing well. Stop worrying about his stat sheets. Stop worrying about the ROY. None of that stuff matters.

Could be that we are still using the Vince carter model in assessing potential superstar rookie seasons. That's not how this usually works. As thorpe points out: giannis didnt win ROY, Jokic didnt win ROY, Harden didn't win ROY. Go look at how many players who win MVP in a given year won ROY their first season. And for how many of them....their drafting team dropped everything immediately and started running the team through them during their rookie seasons.

Stop whining. Barnes is learning how to play. This idea that "its scottie's team now" and "we need to run everything through scottie" is not only stupid....it's likely to be counter-productive. We could seriously stunt his development.

If you just stop caring about his stats and the ROY you will think more rationally about this. It doesnt matter.

We are probably the 16th best team last season. Due to injuries/covid/tampa bay we dropped to 24th. Then we won the lottery and dropped to 27th. Then we outdrafted other teams and got probably the second best player in draft (ie 29th). All very fortunate.

WuTang_OG · Post #1285 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 8:40 pm

He's developing by playing heavy minutes which he has since Day 1. He's way ahead of the curve.

OakleyDokely · Post #1286 » by **OakleyDokely** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 8:54 pm

Nurse said before the season that Barnes should be judged based on how many minutes he's earned.

He's currently 12th in the NBA in minutes played, just behind Lillard and Harden.

blastttOFF · Post #1287 » by **blastttOFF** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 8:56 pm

mdenny wrote:I wish more ppl on this board would listen to david thorpe.

Stop whining about scottie's touches. He is developing well. Stop worrying about his stat sheets. Stop worrying about the ROY. None of that stuff matters.

Could be that we are still using the Vince carter model in assessing potential superstar rookie seasons. That's not how this usually works. As thorpe points out: giannis didnt win ROY, Jokic didnt win ROY, Harden didn't win ROY. Go look at how many players who win MVP in a given year won ROY their first season. And for how many of them....their drafting team dropped everything immediately and started running the team through them during their rookie seasons.

Stop whining. Barnes is learning how to play. This idea that "its scottie's team now" and "we need to run everything through scottie" is not only stupid....it's likely to be counter-productive. We could seriously stunt his development.

If you just stop caring about his stats and the ROY you will think more rationally about this. It doesnt matter.

We are probably the 16th best team last season. Due to injuries/covid/tampa bay we dropped to 24th. Then we won the lottery and dropped to 27th. Then we outdrafted other teams and got probably the second best player in draft (ie 29th). All very fortunate.

But Damian Lillard, Lebron James, Luka Doncic and MCW all won the rookie of the year though.

NotMyKawhi · Post #1288 » by **NotMyKawhi** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 9:07 pm

scottie will be a career 20+, 10+, 5+ guy w great d

This really is the new scottie pippen. We just need a Jordan and we are set for life

Los_29 · Post #1289 » by **Los_29** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 9:31 pm

NotMyKawhi wrote:We just need a Jordan and we are set for life

Perfect, that should be easy to find.

NotMyKawhi · Post #1290 » by **NotMyKawhi** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 9:39 pm

Los_29 wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:We just need a Jordan and we are set for life

Perfect, that should be easy to find.

tanking

mdenny · Post #1291 » by **mdenny** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 9:56 pm

David thorpe's assessent of raptor utilization of scottie: genius.
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He points to GS's use of james wiseman during the first 6 months of his rookie season of how it's possible to "destroy" a prospect. A step-back in a player's development timeline that can take years to recover from....sometimes they never fully recover.

He also addresses the suggestion of letting scottie run the point: way too soon. Handle not good enough. Will destroy his confidence.

Thorpe claims the proper way to develop scottie: pile the defensive responsibity onto him. On offense....let him play off everyone else while he learns more. Which is exactly what we're doing.

pingpongrac · Post #1292 » by **pingpongrac** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 10:26 pm

blastttOFF wrote:
mdenny wrote:I wish more ppl on this board would listen to david thorpe.

Stop whining about scottie's touches. He is developing well. Stop worrying about his stat sheets. Stop worrying about the ROY. None of that stuff matters.

Could be that we are still using the Vince carter model in assessing potential superstar rookie seasons. That's not how this usually works. As thorpe points out: giannis didnt win ROY, Jokic didnt win ROY, Harden didn't win ROY. Go look at how many players who win MVP in a given year won ROY their first season. And for how many of them....their drafting team dropped everything immediately and started running the team through them during their rookie seasons.

Stop whining. Barnes is learning how to play. This idea that "its scottie's team now" and "we need to run everything through scottie" is not only stupid....it's likely to be counter-productive. We could seriously stunt his development.

If you just stop caring about his stats and the ROY you will think more rationally about this. It doesnt matter.

We are probably the 16th best team last season. Due to injuries/covid/tampa bay we dropped to 24th. Then we won the lottery and dropped to 27th. Then we outdrafted other teams and got probably the second best player in draft (ie 29th). All very fortunate.

But Damian Lillard, Lebron James, Luka Doncic and MCW all won the rookie of the year though.

Three of those (Lillard, LeBron and Luka) came into the league with extremely high expectations as players that could run an NBA offence. The other (MCW) played 35 MPG with a 26 USG% for a 19-win team...and coincidentally had a pretty mediocre NBA career after his ROY season, posting a career 47 TS% and bouncing around 6 teams.

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ForeverTFC · Post #1293 » by **ForeverTFC** » Wed Dec 8, 2021 12:43 am

mdenny wrote:David thorpe's assessent of raptor utilization of scottie: genius.
.
He points to GS's use of james wiseman during the first 6 months of his rookie season of how it's possible to "destroy" a prospect. A step-back in a player's development timeline that can take years to recover from....sometimes they never fully recover.

He also addresses the suggestion of letting scottie run the point: way too soon. Handle not good enough. Will destroy his confidence.

Thorpe claims the proper way to develop scottie: pile the defensive responsibity onto him. On offense....let him play off everyone else while he learns more. Which is exactly what we're doing.

Sorry if I missed it, but is this a pod? If so, which pod?

I love the fact that Thorpe is so wedded to Scottie. It's great content and he clearly is paying a lot of attention to him. On a Ford pod a month or so ago, Thorpe also mentioned that Scottie's handle is the most important aspect of his game that he needs to build in order to be a star. I completely agree that it makes no sense to throw him to the wolves by putting him in heavy mins at PG. If outsiders can clearly identify his weak handles, teams will definitely exploit it which could impact his pysche. So much of success is mental and I don't think people really get that.

mdenny · Post #1294 » by **mdenny** » Wed Dec 8, 2021 1:42 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
mdenny wrote:David thorpe's assessent of raptor utilization of scottie: genius.
.
He points to GS's use of james wiseman during the first 6 months of his rookie season of how it's possible to "destroy" a prospect. A step-back in a player's development timeline that can take years to recover from....sometimes they never fully recover.

He also addresses the suggestion of letting scottie run the point: way too soon. Handle not good enough. Will destroy his confidence.

Thorpe claims the proper way to develop scottie: pile the defensive responsibity onto him. On offense....let him play off everyone else while he learns more. Which is exactly what we're doing.

Sorry if I missed it, but is this a pod? If so, which pod?

I love the fact that Thorpe is so wedded to Scottie. It's great content and he clearly is paying a lot of attention to him. On a Ford pod a month or so ago, Thorpe also mentioned that Scottie's handle is the most important aspect of his game that he needs to build in order to be a star. I completely agree that it makes no sense to throw him to the wolves by putting him in heavy mins at PG. If outsiders can clearly identify his weak handles, teams will definitely exploit it which could impact his pysche. So much of success is mental and I don't think people really get that.

Thorpe was on the raptor show today with will Lou and Blake Murphy.

blastttOFF · Post #1295 » by **blastttOFF** » Wed Dec 8, 2021 3:41 am

Also have a listen at the Ringer’s NBA podcast talk about the top 3 rookies in the NBA (Mobley, Cunningham and Barnes).

https://www.theringer.com/2021/12/7/22822796/closer-looks-at-evan-mobley-cade-cunningham-and-scottie-barnes

The guys (Tjarks and Kyle Mann) absolutely gushed about Barnes. Say he’ll absolutely be a high level player on a championship caliber team like Andre Igoudala.
Tjarks did make a good point to not over emphasize his 3 point shooting, as he will best with guys around him that open up space. Went on to draw comparison to fit version of Diaw and a Kyle Anderson type of player.

sbsat · Post #1296 » by **sbsat** » Wed Dec 8, 2021 4:24 am

mdenny wrote:I wish more ppl on this board would listen to david thorpe.

Stop whining about scottie's touches. He is developing well. Stop worrying about his stat sheets. Stop worrying about the ROY. None of that stuff matters.

Could be that we are still using the Vince carter model in assessing potential superstar rookie seasons. That's not how this usually works. As thorpe points out: giannis didnt win ROY, Jokic didnt win ROY, Harden didn't win ROY. Go look at how many players who win MVP in a given year won ROY their first season. And for how many of them....their drafting team dropped everything immediately and started running the team through them during their rookie seasons.

Stop whining. Barnes is learning how to play. This idea that "its scottie's team now" and "we need to run everything through scottie" is not only stupid....it's likely to be counter-productive. We could seriously stunt his development.

If you just stop caring about his stats and the ROY you will think more rationally about this. It doesnt matter.

We are probably the 16th best team last season. Due to injuries/covid/tampa bay we dropped to 24th. Then we won the lottery and dropped to 27th. Then we outdrafted other teams and got probably the second best player in draft (ie 29th). All very fortunate.

Thorpe also cited examples of rookies needlessly having high USG and it hindering them and in some cases ruining them because they werent ready and were not in an organized system. Scottie is being brought in at the right place. This is something a lot of ppl here -- especially tankers -- don't get

Post #1297 » by **Reeko** » Wed Dec 8, 2021 4:31 am

NotMyKawhi wrote:scottie will be a career 20+, 10+, 5+ guy w great d

This really is the new scottie pippen. We just need a Jordan and we are set for life

Except Scottie Pippen is a career 16, 6 and 5 guy with great D. The numbers you just posted are Larry Bird career averages, and if Scottie Barnes is the next Bird then we don't need a Jordan.

seanbig · Post #1298 » by **seanbig** » Wed Dec 8, 2021 8:59 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
mdenny wrote:David thorpe's assessent of raptor utilization of scottie: genius.
.
He points to GS's use of james wiseman during the first 6 months of his rookie season of how it's possible to "destroy" a prospect. A step-back in a player's development timeline that can take years to recover from....sometimes they never fully recover.

He also addresses the suggestion of letting scottie run the point: way too soon. Handle not good enough. Will destroy his confidence.

Thorpe claims the proper way to develop scottie: pile the defensive responsibity onto him. On offense....let him play off everyone else while he learns more. Which is exactly what we're doing.

Sorry if I missed it, but is this a pod? If so, which pod?

I love the fact that Thorpe is so wedded to Scottie. It's great content and he clearly is paying a lot of attention to him. On a Ford pod a month or so ago, Thorpe also mentioned that Scottie's handle is the most important aspect of his game that he needs to build in order to be a star. I completely agree that it makes no sense to throw him to the wolves by putting him in heavy mins at PG. If outsiders can clearly identify his weak handles, teams will definitely exploit it which could impact his pysche. So much of success is mental and I don't think people really get that.

The most insightful thing that Thorpe has said is that sometimes Scottie doesn’t want to step on toes and steps back and doesn’t want to take the bull by the horns and dominate and that it will be up to him if he wants to be dominant and impose his will

mdenny · Post #1299 » by **mdenny** » Wed Dec 8, 2021 12:41 pm

seanbig wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
mdenny wrote:David thorpe's assessent of raptor utilization of scottie: genius.
.
He points to GS's use of james wiseman during the first 6 months of his rookie season of how it's possible to "destroy" a prospect. A step-back in a player's development timeline that can take years to recover from....sometimes they never fully recover.

He also addresses the suggestion of letting scottie run the point: way too soon. Handle not good enough. Will destroy his confidence.

Thorpe claims the proper way to develop scottie: pile the defensive responsibity onto him. On offense....let him play off everyone else while he learns more. Which is exactly what we're doing.

Sorry if I missed it, but is this a pod? If so, which pod?

I love the fact that Thorpe is so wedded to Scottie. It's great content and he clearly is paying a lot of attention to him. On a Ford pod a month or so ago, Thorpe also mentioned that Scottie's handle is the most important aspect of his game that he needs to build in order to be a star. I completely agree that it makes no sense to throw him to the wolves by putting him in heavy mins at PG. If outsiders can clearly identify his weak handles, teams will definitely exploit it which could impact his pysche. So much of success is mental and I don't think people really get that.

The most insightful thing that Thorpe has said is that sometimes Scottie doesn’t want to step on toes and steps back and doesn’t want to take the bull by the horns and dominate and that it will be up to him if he wants to be dominant and impose his will

"The most insightful thing"....

You might wanna consider the possibility that you have no idea what you are talking about. That you are so far gone ignorant that you're contribitions here border on satirical. Have you considered that?

mdenny · Post #1300 » by **mdenny** » Wed Dec 8, 2021 12:49 pm

blastttOFF wrote:Also have a listen at the Ringer’s NBA podcast talk about the top 3 rookies in the NBA (Mobley, Cunningham and Barnes).

https://www.theringer.com/2021/12/7/22822796/closer-looks-at-evan-mobley-cade-cunningham-and-scottie-barnes

The guys (Tjarks and Kyle Mann) absolutely gushed about Barnes. Say he’ll absolutely be a high level player on a championship caliber team like Andre Igoudala.
Tjarks did make a good point to not over emphasize his 3 point shooting, as he will best with guys around him that open up space. Went on to draw comparison to fit version of Diaw and a Kyle Anderson type of player.

The reason Nurse insisted that Scottie start taking 3s is because everyone was playing off him and clogging the lane.

Those 3s are going to continue being open for scottie. He will end up shooting poorly. That's a FACT.