[Charania] Pacers Open To Trading Myles Turner Or Damontas Sabonis

[terryjackson]

Siakam is a proven 2nd option and that should not be sold on low value, and the Pacers likely don't want an older player for their rebuild.

I would trade OG for Turner + 1st to balance out the roster. Turner and OG are also the same age so it wouldn't be too bad of a swap especially if the Raptors get back a protected first. OG has a high value now and could be traded for more than he is actually worth. He is not able to handle a big offensive load and his awkward offense will be worse against tighter defenses in the playoffs.

Barnes is the new 3 going forward, he has dynamic offense in creating for others, handling the ball, and he can chain together great offense.

Turner - Birch
Siakam - Achiuwa
Barnes - Watanabe
Trent - Banton
FVV - Flynn

A stretch big like Turner with poor rebounding is perfect for the Raptors. Barnes and Siakam are capable of 10+ rebound games and Turner blocks out his match up. Turner spreading the floor on offense helps the half court offense with Barnes and Siakam being able to post up. It also helps FVV and Trent in the lane since they aren't the best finishers.

Winning now isn't important but the development experience Barnes, Banton, Flynn, and Achiuwa would get from playing playoff minutes would be instrumental in their next season.

[Psubs]

Turner for Dragic + 2022 1st (top 5 protected).

**** no, we're keeping this year's pick.

Has to be Precious going with Dragic (expiring) then? Might have to add Flynn (rookie contract)

Precious, Flynn and Dragic for (Turner or Sabonis) and Brad Wanamaker?

[billy_hoyle]

not a fan of trading for either player, unless for some reason they're willing to just salary dump them. If we're going to give up assets for a big man, it better be a star. Otherwise, just find bigs from the bargain bin and keep working on developing our own young guys.

Who wins with bargain bin bigs? Examples?

I actually think the opposite. I think the star bigs are cost prohibitive, and the gains aren't worth the max dollars, because they aren't usually closers. Joker and Embiid are the exceptions.

Ibaka and Gasol were a perfect example of having avg 5s that were able to win or nullify the 5 match up most games. Turner is in that tier.


I'm happy to pass on Turner if we had a plan to go after Bamba or draft a big, but that doesn't seem completely within our control.

[WaltFrazier]

Not a fan of Turner, he has a 25 pt game and gets some nice blocks and rebounds and than he goes for 5 pts and 2 rebounds the next two games, he is very inconsistent. Not sure how i feel about Sabonis though, he is an all-star center but if his defense sucks like some of you are saying maybe he wouldn't be a good fit.

His defense may be not as good as Precious or Khem but his offense is 1000 times better. Surely we have room for an offensive player on this team.

Levert would be great too, an NBA scorer.

[will]

Not a fan of Turner, he has a 25 pt game and gets some nice blocks and rebounds and than he goes for 5 pts and 2 rebounds the next two games, he is very inconsistent. Not sure how i feel about Sabonis though, he is an all-star center but if his defense sucks like some of you are saying maybe he wouldn't be a good fit.

His defense may be not as good as Precious or Khem but his offense is 1000 times better. Surely we have room for an offensive player on this team.

Levert would be great too, an NBA scorer.

Geezus, its only a matter of even playing half a season for LeVert which is the challenge.

Guy is always hurt. What a big time scorer though.

[tecumseh18]

not a fan of trading for either player, unless for some reason they're willing to just salary dump them. If we're going to give up assets for a big man, it better be a star. Otherwise, just find bigs from the bargain bin and keep working on developing our own young guys.

Who wins with bargain bin bigs? Examples?

I actually think the opposite. I think the star bigs are cost prohibitive, and the gains aren't worth the max dollars, because they aren't usually closers. Joker and Embiid are the exceptions.

Ibaka and Gasol were a perfect example of having avg 5s that were able to win or nullify the 5 match up most games. Turner is in that tier.


I'm happy to pass on Turner if we had a plan to go after Bamba or draft a big, but that doesn't seem completely within our control.

The "plan" is to wait until the target C becomes available for cheap. That's what it was to get Serge, but even then we had to trade a lottery pick (T-Ross, NBD) and a late first. It was the worse of our two picks in the 20s in 2017, allowing us to draft OG with the better one. Of course the Magic muffed their selection, but it could have been Kuzma.

My sense is that the eventual trade is going to be for Mo Bamba. But if Turner's price drops, it will be him. And yes, a draft pick and prospect (probably Flynn) is going the other way, along with salary ballast.

[Indeed]

I'd offer Trent, Flynn, Boucher and 2 2nds (or if they prefer Goran's expiring to Boucher and Flynn) for Lavert and Turner.

Lavert could be a valuable bench player for us.

But we will be over the tax next year. Dont be too greedy.

Incorrect. We would be at 114,357,990 for 10 players with an expected tax line of 140 million. We would have 25 million to fill the last 5 spots. That is a very good cap situation.

Whether or not the trade proposal is realistic is another question.

We will be 10m over the tax this year (if the trade is Trent + Flynn + Boucher + 2nd picks for LaVert + Turner + vet min roster spot), and 132.6m for 11 players next year (140m tax line).

[Badonkadonk]

I would trade OG for Turner + 1st to balance out the roster. Turner and OG are also the same age so it wouldn't be too bad of a swap especially if the Raptors get back a protected first. OG has a high value now and could be traded for more than he is actually worth. He is not able to handle a big offensive load and his awkward offense will be worse against tighter defenses in the playoffs.

Pacers are entering a rebuild, they're looking to acquire 1sts, not trade them away. That, plus OG being significantly more valuable than Turner, makes this a non-starter.

I honestly don't see a fit between the teams - they're both sacrificing short-term for the long-term, don't see either side including picks or doing anything to win sooner.

[WaltFrazier]

Masai would be stupid not to look into this. Nobody wants to be a losing team for the next 3 years for a rebuild that might not even work out.

This would allow the raps to play the way I think they really want to. With the supersized line up. The turner, siakam, Barnes, OG, Fred line up would attack opposing 2 guards and under sized 3’s.

If you have a shot at trying the big line up now, you do it.

We could try that big lineup now, with Birch or Achiuwa at C, and the other four you said. I know Turner would be even better, but so far Nick has shown no inclination to use that. I hope when OG comes back he will.

[Dalek]

Myles Turner is an elite shotblocker and is 1st in block% and does pretty much hold up Indy's iffy defense who has Sabonis and Levert not doing too much on that end. Turner is also 9th in box-outs. So for a poor defensive rebounding team, he'd also help.

I'd do Siakam for Turner in a heartbeat because he adds something different to Toronto which we lack with Pascal. No offense to Siakam's contributions, but having a stretch five who defends like Turner is a perfect fit for the way Toronto wants to play. We don't have to play the overlapping forwards like we do at present.

The other consideration is another playoff team swooping in. Boston has always liked Turner and that would be a bigger headache for Toronto if they got better.

Toronto won a title in part because they had elite frontcourt defenders in Ibaka and Gasol. Turner offers a All-NBA first team defense type who will compliment FVV, OG and allows Scottie to extend himself a bit more.

Boston apparently turned down a Myles Turner, Doug McDermott and a 1st (!) for Gordon Hayward in a sign in trade. (Granted, it was Ainge at the time.)

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/gordon-hayward-myles-turner-and-the-celtics-failed-sign-and-trade-that-could-end-up-being-a-big-mistake/

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/11/24/myles-turner-celtics-pacers-gordon-hayward-sign-and-trade-nba-rumors-danny-ainge/

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/lc8pyn/danny_ainge_reportedly_didnt_want_myles_turner/

Ainge wasn't giving away any picks or players he liked. Boston is where they are now because he was afraid to swing a deal unless it was one-sided. Stevens seems riskier, but I am not sure if the interest will still be there for Turner.

The main hitch for Toronto will be where Indy is at. If they want to strictly rebuild then picks and expirings are what they will want - not Siakam or another established star. I don't know if Toronto is ready to go all-in on Turner.

[720]

Not a fan of Turner, he has a 25 pt game and gets some nice blocks and rebounds and than he goes for 5 pts and 2 rebounds the next two games, he is very inconsistent. Not sure how i feel about Sabonis though, he is an all-star center but if his defense sucks like some of you are saying maybe he wouldn't be a good fit.

His defense may be not as good as Precious or Khem but his offense is 1000 times better. Surely we have room for an offensive player on this team.

Levert would be great too, an NBA scorer.

Geezus, its only a matter of even playing half a season for LeVert which is the challenge.

Guy is always hurt. What a big time scorer though.

He has been ass at scoring most of this season. Doesn't look like his usual self. You guys are still thinking about Brooklyn version of Caris.

[OakleyDokely]

Im surprised at the number of people that are interested in Turner and are okay with giving up legit assets like our 1st this year (which could still be top 10) along with paying Turner 25 millon a year. He's going to be looking for an Allen type deal after next year. All this for a guy who isn't a dominant defender and who is wildly inconsistent offensively.

I will take my chances with a Masai 1st round pick on a rookie deal.

[seanbig]

Do they want Siakam for Turner+? That swap would instantly balance out this team, as I mentioned in the other thread. He is basically the perfect fit here.

How do you convince a rebuilding team that Siakam and his max money would be a good fit. Do they have anyone else who fits this roster that they can add to this trade?

Maybe they want Bjork back…lol

I kid I kid

[CANsportsguru]

Rebuild means that they're going to be after picks or young assets in return for anything. We're not giving up Barnes or OG. Pascal and FVV isn't going to entice them. Our pick this year could be of some value but do we really want to give that up? I really don't see a trade happening here.

[SurgeIblocka]

Not worth trading for him now, maybe last year would have made sense with Lowry on the team to see if we could get in the playoffs and make noise.

First off if we trade for Turner, does that make us a team that will pass the second round? That is a resounding NO.

We will consolidate assets and picks only for a star 1A player to replace what Siakam was suppose to be.


We need franchise talent and no one on the pacers is that and we shouldn’t be giving up picks that could impact the team more than Turner.

We need talent at the level of Harden, Lillard etc. if we can get a player like that then we go all in with assets, otherwise we should keep trying our luck in the draft and development for the the next two years.

We bring in a turner or sabonis or levert, only thing that happens is we get a lower draft pick because we win more games but end up getting beat up by Nets, Philly, Bucks, Heat or Bulls in the playoffs. Unless a trade brings us to their level, we shouldn’t be making it.

[dkb965]

How about Sabonis/Holiday for Anunoby/Boucher?

VanVleet/Banton/Flynn
Trent JR/Mykhailiuk/Holiday/Johnson
Barnes/Watanable/Champagine
Siakam/Achiuwa/Bonga
Sabonis/Birch

Brogdon/McConnel/Wanamaker
LeVert/Duarte/Lamb
Anunoby/Craig/Brissett
Warren/Boucher/Jackson/Martin
Turner/Bitdaze

[Tor_Raps]

Unless the Pacers are cool with Trent jr and Precious for Turner, I don't see a trade happening. We're not really in a win now mode so we don't have to force a trade that doesn't favour us.

[aroc23]

Unless the Pacers are cool with Trent jr and Precious for Turner, I don't see a trade happening. We're not really in a win now mode so we don't have to force a trade that doesn't favour us.

I would do that trade. Try OG at the 2 and have him space the floor more than post up like he has been doing. Believe it or not Turner only takes 1.8 fewer threes per 36 (and only makes 0.5 fewer per 36).

I would feel differently if GTJ was signed for longer, but the reality is we might lose him after next season anyway to a big offer sheet.

[720]

Turner for Dragic + 2022 1st (top 5 protected).

**** no, we're keeping this year's pick.

Has to be Precious going with Dragic (expiring) then? Might have to add Flynn (rookie contract)

Precious, Flynn and Dragic for (Turner or Sabonis) and Brad Wanamaker?

The Pacers might consider that if they're high on Precious.

[Raptorfan2012]

For people who say don't trade young assets for Turner because we are not in a win-no move, Turner is only 25 years old; he still has some room to grow and fits in well with our timeline.