2021-2022 Regular Season Game 25: Orlando Magic (5-19) at Golden State Warriors (19-4) - 12/6/21 - 10pm ET

[Skybox]

With today's announcement that IND is open for business...GSW would have no problem assembling a couple of those young assets for Turner, if that's who they want.

[Rainwater]

You are completely Kerr and Green are great examples. Maybe I am just looking at it from a player's perspective. Just watching Kuminga for 12 mins you can tell he is massively talented. It must be difficult just sitting on the bench and not contributing.

Well certainly he'd rather be playing than not.

But Kuminga averaging 20 PPG on poor efficiency with no consequences for his decision making or shot selection on a terrible Magic team isn't likely to be all that great for his long-term outlook.

I always wonder what would have happened with Andrew Wiggins had the Cavs not traded him for Kevin Love. Had he been forced to learn and develop on a great team rather than be sent off to Minnesota where nothing mattered and he had free reign to do whatever.

It took Wiggins 7 or 8 years to stop being a net negative.

If you're a transcendent guy like LeBron or Durant, then obviously it doesn't matter where you go because you're that special. But there's only so many guys like that on planet earth. For most players, their surroundings ultimately matter a lot.

We could agree to disagree but I think players are going to be the players they are meant to be if given the opportunity, if that makes sense. I believe Wiggins would have eventually become the player we see now, it was just a matter of time. Although, it could also be that Wiggins just found the right system for his skills. He now plays for a team where they are not asking him to be the main guy.

[pepe1991]

You are completely Kerr and Green are great examples. Maybe I am just looking at it from a player's perspective. Just watching Kuminga for 12 mins you can tell he is massively talented. It must be difficult just sitting on the bench and not contributing.

Well certainly he'd rather be playing than not.

But Kuminga averaging 20 PPG on poor efficiency with no consequences for his decision making or shot selection on a terrible Magic team isn't likely to be all that great for his long-term outlook.

I always wonder what would have happened with Andrew Wiggins had the Cavs not traded him for Kevin Love. Had he been forced to learn and develop on a great team rather than be sent off to Minnesota where nothing mattered and he had free reign to do whatever.

It took Wiggins 7 or 8 years to stop being a net negative.

If you're a transcendent guy like LeBron or Durant, then obviously it doesn't matter where you go because you're that special. But there's only so many guys like that on planet earth. For most players, their surroundings ultimately matter a lot.

We could agree to disagree but I think players are going to be the players they are meant to be if given the opportunity, if that makes sense. I believe Wiggins would have eventually become the player we see now, it was just a matter of time. Although, it could also be that Wiggins just found the right system for his skills. He now plays for a team where they are not asking him to be the main guy.

Wiggins thing is just maturity.

That's why draft hardly ever works as system to build contender. You draft teenager and make him millionaire. On top of that most teams who draft within top 3 are worthless , so they give those kids "keys". SO 19 years old millionaire owns your franchise. And ofc it brings s*** loud of bad habits, on and off court. 4 years fly buy, and guy still is very young. Team has to exstend him on max. They do. Within next year or two, players finally starts to mature, but no longer is interested to play for same team, since he has been doing it for 7 years and grass is always greener on other side of a fence. He leaves and reaches his potential on other team, with either smaller role or better fit. This scenario happened with: George, Durant, Lebron, Davis, Chris Paul, kind a with Harden but sooner, Kawhi, Butler.. is happening with Simmons and you can bet everything that Lillard and Jokić won't be wating for their teams much longer.

DUncan and DIrk are only high lottery picks that won finals MVp for their teams. Both are in mid 40s and retired.

[orlando_joe]

Well certainly he'd rather be playing than not.

But Kuminga averaging 20 PPG on poor efficiency with no consequences for his decision making or shot selection on a terrible Magic team isn't likely to be all that great for his long-term outlook.

I always wonder what would have happened with Andrew Wiggins had the Cavs not traded him for Kevin Love. Had he been forced to learn and develop on a great team rather than be sent off to Minnesota where nothing mattered and he had free reign to do whatever.

It took Wiggins 7 or 8 years to stop being a net negative.

If you're a transcendent guy like LeBron or Durant, then obviously it doesn't matter where you go because you're that special. But there's only so many guys like that on planet earth. For most players, their surroundings ultimately matter a lot.

We could agree to disagree but I think players are going to be the players they are meant to be if given the opportunity, if that makes sense. I believe Wiggins would have eventually become the player we see now, it was just a matter of time. Although, it could also be that Wiggins just found the right system for his skills. He now plays for a team where they are not asking him to be the main guy.

Wiggins thing is just maturity.

That's why draft hardly ever works as system to build contender. You draft teenager and make him millionaire. On top of that most teams who draft within top 3 are worthless , so they give those kids "keys". SO 19 years old millionaire owns your franchise. And ofc it brings s*** loud of bad habits, on and off court. 4 years fly buy, and guy still is very young. Team has to exstend him on max. They do. Within next year or two, players finally starts to mature, but no longer is interested to play for same team, since he has been doing it for 7 years and grass is always greener on other side of a fence. He leaves and reaches his potential on other team, with either smaller role or better fit. This scenario happened with: George, Durant, Lebron, Davis, Chris Paul, kind a with Harden but sooner, Kawhi, Butler.. is happening with Simmons and you can bet everything that Lillard and Jokić won't be wating for their teams much longer.

DUncan and DIrk are only high lottery picks that won finals MVp for their teams. Both are in mid 40s and retired.

what about the greek freek? or curry? did wade? kobe mj..ect...ect

[pepe1991]

We could agree to disagree but I think players are going to be the players they are meant to be if given the opportunity, if that makes sense. I believe Wiggins would have eventually become the player we see now, it was just a matter of time. Although, it could also be that Wiggins just found the right system for his skills. He now plays for a team where they are not asking him to be the main guy.

Wiggins thing is just maturity.

That's why draft hardly ever works as system to build contender. You draft teenager and make him millionaire. On top of that most teams who draft within top 3 are worthless , so they give those kids "keys". SO 19 years old millionaire owns your franchise. And ofc it brings s*** loud of bad habits, on and off court. 4 years fly buy, and guy still is very young. Team has to exstend him on max. They do. Within next year or two, players finally starts to mature, but no longer is interested to play for same team, since he has been doing it for 7 years and grass is always greener on other side of a fence. He leaves and reaches his potential on other team, with either smaller role or better fit. This scenario happened with: George, Durant, Lebron, Davis, Chris Paul, kind a with Harden but sooner, Kawhi, Butler.. is happening with Simmons and you can bet everything that Lillard and Jokić won't be wating for their teams much longer.

DUncan and DIrk are only high lottery picks that won finals MVp for their teams. Both are in mid 40s and retired.

what about the greek freek? or curry? did wade? kobe mj..ect...ect

Giannis wasnt lottery pick. Kobe was drafted 25 years ago. Now kids are different.
Curry was drafted to booming market that turned into one of biggest markets over years...
MJ is retired for longer than current rookies are alive

[orlando_joe]

Wiggins thing is just maturity.

That's why draft hardly ever works as system to build contender. You draft teenager and make him millionaire. On top of that most teams who draft within top 3 are worthless , so they give those kids "keys". SO 19 years old millionaire owns your franchise. And ofc it brings s*** loud of bad habits, on and off court. 4 years fly buy, and guy still is very young. Team has to exstend him on max. They do. Within next year or two, players finally starts to mature, but no longer is interested to play for same team, since he has been doing it for 7 years and grass is always greener on other side of a fence. He leaves and reaches his potential on other team, with either smaller role or better fit. This scenario happened with: George, Durant, Lebron, Davis, Chris Paul, kind a with Harden but sooner, Kawhi, Butler.. is happening with Simmons and you can bet everything that Lillard and Jokić won't be wating for their teams much longer.

DUncan and DIrk are only high lottery picks that won finals MVp for their teams. Both are in mid 40s and retired.

what about the greek freek? or curry? did wade? kobe mj..ect...ect

Giannis wasnt lottery pick. Kobe was drafted 25 years ago. Now kids are different.
Curry was drafted to booming market that turned into one of biggest markets over years...
MJ is retired for longer than current rookies are alive

i agree with you big time.dirk and duncan retired to...lol...did not think dirk was that high? i would trust not american guys to stay and not demand trade.. to be more loyal..and its not close