Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[shangrila]

Money-wise all of Prince, Okogie, Beasley and Layman would be enough to cover both Turner and Levert without either team going into the lux. Then just season with picks.

Turner I love and while I understand why people don't like Levert I do think someone like him who can create for himself is better in theory as a 6th man than someone like Beasley who is so absurdly reliant on others to generate his offence.

I do think we'll have to overpay even to just get Turner at this point. If they're having a sale there will be a LOT of buyers, especially for either Turner or Sabonis.

[winforlose]

Personally, I would do this in a heartbeat. Next step is probably to convert Knight to a minimum special contract (I know there is a term for it but we will call it the Naz deal,) and now we are back to 14. Or in the alternative I would offer the nets salary relief using our exemption and take Blake Griffin without giving anything back. If the Nets say no I make the same offer to Boston for Pritchard. He is a failed #1 at this point being virtually unplayable, and they might rather have the tax savings.

[NebWolvesFan]

I don't see the Wolves making any moves until Game 41 at the earliest. They need to know where their first round pick will land. If they are still in playoff positioning and it looks like they won't be a top-10 team, they could offer a first round pick with top-6, 7 protection and it would have great value (potentially a lottery top-14 pick).

[Baseline81]

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[Calinks]

If the wolves give up a frp I don’t think Nance should be the target. He does not move the needle much at all.

I don't know man. I think he helps fills a lot of holes we need. Also I don't think a lotto pick is a huge ask, we miss the playoffs we keep it, we make the playoffs we probably aren't sweating it too much,

[winforlose]

If the wolves give up a frp I don’t think Nance should be the target. He does not move the needle much at all.

I don't know man. I think he helps fills a lot of holes we need. Also I don't think a lotto pick is a huge ask, we miss the playoffs we keep it, we make the playoffs we probably aren't sweating it too much,

Nance is a good player and would be a good band aid for us. The problem is we have a bullet wound. Beasley, Prince, MCD, Leo, JO, even V8, they don’t score consistently at anticipated levels. Add to that inconsistency from Ant game to game and Dlo’s shooting collapse, and we simply cannot afford to use picks on anything less than a consistent 15-20 a night player with significant rebounding.

The reason I would gladly give two firsts and the above listed players (the firsts would be protected probably top 10 or lotto,) is that LeVert makes up for what you lose in Beasley, and Turner not only surpasses the scoring production of the other 3 combined, but also fills in a lot of what we were expecting from MCD and Prince.

Nance, even at his most productive he is around 10 points per game on average 3 point shooting and average to above average 2 point shooting. He also isn’t the rim protector that Turner is.

Though to be honest I would be just as happy using those same players and draft capital on Wood and Theis.

[IceManBK1]

forget simmons..beasley+Okogie for Turner. Do it...

[IceManBK1]

Edwards+Beasley+Prince for Simmons, Danny Green and Maxey..yes or no? no picks involved..i think that'll make us more equipped for the playoffs.
Dlo/Maxey/Bolmaro
Beverly/Okogie/Novell
Green/McDaniels/Layman
Simmons/Vanderbilt
Towns/Reid

[shrink]

ESPN put together a possible trade for Larry Nance Jr. Think it was a lottery-protected first and Josh Okogie, I think that's a pretty good low key move if we could do it. Nance brings a lot of thing we need to the table. I'd be looking at a big like that, I like Nance cause he wont cost a lot, I think we have some nice pieces that could fit well do I don't want to give up huge assets but we may have to to get the kind of big I think we need.

I am a fan of Nance. He’s a good team guy, he’s a good defender and tries hard no matter who he needs to defend. He is also a reasonable three point shooter, and doesn’t require a lot of usage.

The problem is that he’s only 6’7”, so he seems more like the Rosas “big wing” PF. I wouldn’t mind adding him if we could get him cheaply, and I think he would help, but I think the team needs more size than this to solve their big problems. I wouldn’t give up a 1st that we might need elsewhere.

[shrink]

Edwards+Beasley+Prince for Simmons, Danny Green and Maxey..yes or no? no picks involved..i think that'll make us more equipped for the playoffs.

I can’t see any way MIN trades Edwards, especially for Simmons at this point.

forget simmons..beasley+Okogie for Turner. Do it...

I much prefer this. It would take a pick or two.

[winforlose]

Edwards+Beasley+Prince for Simmons, Danny Green and Maxey..yes or no? no picks involved..i think that'll make us more equipped for the playoffs.
Dlo/Maxey/Bolmaro
Beverly/Okogie/Novell
Green/McDaniels/Layman
Simmons/Vanderbilt
Towns/Reid

Philly wouldn’t be happy about this, but I would trade Ant if Curry replaced Green in the deal. Oh and I would offer them a 2nd for Paul Reed if they are inclined to trade him.

Dlo/Beverly
Curry/Maxey, Bolmaro
V8/MCD/JO
Simmons/Reid
KAT/Reid

Why 76ers do this, they get a young stud with huge upside to play alongside Harris and Embiid. Beasley replaces Curry as an inferior model, and Prince can play some minutes at the 4 in a pinch. They get a great contract in Ant in exchange for a paying more in the Beasley/Curry swap.

Wolves can afford to play Beverly less minutes (keeps him healthy,) and use Maxey and Dlo together when Curry is on the bench. Gives good flexibility and great size when V8, Simmons, and KAT are on the floor together. Curry is a massive upgrade to Beasley, and Simmons replaces the attacking you lose with Ant. Maxey gives us PG depth and is an upcoming shooter.

[Wolf_Cry]

Turner is nice, but Sabonis would be even better. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyxfcvyu

Beverly - Leo - NOT McLaughlin (Nowell?)
Ant - Beasley
Vando - Lamb - Prince
Simmons - Big Mac - Prince
Sabonis - Reid

A true run and gun team with insane defensive versatility. Yes, over all the trade machine nets zero wins/losses, but this team has more potential and again, is more versatile as our 3-5 can cover nearly anyone on the floor. Hire me, I only require 20 McNuggets for a solid 15 minutes of contribution daily.

[Nick K]

Turner is nice, but Sabonis would be even better. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyxfcvyu

Beverly - Leo - NOT McLaughlin (Nowell?)
Ant - Beasley
Vando - Lamb - Prince
Simmons - Big Mac - Prince
Sabonis - Reid

A true run and gun team with insane defensive versatility. Yes, over all the trade machine nets zero wins/losses, but this team has more potential and again, is more versatile as our 3-5 can cover nearly anyone on the floor. Hire me, I only require 20 McNuggets for a solid 15 minutes of contribution daily.

Yes, Yes!! Sabonis is the guy to go after. Perfect fit here next to Towns. Scoring and rebounding inside galore. Towns won't have to take the beating he takes now.

I'd give up a protected 1st and any player on our roster not Ant or Dlo or Kat. That's how much I like him.

[Wolf_Cry]

Turner is nice, but Sabonis would be even better. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyxfcvyu

Beverly - Leo - NOT McLaughlin (Nowell?)
Ant - Beasley
Vando - Lamb - Prince
Simmons - Big Mac - Prince
Sabonis - Reid

A true run and gun team with insane defensive versatility. Yes, over all the trade machine nets zero wins/losses, but this team has more potential and again, is more versatile as our 3-5 can cover nearly anyone on the floor. Hire me, I only require 20 McNuggets for a solid 15 minutes of contribution daily.

Yes, Yes!! Sabonis is the guy to go after. Perfect fit here next to Towns. Scoring and rebounding inside galore. Towns won't have to take the beating he takes now.

I'd give up a protected 1st and any player on our roster not Ant or Dlo or Kat. That's how much I like him.

Heheh, yeah. But in this scenario I traded KAT for him

[Nick K]

Turner is nice, but Sabonis would be even better. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyxfcvyu

Beverly - Leo - NOT McLaughlin (Nowell?)
Ant - Beasley
Vando - Lamb - Prince
Simmons - Big Mac - Prince
Sabonis - Reid

A true run and gun team with insane defensive versatility. Yes, over all the trade machine nets zero wins/losses, but this team has more potential and again, is more versatile as our 3-5 can cover nearly anyone on the floor. Hire me, I only require 20 McNuggets for a solid 15 minutes of contribution daily.

Yes, Yes!! Sabonis is the guy to go after. Perfect fit here next to Towns. Scoring and rebounding inside galore. Towns won't have to take the beating he takes now.

I'd give up a protected 1st and any player on our roster not Ant or Dlo or Kat. That's how much I like him.

Heheh, yeah. But in this scenario I traded KAT for him

You're killing me!

[shangrila]

Sabonis and KAT would be a train wreck defensively and I don't think we can afford to go back down that path.

Turner is the play. He's the better defender and better shooter while still being a great rebounder. The only part of his game that he significantly falls behind Sabonis is in AST% but he makes up ground with his absurd BLK% (leads the league, in fact).

Given how we play and our needs, I don't see why we'd try rocking the boat enough with Sabonis when a far better fit is potentially available in Turner.

[Wolf_Cry]

Sabonis and KAT would be a train wreck defensively and I don't think we can afford to go back down that path.

Turner is the play. He's the better defender and better shooter while still being a great rebounder. The only part of his game that he significantly falls behind Sabonis is in AST% but he makes up ground with his absurd BLK% (leads the league, in fact).

Given how we play and our needs, I don't see why we'd try rocking the boat enough with Sabonis when a far better fit is potentially available in Turner.

I keep harping about putting KAT at the 4 like Nowitzki, but realistically, does anyone see that working out? KAT + Turner front court means we'll be the slowest team in the league. Can KAT guard PF's and other wings when he has to go out to the perimeter? Well to be fair, he can't really guard anyone...so I guess it's worth a shot.

[winforlose]

Sabonis and KAT would be a train wreck defensively and I don't think we can afford to go back down that path.

Turner is the play. He's the better defender and better shooter while still being a great rebounder. The only part of his game that he significantly falls behind Sabonis is in AST% but he makes up ground with his absurd BLK% (leads the league, in fact).

Given how we play and our needs, I don't see why we'd try rocking the boat enough with Sabonis when a far better fit is potentially available in Turner.

I keep harping about putting KAT at the 4 like Nowitzki, but realistically, does anyone see that working out? KAT + Turner front court means we'll be the slowest team in the league. Can KAT guard PF's and other wings when he has to go out to the perimeter? Well to be fair, he can't really guard anyone...so I guess it's worth a shot.

I am sorry but I 100% disagree. KAT is much faster since the weight loss and less able to box out big Cs. Meanwhile Turner is the perfect companion (almost perfect as he doesn’t create much off the dribble,) given that he stretches the floor and gives Ant room to work on offense. Having the league best shot blocker more than makes up for the speed component. As for rebounding, Turner is not elite by the numbers, but Sabonis is and Turner shares the floor with him. This means we don’t know what we are getting from Turner in that department. All in all a massive upgrade if it costs us draft capital along with Beasley, Prince and the end of the bench guys.

[Wolf_Cry]

Sabonis and KAT would be a train wreck defensively and I don't think we can afford to go back down that path.

Turner is the play. He's the better defender and better shooter while still being a great rebounder. The only part of his game that he significantly falls behind Sabonis is in AST% but he makes up ground with his absurd BLK% (leads the league, in fact).

Given how we play and our needs, I don't see why we'd try rocking the boat enough with Sabonis when a far better fit is potentially available in Turner.

I keep harping about putting KAT at the 4 like Nowitzki, but realistically, does anyone see that working out? KAT + Turner front court means we'll be the slowest team in the league. Can KAT guard PF's and other wings when he has to go out to the perimeter? Well to be fair, he can't really guard anyone...so I guess it's worth a shot.

I am sorry but I 100% disagree. KAT is much faster since the weight loss and less able to box out big Cs. Meanwhile Turner is the perfect companion (almost perfect as he doesn’t create much off the dribble,) given that he stretches the floor and gives Ant room to work on offense. Having the league best shot blocker more than makes up for the speed component. As for rebounding, Turner is not elite by the numbers, but Sabonis is and Turner shares the floor with him. This means we don’t know what we are getting from Turner in that department. All in all a massive upgrade if it costs us draft capital along with Beasley, Prince and the end of the bench guys.

KAT being much faster due to weight loss is still pretty slow. He will have to guard guys like Giannis, Randles, and Siakam on a nightly basis, and those guys are much more mobile. That said, it isn't the end all be all if KAT can learn to be a smart defender like Dirk. He might've been just as slow as KAT, but Dirk was always in the right position using his length, had a hand up, and gave effort. KAT has the length, but his BBIQ is awful and the effort isn't always there.

[shangrila]

Sabonis and KAT would be a train wreck defensively and I don't think we can afford to go back down that path.

Turner is the play. He's the better defender and better shooter while still being a great rebounder. The only part of his game that he significantly falls behind Sabonis is in AST% but he makes up ground with his absurd BLK% (leads the league, in fact).

Given how we play and our needs, I don't see why we'd try rocking the boat enough with Sabonis when a far better fit is potentially available in Turner.

I keep harping about putting KAT at the 4 like Nowitzki, but realistically, does anyone see that working out? KAT + Turner front court means we'll be the slowest team in the league. Can KAT guard PF's and other wings when he has to go out to the perimeter? Well to be fair, he can't really guard anyone...so I guess it's worth a shot.

The idea would be that Turner would cover a lot of those assignments.

It's not perfect, but then again "perfect" is a unicorn. Like a 6-10ish, long, athletic 4 that can slide down to the 5 or switch on the perimeter and hit 3s? That's what everyone is hunting for these days and you can probably count those players on 1 hand.

But a 3 man rotation of KAT, Turner and Vando should cover us for just about anything.