[Charania] Pacers Open To Trading Myles Turner Or Damontas Sabonis

[OakleyDokely]

Depends on the context, Toronto was giving Ibaka $20M+/yr and it didn't hurt them any.

I think if the Raps were a 50+ win team right now and closer to true contention, adding Turner would make more sense to me.

But for a rebuilding team to give up legit young assets for him, when he's never going to be a top 3 or 4 guy on a championship team, doesn't seem very wise to me. He's a guy contending teams should look at especially if they can get him for a filler contract, a 1st and a decent prospect.

20m for starters is pretty much the norm.
Eventually we need an upgrade, holding a bunch of young players who may not be a star may not help us anyway. As long as we are not over paying. Turner will not be putting us into the next level, but neither we are giving up that type of talent in exchange.

As for contender, I think they are more interested in Boucher who has a much smaller contract, and Turner may demand more than a 1st and a decent prospect.

I'd rather give Precious a longer look before we drop 20M+ on a non allstar C.

[Zeno]

How do we not have a game thread?

Games, you're talking games? Not transactions, Not rebuilds. Games, that's what you want to talk about?

[sidsid]

Turner shouldn't be seen as a contending move, but as another guy who can give you lineup flexibility to further development of the core forwards.

We don't have floor spacing options that don't fall into the same set of issues (undersized, box out problems, help D, etc.).

This way you can experiment and play all types of lineups. Turner and Precious together, small shooting lineups, etc.

Trent is the only thing that should be going the other way, and you can find guards easily to replace him. It probably isn't enough, but that's the play.

[goinrogue]

I would do Dragic's contract, Boucher and a lottery protected first for Sabonis in a heartbeat.

A FVV, Barnes, OG, Siakam, Sabonis starting lineup with Trent, Svi, Banton, Birch, Precious, Yuta off bench with Flynn spot minutes I think can get us into the playoffs and will set us up for flexibility and development.

Why would we get him for a mid first and salary filler? Indiana would be doing us a favour taking on Chris Boucher and goran.

[hyper316]

Turner shouldn't be seen as a contending move, but as another guy who can give you lineup flexibility to further development of the core forwards.

We don't have floor spacing options that don't fall into the same set of issues (undersized, box out problems, help D, etc.).

This way you can experiment and play all types of lineups. Turner and Precious together, small shooting lineups, etc.

Trent is the only thing that should be going the other way, and you can find guards easily to replace him. It probably isn't enough, but that's the play.

I find Trent very valuable to the raptors, out of all the guys Trent can create on his own the best. He is also playing extremely well on the defensive end. I don't think he is easy to find/replace

The only way I see Pacers would sniff at raptors is if we part with Achiuwa. A cheap big and controllable for many years. Not sure how Masai would feel trading away his home grown GOA camper

[sidsid]

Turner shouldn't be seen as a contending move, but as another guy who can give you lineup flexibility to further development of the core forwards.

We don't have floor spacing options that don't fall into the same set of issues (undersized, box out problems, help D, etc.).

This way you can experiment and play all types of lineups. Turner and Precious together, small shooting lineups, etc.

Trent is the only thing that should be going the other way, and you can find guards easily to replace him. It probably isn't enough, but that's the play.

I find Trent very valuable to the raptors, out of all the guys Trent can create on his own the best. He is also playing extremely well on the defensive end. I don't think he is easy to find/replace

The only way I see Pacers would sniff at raptors is if we part with Achiuwa. A cheap big and controllable for many years. Not sure how Masai would feel trading away his home grown GOA camper

Yeah I don't see that being enough for them either.

As for the SG fits: if Yuta finds his shot he gives you a serviceable hustle defender shooter. You can audition guards anytime in this league that can fill enough holes, the league is filled with them. Besides, with this trade, our SG shooter becomes OG, and now we're playing a C that can also spread the floor.

In terms of Cs, any of them who can do 3 things competently are getting 20 mil. This doesn't really matter since we're in development mode, but this is pretty much the only way you can get versatility at the position. Or else you are stuck like we are, playing lineups that have trouble shooting, or with size, etc.

[JonasVFTW]

They are rebuilding. Shedding salary and obtaining assets. Both Goran and Boucher are expiring. They get a first. I agree, they likely want more... probably not Flynn. Maybe Banton?

I would do Dragic's contract, Boucher and a lottery protected first for Sabonis in a heartbeat.

A FVV, Barnes, OG, Siakam, Sabonis starting lineup with Trent, Svi, Banton, Birch, Precious, Yuta off bench with Flynn spot minutes I think can get us into the playoffs and will set us up for flexibility and development.

Why would we get him for a mid first and salary filler? Indiana would be doing us a favour taking on Chris Boucher and goran.

[zilby]

Turner does make a great deal of sense for us, but only if the price is right. Siakam/Fred/Scottie/OG and any first-rounders are immediately off the table for me IMO.

I think a swap where Trent & Turner are the main pieces is within reason for both sides, but it would come down to two big things:

1) How much more do you need to add to Trent to get the deal done? Flynn? Boucher + SRP? Anything more is overpaying IMO, and that's also factoring in the risk that Gary is 22 and appears to have plenty of room for growth. Also notwithstanding that other teams out there could potentially make better offers (Charlotte, SA, Wiz, Dallas all stand out to me as trade competition).

2) What does Turner's off-season extension look like? Similar comp to me is Aaron Gordon getting traded to Denver and getting extended this past summer (4 years, $23M AAV). It makes us a young but expensive team that likely will still need to add pieces down the line, and we'll need the money to do that.

Asset management is still the name of the game for Masai & Bobby, that being said Turner is the exact type of C that would fit our system, and if your plan is to keep Pascal for now, also solves the issue of playing him out of position and committing to the big-ball style we're going for with a lineup of Fred/OG/Scottie/Pascal/Turner. Have been wanting Myles on the team for a couple of years now, feel very certain Raps will be a team in the hunt.

[SaveTheHens]

This is where Masai's patience may pay off, we do desperately need a reliable big and either or is a catch looking at their per 100 possession numbers. Sabonis would be super nice but if Masai can string up a deal here for either I think our future is looking bright.

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He wants to come home seems like

[alevirfe]

Turner does make a great deal of sense for us, but only if the price is right. Siakam/Fred/Scottie/OG and any first-rounders are immediately off the table for me IMO.

I think a swap where Trent & Turner are the main pieces is within reason for both sides, but it would come down to two big things:

1) How much more do you need to add to Trent to get the deal done? Flynn? Boucher + SRP? Anything more is overpaying IMO, and that's also factoring in the risk that Gary is 22 and appears to have plenty of room for growth. Also notwithstanding that other teams out there could potentially make better offers (Charlotte, SA, Wiz, Dallas all stand out to me as trade competition).

2) What does Turner's off-season extension look like? Similar comp to me is Aaron Gordon getting traded to Denver and getting extended this past summer (4 years, $23M AAV). It makes us a young but expensive team that likely will still need to add pieces down the line, and we'll need the money to do that.

Asset management is still the name of the game for Masai & Bobby, that being said Turner is the exact type of C that would fit our system, and if your plan is to keep Pascal for now, also solves the issue of playing him out of position and committing to the big-ball style we're going for with a lineup of Fred/OG/Scottie/Pascal/Turner. Have been wanting Myles on the team for a couple of years now, feel very certain Raps will be a team in the hunt.

good post. keeping a tidy cap sheet is especially important right now while we're still accumulating talent

I still feel like this team needs one more trip to the lottery, possibly taking on some picks/unwanted contracts in the meantime

when we''re ready to compete, these are the kind of moves you can make and then go over the cap to pay everyone

[Tor_Raps]

I think if the Raps were a 50+ win team right now and closer to true contention, adding Turner would make more sense to me.

But for a rebuilding team to give up legit young assets for him, when he's never going to be a top 3 or 4 guy on a championship team, doesn't seem very wise to me. He's a guy contending teams should look at especially if they can get him for a filler contract, a 1st and a decent prospect.

20m for starters is pretty much the norm.
Eventually we need an upgrade, holding a bunch of young players who may not be a star may not help us anyway. As long as we are not over paying. Turner will not be putting us into the next level, but neither we are giving up that type of talent in exchange.

As for contender, I think they are more interested in Boucher who has a much smaller contract, and Turner may demand more than a 1st and a decent prospect.

I'd rather give Precious a longer look before we drop 20M+ on a non allstar C.

To be fair, we dropped 22M on Precious when you consider we took on Dragic just to acquire him lol.

[SFour]

either guy would be great for the Raptors....wonder what the asking price is, I haven't been paying attention to reports

[Ref_from_hell]

either guy would be great for the Raptors....wonder what the asking price is, I haven't been paying attention to reports

One article said Gary Trent Junior and picks

[Ell Curry]

I would do Dragic's contract, Boucher and a lottery protected first for Sabonis in a heartbeat.

A FVV, Barnes, OG, Siakam, Sabonis starting lineup with Trent, Svi, Banton, Birch, Precious, Yuta off bench with Flynn spot minutes I think can get us into the playoffs and will set us up for flexibility and development.

I think Indy can squeeze out two lottery protected firsts from a team like Memphis. They have #18 and #21 at the moment and Adams' contract expires after this year, as well as some interesting young bench talent. From us, I think we'd need to give up our pick (say top 5 protected) or a lotto protected pick AND they'd have to value Banton as a 20th pick or so, which isn't really out of the realm of possibility considering how good he's looked.

Chicago overpaid for Vucevic, but Sabonis (while a worse defender) is like 6 years younger. That took 2 firsts and Carter Jr.

A huge factor we have no idea about is if Turner and/or Sabonis want to stay. Indiana might be looking at a one year tank like we sorta did. That could involve trading one of those guys, tanking for the 5th or so (they have a positive SRS despite injury trouble) and trying to be competitive next year with a Brogdon-Duarte-LotteryPick-Warren-Sabonis/Turner starting 5 and a bench led by Levert, Jackson and whatever pick and player they get for a center. They got their 87 year old owner to agree to a rebuild finally, but that doesn't mean a multi-season one for sure.

[And1+2]

Neither are championship pieces, and neither will make us contenders now or in the future. Why do so many of you not lack any patience with our teams regrowth? We are still at least 2-4 years away...

[God Squad]

Pretty solid. Seems fair for all 3 sides.

How so? Pacers are getting nothing for Myles Turner other than the right to pay Bagley a bad contract.

LOL. only our fans would say "Seems fair for all 3 sides" Yikes, Pacers get robbed. Myles turner for Bagley lmao

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He wants to come home seems like

Honestly he's probably just tired of the Pacers experience at this point. A fresh start elsewhere would do wonders for him and Sabonis.

[God Squad]

Neither are championship pieces, and neither will make us contenders now or in the future. Why do so many of you not lack any patience with our teams regrowth? We are still at least 2-4 years away...

I agree. I think it stems from a bunch of new 2018-21 fans who are accustomed to us being at the top of the east. They aren't ready mentally for a re-tool/build. While I think Myles is a great fit for our roster, It seems like a move you make when you're " Ready" to contend ala Gasol for Val.

It could also be that they believe the team is better than its playing and we do have a glaring hole at C. I just don't think these moves are the ones young teams should make, personally. I'd rather swing on a C project like Jackson Hayes ( although super raw/kinda sucky) should come fairly cheap and adds another dimension to our defense/offense (Rim Runner/Lob threat)