Myles Turner complaining about his role in Indiana?

[nate33]

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Why would Indiana do that though?

To rebuild with two young pieces, one of whom has extremely high upside.

Which has the extremely high upside?

Wiseman.

Yeah, I know he was terrible last year, but he was basically a high school kid. He played 5 games of college ball and then was hurt for training camp.

[dkb965]

To rebuild with two young pieces, one of whom has extremely high upside.

Which has the extremely high upside?

Wiseman.

Yeah, I know he was terrible last year, but he was basically a high school kid. He played 5 games of college ball and then was hurt for training camp.

I do not think anybody is too eager to trade for Wiseman currently. I never understood the hype around the kid. Looks like Hassan Whiteside 2.0 to me.

[PistolPeteJR]

I know most fans see Turner as the ultimate puzzle piece to change their team: the 3&D center.

I'm constantly underwhelmed by Turner when he does anything besides protect the rim (which he's amazing at). He can shoot, but the release isn't quick. He has a high center of gravity and weak, inflexible legs, so he gets knocked around the paint. He very much is a role player. A valuable role player yes, but I'm not sure what Turner thinks he could do on another roster.

Agreed. Raps fans really want him and I just don't see it. Sure I'd love to have him, but considering what he would cost and make us a barely a 2nd round team at best.

I'd move Siakam for him and a bit more no problem tbh. Heck, I'd consider straight up.

[eminence]

Turner to Golden State for Wiseman, Looney and Moody makes too much sense not to happen.

Aside from debates about value, how does Turner make sense for GSW when he specifically wants to leave to be more than a ‘role player’ (to use his words). It's not like it's easier to have touches and get shots up in Golden State than in Indiana. Our Centers have notoriously been reduced to smaller roles in the past and it was a key argument in favor of Turner that he can play effectively in a small offensive role.

Also, why would Indiana take two Centers back – both of whom aren't known to be shooters – when they have Sabonis and the thought process behind most draft proposals was to move on from Turner to get a non-big in return.

Winning solves a lot of ‘role’ questions.

I think the offer would be something more like Wiseman/Kuminga with a pick back to GS, Wiseman to OKC for picks and Kuminga/pick to IND.

[whatisacenter]

I wish opposing teams' fans would stop trying to trade the Warriors' young players...we good.

[Trey24]

Turner acting like he is Embiid on offense in this quote.

He should look in the mirror a bit more as to why he isn't viewed as a better player than he is.

How much has he actually improved in 7 seasons? Why does it seem like he doesn't give you a consistency game to game?

Why does he look like one of the best centers in the league for a game, then disappear for several games in a row?

He is a very valuable, starting caliber, roleplayer.

With that being said, he would like like prime Dwight on the Hornets in comparison to what we have now

[cupcakesnake]

I know most fans see Turner as the ultimate puzzle piece to change their team: the 3&D center.

I'm constantly underwhelmed by Turner when he does anything besides protect the rim (which he's amazing at). He can shoot, but the release isn't quick. He has a high center of gravity and weak, inflexible legs, so he gets knocked around the paint. He very much is a role player. A valuable role player yes, but I'm not sure what Turner thinks he could do on another roster.

Agreed. Raps fans really want him and I just don't see it. Sure I'd love to have him, but considering what he would cost and make us a barely a 2nd round team at best.

I'd move Siakam for him and a bit more no problem tbh. Heck, I'd consider straight up.

Raps have 2 problems imo:
1. Rim pressure
2. Rim protection

Myles Turner fills in the hole in the Raptors donut defense, but he exacerbates the rim pressure problem, especially if you're trading him for the best rim pressure you currently have in Siakam. Turner boasts one of the most anemic free throw rates of any center in the league.

I think some of the key Raptors, especially FVV and OG, badly need a source of rim pressure to play off of. You can't just pass around for jumpers all day when the defense can be ultra-aggressive and get rid of C&S opportunities. Siakam is by no means an elite source of rim pressure (he can obliterate certain matchups but get negated by others), but he's by far the best you've got, especially with Dragic not in the rotation or injured or unhappy or all of the above.

[cupcakesnake]

Tried to warn y’all about Rick.

Sabonis and Turner are both getting used terribly

Surprised you're still hating on Rick, considering how the post-Rick Mavs experience is going.

I get the Pacers feel it's time to blow up this core. Their window as a plucky EC contender probably died when Oladipo got injured. But the Pacers' problems this year are a bit overblown and there's a luck factor here. They have the SRS and Net Rating of a top 10 team but have somehow magically ended up with a significant losing record. 8 of their losses were by 4 points or less. A loss is a loss, and there's a crunch time performance issue here, but their record is not indicative of their offense of defense performing well. Being average to above average at both those things usually means a decent record.

As Zach Lowe was mentioning the other day, the Pacers seem to have problems with their roles and their rolling. Levert, Brogdon, Sabonis all think they're the best player. The guards are absolutely looking off Sabonis and Turner when they roll to the rim.

[PistolPeteJR]

Agreed. Raps fans really want him and I just don't see it. Sure I'd love to have him, but considering what he would cost and make us a barely a 2nd round team at best.

I'd move Siakam for him and a bit more no problem tbh. Heck, I'd consider straight up.

Raps have 2 problems imo:
1. Rim pressure
2. Rim protection

Myles Turner fills in the hole in the Raptors donut defense, but he exacerbates the rim pressure problem, especially if you're trading him for the best rim pressure you currently have in Siakam. Turner boasts one of the most anemic free throw rates of any center in the league.

I think some of the key Raptors, especially FVV and OG, badly need a source of rim pressure to play off of. You can't just pass around for jumpers all day when the defense can be ultra-aggressive and get rid of C&S opportunities. Siakam is by no means an elite source of rim pressure (he can obliterate certain matchups but get negated by others), but he's by far the best you've got, especially with Dragic not in the rotation or injured or unhappy or all of the above.

Agreed, but I'm thinking more long-term tbh. Subjectively speaking, I really don't think Siakam is going to get any better. Sure, his shooting and passing might, but his game is quite predicated on athleticism and motor, and I expect those to start trending downward very soon. I think I'd rather have Turner's size and spacing instead with this group in particular, both short-term but even moreso long-term.

[Maxthirty]

Turner to Golden State for Wiseman, Looney and Moody makes too much sense not to happen.

I really think they should try to keep Looney. He’s cheap, knows their system well, and always plays within himself. He’s much more valuable to the Warriors than to any other franchise IMO.

[GunnerWRX]

Drama!

Should the Warriors go for him still if it is possible for a price which the Warriors can swallow?

The Warriors will still only use him as a "glorified role player", like they do with Draymond, or when Iguodala is/was healthy.

[Sprewell4Three]

We don’t really know who’s team is it. Brogdon is a ball hog, Sabonis is too. Then when Levert comes in he thinks he’s a young Kobe. I don’t think their roles are defined. Seems like a bunch of guys that get in their and try to get there’s.

[Lunartic]

Bulls trade Coby/Vuc/pick for Turner/Lamb - make it happen

[kenwood3333]

A role player is exactly what he is.

[Lockdown504090]

Agreed. Raps fans really want him and I just don't see it. Sure I'd love to have him, but considering what he would cost and make us a barely a 2nd round team at best.

I'd move Siakam for him and a bit more no problem tbh. Heck, I'd consider straight up.

Raps have 2 problems imo:
1. Rim pressure
2. Rim protection

Myles Turner fills in the hole in the Raptors donut defense, but he exacerbates the rim pressure problem, especially if you're trading him for the best rim pressure you currently have in Siakam. Turner boasts one of the most anemic free throw rates of any center in the league.

I think some of the key Raptors, especially FVV and OG, badly need a source of rim pressure to play off of. You can't just pass around for jumpers all day when the defense can be ultra-aggressive and get rid of C&S opportunities. Siakam is by no means an elite source of rim pressure (he can obliterate certain matchups but get negated by others), but he's by far the best you've got, especially with Dragic not in the rotation or injured or unhappy or all of the above.

the raptors front office isnt trying to win games, they wont trade for a center until after they have secured their top 7 draft pick. ur going to see FVV OG stop leading the league in minutes by february and the raptors are going to start being super cautious and ham up injuries. We do a great job of pridefully tanking but you cant tell me they care about wins when they arent playing dragic, having precious start at center and wont pick up g leaue players unless theyre born in the 2000s. actually this is how it should be. create an obviously flawed roster, but act like everyone is still trying to win so they build good habits. the goal is to play as many 6'8 athletic players as many minutes as possible and hope another team gets a hard-on for one of them.

[PistolPeteJR]

I'd move Siakam for him and a bit more no problem tbh. Heck, I'd consider straight up.

Raps have 2 problems imo:
1. Rim pressure
2. Rim protection

Myles Turner fills in the hole in the Raptors donut defense, but he exacerbates the rim pressure problem, especially if you're trading him for the best rim pressure you currently have in Siakam. Turner boasts one of the most anemic free throw rates of any center in the league.

I think some of the key Raptors, especially FVV and OG, badly need a source of rim pressure to play off of. You can't just pass around for jumpers all day when the defense can be ultra-aggressive and get rid of C&S opportunities. Siakam is by no means an elite source of rim pressure (he can obliterate certain matchups but get negated by others), but he's by far the best you've got, especially with Dragic not in the rotation or injured or unhappy or all of the above.

the raptors front office isnt trying to win games, they wont trade for a center until after they have secured their top 7 draft pick. ur going to see FVV OG stop leading the league in minutes by february and the raptors are going to start being super cautious and ham up injuries. We do a great job of pridefully tanking but you cant tell me they care about wins when they arent playing dragic, having precious start at center and wont pick up g leaue players unless theyre born in the 2000s. actually this is how it should be. create an obviously flawed roster, but act like everyone is still trying to win so they build good habits. the goal is to play as many 6'8 athletic players as many minutes as possible and hope another team gets a hard-on for one of them.

For starters, them playing Siakam at the 5 in years past is no different than them experimenting with that with Precious. This is how they want to play. Long, athletic, smart, high-motor hybrid players to switch everything, blitz, and just run all over the place. If they're good at it and fit into the long-term plans of the team, great. If they showcase well but we decide to use them as trade pieces, also great. Either way, it's all contributing to the success of the franchise.

Dragic just doesn't fit in their plans and they're prioritizing minutes to develop the young guns instead. There's nothing wrong with that. It's not tanking. Proper NBA experience for the young guys develops them well. It's part of the Raptors' excellent development of youngsters that we've been seeing quite a bit the last few years.

I don't think moving Siakam for Turner is going to result in us winning a bunch more games this year, for what it's worth.

[Lockdown504090]

Raps have 2 problems imo:
1. Rim pressure
2. Rim protection

Myles Turner fills in the hole in the Raptors donut defense, but he exacerbates the rim pressure problem, especially if you're trading him for the best rim pressure you currently have in Siakam. Turner boasts one of the most anemic free throw rates of any center in the league.

I think some of the key Raptors, especially FVV and OG, badly need a source of rim pressure to play off of. You can't just pass around for jumpers all day when the defense can be ultra-aggressive and get rid of C&S opportunities. Siakam is by no means an elite source of rim pressure (he can obliterate certain matchups but get negated by others), but he's by far the best you've got, especially with Dragic not in the rotation or injured or unhappy or all of the above.

the raptors front office isnt trying to win games, they wont trade for a center until after they have secured their top 7 draft pick. ur going to see FVV OG stop leading the league in minutes by february and the raptors are going to start being super cautious and ham up injuries. We do a great job of pridefully tanking but you cant tell me they care about wins when they arent playing dragic, having precious start at center and wont pick up g leaue players unless theyre born in the 2000s. actually this is how it should be. create an obviously flawed roster, but act like everyone is still trying to win so they build good habits. the goal is to play as many 6'8 athletic players as many minutes as possible and hope another team gets a hard-on for one of them.

For starters, them playing Siakam at the 5 in years past is no different than them experimenting with that with Precious. This is how they want to play. Long, athletic, smart, high-motor hybrid players to switch everything, blitz, and just run all over the place. If they're good at it and fit into the long-term plans of the team, great. If they showcase well but we decide to use them as trade pieces, also great. Either way, it's all contributing to the success of the franchise.

Dragic just doesn't fit in their plans and they're prioritizing minutes to develop the young guns instead. There's nothing wrong with that. It's not tanking. Proper NBA experience for the young guys develops them well. It's part of the Raptors' excellent development of youngsters that we've been seeing quite a bit the last few years.

I don't think moving Siakam for Turner is going to result in us winning a bunch more games this year, for what it's worth.

see, that sounds so much better than what i said. but yeah, theres no way that barnes og siakam and precious are part of our long term plans. we drafted siakam's replacement, and we are just trying to run a pump and dump scheme with precious. but yeah, we arent trading for turner because he cant rebound, he doesnt dunk and the raptors can apparently teach anyone to shoot. We should hold out for KAT IMO. he would be a monster on the raptors. the wolves dont even use him right.

[LofJ]

I wonder if he read the Ringer article that was recently published about him? It made a pretty good case that he's being underutilized.

[dirkforpres]

Tried to warn y’all about Rick.

Sabonis and Turner are both getting used terribly

Surprised you're still hating on Rick, considering how the post-Rick Mavs experience is going.

You’ll never hear me saying Kidd was the right hire… but that doesn’t mean moving on from Carlisle was the wrong move

[nate33]

Turner to Golden State for Wiseman, Looney and Moody makes too much sense not to happen.

I really think they should try to keep Looney. He’s cheap, knows their system well, and always plays within himself. He’s much more valuable to the Warriors than to any other franchise IMO.

They really need to include his salary. Not just to make the salaries match, but because Golden State is so far into the luxtax, every million they ship out saves them something like $4.25M in luxtax fees. Looney is useful depth, but not at 5 times his actual salary.