[Charania] Pacers Open To Trading Myles Turner Or Damontas Sabonis

[TRik]

Easy pass. But I can talk myself into Turner for the right price though.

Lol. So not an easy pass then.

[God Squad]

Easy pass. But I can talk myself into Turner for the right price though.

Lol. So not an easy pass then.

Yes easy pass. The Pacers aren't accepting Dragic/Boucher/Flynn package for Turner/Sabonis. Those are the only assets I'm willing to part with right now.

In reality the Pacers are gonna ask for either OG/Pascal and multiple draft picks. In which case it's an easy pass.

[TeamDisgruntled]

Easy pass. But I can talk myself into Turner for the right price though.

Lol. So not an easy pass then.

Yes easy pass. The Pacers aren't accepting Dragic/Boucher/Flynn package for Turner/Sabonis. Those are the only assets I'm willing to part with right now.

In reality the Pacers are gonna ask for either OG/Pascal and multiple draft picks. In which case it's an easy pass.

Meh, I’d do Trent and Flynn for Turner without a ton of thought.

[God Squad]

Lol. So not an easy pass then.

Yes easy pass. The Pacers aren't accepting Dragic/Boucher/Flynn package for Turner/Sabonis. Those are the only assets I'm willing to part with right now.

In reality the Pacers are gonna ask for either OG/Pascal and multiple draft picks. In which case it's an easy pass.

Meh, I’d do Trent and Flynn for Turner without a ton of thought.

I'd probably also add Trent to the list for Turner, but again why would the Pacers take that package? Seems like Rap fans living in la la land. Ya'll know you wouldn't take that package either. IMO they would most likely ask for Pascal, OG or FVV as a starting point with picks and filler.

[TeamDisgruntled]

Yes easy pass. The Pacers aren't accepting Dragic/Boucher/Flynn package for Turner/Sabonis. Those are the only assets I'm willing to part with right now.

In reality the Pacers are gonna ask for either OG/Pascal and multiple draft picks. In which case it's an easy pass.

Meh, I’d do Trent and Flynn for Turner without a ton of thought.

I'd probably also add Trent to the list for Turner, but again why would the Pacers take that package? Seems like Rap fans living in la la land. Ya'll know you wouldn't take that package either. IMO they would most likely ask for Pascal, OG or FVV as a starting point with picks and filler.

I have no disillusions about the viability of any trades the raptors would be actually willing to do. I’m just saying there’s a world in which you could come up with something. The raptors are in a weird place. With Dragic sitting at home, we are one of the youngest teams in the league. But we have a core of young vets and a budding superstar in Barnes, who I’m sure all want to win ASAP.

[Indeed]

Yes easy pass. The Pacers aren't accepting Dragic/Boucher/Flynn package for Turner/Sabonis. Those are the only assets I'm willing to part with right now.

In reality the Pacers are gonna ask for either OG/Pascal and multiple draft picks. In which case it's an easy pass.

Meh, I’d do Trent and Flynn for Turner without a ton of thought.

I'd probably also add Trent to the list for Turner, but again why would the Pacers take that package? Seems like Rap fans living in la la land. Ya'll know you wouldn't take that package either. IMO they would most likely ask for Pascal, OG or FVV as a starting point with picks and filler.

I suppose Carlisle wants to have a run and gun team, and Trent, Achiuwa, Flynn, etc. would work for him, instead of Sabonis, LeVert, etc. who plays a slow pace game.

I think Dallas could be a better trading partner.

[wegotthabeet]

**** no, we're keeping this year's pick.

That's actually a pretty solid offer for both teams. This draft looks pretty mediocre/below average. 2 games back of 6th as of now and Turner probably pushes the Raptors to that range.

Vanvleet - Banton
Anunoby - Trent Jr
Barnes - Watanabe
Siakam - Achiuwa
Turner - Birch

I really like this draft and there are a number of really interesting prospects in the lottery that I would be extremely hesitant to send to Indy. I'd trade Siakam because it gives both teams a starting player without a loss of any picks and the timelines are the same when they hit FA.

Draft picks can equate to superstars, especially within the lottery range. At the very least you are getting a controllable player for a few years. Turner is a free agent in 2023. You burn a lotto pick for 1.5 years of Turner, you better believe that this is a contender with the move.

Trading Dragic shouldn't cost us anything.

In theory I agree with most of what you wrote, but it's based on the assumption that the above lineup would still end up in the lottery. That's possible, but unlikely in my opinion. I wouldn't trade Siakam for Turner for the same reason you wouldn't trade a potential lotto pick for him. Either he walks in 2023 or you're giving him a pretty big raise and I don't see a scenario where the Raps are vastly improved by making that swap.

Out of curiosity who do you like in the late lotto range?

[Skeezo]

Meh! While Turner would be a nice get, outside of GTJ, we really don't have the pieces. If Indiana is going into rebuild mode, they will not be interested in Siakim, and we are still at a point in our rebuild that we are not about relinquishing draft assets unless it is a player much better than Turner.

[tecumseh18]

Meh! While Turner would be a nice get, outside of GTJ, we really don't have the pieces. If Indiana is going into rebuild mode, they will not be interested in Siakim, and we are still at a point in our rebuild that we are not about relinquishing draft assets unless it is a player much better than Turner.

This is especially true when you look at the Warriors - a legit championship contender with a hole at C, and LOTS of young talent to trade. No point getting into a bidding war with them.

[YogurtProducer]

Yes easy pass. The Pacers aren't accepting Dragic/Boucher/Flynn package for Turner/Sabonis. Those are the only assets I'm willing to part with right now.

In reality the Pacers are gonna ask for either OG/Pascal and multiple draft picks. In which case it's an easy pass.

Meh, I’d do Trent and Flynn for Turner without a ton of thought.

I'd probably also add Trent to the list for Turner, but again why would the Pacers take that package? Seems like Rap fans living in la la land. Ya'll know you wouldn't take that package either. IMO they would most likely ask for Pascal, OG or FVV as a starting point with picks and filler.

You are HIGHLY overvaluing Turner sheeeeesh

OG + picks would be a better haul than James **** Harden got.

[islandboy53]

Dragic will be bought out. People just need to accept this fact.

It's actually not a fact, it's your opinion. I agree that, if the Raptors are unable to find a deal by the deadline, then Dragic will indeed be bought out. That said, I will be shocked if they can't get something for him. They got 2nd rounders for Davis and Thomas last year, and Dragic is easily as valuable as either of them. IMHO, it is extremely likely that Dragic will be moved for assets, not bought out.

Dragic is making 19 million and we would have to attach picks or take back contracts which could put us in the tax this year and next year. the buyout is the last resort, but I highly doubt a team gives up anything for him.

David and thomas were both making nothing last year and were also significantly younger than Dragic so not comparable at all.

Dragic's salary will clearly make him more complicated to move than Davis and Thomas. However, teams - like Dallas, for example - get increasingly desperate as their hopes for the season begin to slide. Others lose an important backup guard to injury and start to slip. All we need is one team to decide that Dragic's experience, veteran savvy and leadership, and whatever scoring he still possesses are worth the gamble. Raptors don't need a lot back, as long as they stay under the tax, and end up with an asset - draft pick, prospect, whatever.

[mademan]

Not a fan of Sabonis. He's not good enough to compensate for being an awkward fit in the NBA.

[Basketball_Jones]

They’d want Scottie and OG. For Gary I’d listen.

[JN]

I wonder how much of Nate's (the coach these guys hated) intel does our management factor into their decision to seriously consider doing a trade like apparently much of this board seems to dream of (well I don't)...

Just finished reading this article by BR: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942713-inside-the-turbulent-tenure-of-indiana-pacers-coach-nate-bjorkgren. Apparently Nate was an assistant in Phoenix and coached TJ Warren there. When TJ heard the news that Nate was going to be the new head coach in Indiana he apparently asked to be traded from the Pacers. The whole article is damning, and it surprises me that our FO would hire him back if half of this stuff is true.

Anyway, none of those Pacers players interest me in the slightest.

I would say the Pacers players not being able to get it done with 3 different coaches in 3 years is the most damning thing (on either the players or management). 2 of those being established veterans with good reps in Mcmillan and Carlisle.

Those articles were largely inside hatchet jobs. Nate is no means near perfect and appears to not be modern day head coach material, but they blew up everything. Hell one of those articles made a big deal that Nate was pro-active and took initiative under Nick Nurse in setting up staff meetings and communications without Nick's clear go ahead, and apparently that was a problem. They described it as Nate "controlling communications". Come on now, WTF.

TJ Warren denied the trade request claim (whether it was true or not)
Raptors including Lowry came to Nate's defence
If it was such an issue the Raptors would not have brought him back.

[And1Skip]

I wonder how much of Nate's (the coach these guys hated) intel does our management factor into their decision to seriously consider doing a trade like apparently much of this board seems to dream of (well I don't)...

Just finished reading this article by BR: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942713-inside-the-turbulent-tenure-of-indiana-pacers-coach-nate-bjorkgren. Apparently Nate was an assistant in Phoenix and coached TJ Warren there. When TJ heard the news that Nate was going to be the new head coach in Indiana he apparently asked to be traded from the Pacers. The whole article is damning, and it surprises me that our FO would hire him back if half of this stuff is true.

Anyway, none of those Pacers players interest me in the slightest.

I would say the Pacers players not being able to get it done with 3 different coaches in 3 years is the most damning thing (on either the players or management). 2 of those being established veterans with good reps in Mcmillan and Carlisle.

Those articles were largely inside hatchet jobs. Nate is no means near perfect and appears to not be modern day head coach material, but they blew up everything. Hell one of those articles made a big deal that Nate was pro-active and took initiative under Nick Nurse in setting up staff meetings and communications without Nick's clear go ahead, and apparently that was a problem. They described it as Nate "controlling communications". Come on now, WTF.

TJ Warren denied the trade request claim (whether it was true or not)
Raptors including Lowry came to Nate's defence
If it was such an issue the Raptors would not have brought him back.

Yep and Nate just came back from coaching Team Canada for a couple of games in the Dominican and there's video clips of the all of the players in the locker room pouring water all over Nate in celebrating their 2 blow-out wins. Don't think he's naturally a bad dude but its more of red flag on the players/management that such an hit job article came out. Its also interesting why they would replace Nate mainly because of his lack of people skills with Rick Carlisle who's always known to have poor people and communication skills.

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[ItsDanger]

Re: Nate, coaches are often fall guys. Its not uncommon for "sources" to let the axe fall on them. Got to blame someone.

I don't see a match trade wise with our team, realistically. Turner is interesting but depends on what management is actually building towards. I'd remind people that Fred & Gary could walk at end of 2023, so need to keep an open perspective on what we should be doing here.

[Dalek]

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For such a talented guy Sabonis doesn't equate to winning despite having the ball in his hands the most. He's like Kevin Love in Minny. Just a good player putting up great numbers on a bad team. They had Nate McMillan, then Nate Bjorkgren, and now poor Carlisle is figuring out what to do building around Sabonis.

Tsarks recently wrote about Turner and it is interesting how Turner is the guy that is always in trade rumours and they never built around him. To me he is like Ibaka, kind of undervalued, but no one his size shoots as many threes and blocks shots. It's like having Chris Boucher who is 30 lbs heavier, and can make shots at 39% from outside. How can a skill set and size like Turner's not be in demand?

[Basketball_Jones]

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For such a talented guy Sabonis doesn't equate to winning despite having the ball in his hands the most. He's like Kevin Love in Minny. Just a good player putting up great numbers on a bad team. They had Nate McMillan, then Nate Bjorkgren, and now poor Carlisle is figuring out what to do building around Sabonis.

Tsarks recently wrote about Turner and it is interesting how Turner is the guy that is always in trade rumours and they never built around him. To me he is like Ibaka, kind of undervalued, but no one his size shoots as many threes and blocks shots. It's like having Chris Boucher who is 30 lbs heavier, and can make shots at 39% from outside. How can a skill set and size like Turner's not be in demand?

Yeah Turner can potentially be an Ibaka type of find, who looked like he was washed up in Orlando. But a lot of that was also his hard work put into his conditioning and offensive game after signing that contract with the raptors.

[D3158]

We would be so fortunate if Indiana took Siakam in exchange for Turner

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