Garrison Mathews - Professional Shooter

payitforward · Post #261 » by **payitforward** » Thu Dec 9, 2021 9:00 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Basically punting on a free 1st round pick from LA in order to get a meh PG who stole Garrison's roster spot and is somehow getting 17 minutes a night. Very Ernie like move.

Holiday isn't "meh;" he's bad.

In fairness, however, we also got the #31 pick in the trade & took Todd. How he turns out has to be part of assessing the move.

In any case, the trade didn't have anything at all to do with the question of keeping Garrison Mathews.

Way before that, we chose not to give a qualifying offer to Mathews -- while we did extend Anthony Gill.

smoothSeph · Post #262 » by **smoothSeph** » Thu Dec 9, 2021 9:34 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
smoothSeph wrote:This move never made sense. What's even worse is we planned on keeping Homesley over him, on top of drafting Kispert.

I think we can put to rest that letting Mathews go was a bad move (and generally our guard moves to date).

But Tommy has rocked the FC we have some darn good forwards and Cs. If only he had a do-over - keep everything else and fix the backcourt.

Good thing he still has a chance to fix it. I think we'll have a few valuable forwards going into the deadline.

payitforward · Post #263 » by **payitforward** » Thu Dec 9, 2021 10:08 pm

dckingsfan wrote:I think we can put to rest that letting Mathews go was a bad move....

What would make you say that? There are several active people on the board who didn't think there was any reason to keep Mathews, who didn't think that he'd shown his value with us, who don't think he's done anything "special," & who see no reason to regret the move one bit.

It's still what they think -- or so I assume -- since none of them is checking in here to say "I guess I was wrong about Garrison Mathews."

Of course, we're all wrong sometimes -- goes without saying. E.g. I was wrong about Tyler Bey, Nate Hinton, & sizable list of others -- not to mention all those still to come about whom I'm sure to be wrong as well! You can count on it. Plus the ones I'm forgetting.... Oh yeah, Mason Jones!

(I'm still high on Nathan Knight however! Just you wait... you'll see!)

Still... maybe some of those who couldn't see why to think well of & keep Garrison Mathews will decide to admit they were incorrect.

Maybe even including those who thought Chandler Hutchison had a chance (ooops... I was in that group!) or that Jerome Robinson did (I wasn't one of those at least...) while they were sure they saw the fatal flaws in Mathews.

Anyone think that's likely?

dckingsfan · Post #264 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Dec 9, 2021 11:06 pm

payitforward wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:I think we can put to rest that letting Mathews go was a bad move....

What would make you say that? There are several active people on the board who didn't think there was any reason to keep Mathews, who didn't think that he'd shown his value with us, who don't think he's done anything "special," & who see no reason to regret the move one bit.

It's still what they think -- or so I assume -- since none of them is checking in here to say "I guess I was wrong about Garrison Mathews."

Of course, we're all wrong sometimes -- goes without saying. E.g. I was wrong about Tyler Bey, Nate Hinton, & sizable list of others -- not to mention all those still to come about whom I'm sure to be wrong as well! You can count on it. Plus the ones I'm forgetting.... Oh yeah, Mason Jones!

(I'm still high on Nathan Knight however! Just you wait... you'll see!)

Still... maybe some of those who couldn't see why to think well of & keep Garrison Mathews will decide to admit they were incorrect.

Maybe even including those who thought Chandler Hutchison had a chance (ooops... I was in that group!) or that Jerome Robinson did (I wasn't one of those at least...) while they were sure they saw the fatal flaws in Mathews.

Anyone think that's likely?

I do love rhetorical questions

I think that Matthews would have been a terrific backup to Beal (and insurance if Beal went down for some games). I think he would have been a better fit next to Dinwiddie (than either of our two backup PGs).

I think he plays a little "like" Deni in that he isn't flashy but makes the right plays for the most part. And I think that a backup crew of Matthews, Kispert, Avidja and Harrell would have been pretty darn good against second units.

But I didn't see Harrell coming - just didn't.

The only place I have been disappointed by Wes' rotations so far is the three guard rotation when Neto and Holiday are on the court at the same time. I personally wasn't thrilled about the Holiday signing - so maybe that is my bias coming though.

Either way, a terrific off-season by Tommy. But as a fanatic, I wanted more. I do wish I could know his couldashouldawouldas. I wonder what he would have done different.

payitforward · Post #265 » by **payitforward** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 1:03 am

This is a good point -- in fact, think about the deal he gave Todd -- almost $5m guaranteed. One could imagine that he valued Todd as highly as anyone he could get at #22, making Holiday essentially free.

Not saying that he did. But, if so, that would justify the trade. (Not saying it would make sense either)

Halcyon · Post #266 » by **Halcyon** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 1:43 pm

I miss Garry Bird

closg00 · Post #267 » by **closg00** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:53 pm

Halcyon wrote:I miss Garry Bird

You beat me, Rockets fans call him Gary Bird now.

badinage · Post #268 » by **badinage** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:20 pm

Aww, shxt, HERE we go …

J-Ves · Post #269 » by **J-Ves** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:05 pm

Don’t worry guys we have sweet shooting Kispert on the team

Dolevi · Post #270 » by **Dolevi** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:20 pm

Having fun at Houston.

FAH1223 · Post #271 » by **FAH1223** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:40 am

We done fukked up!

pcbothwel · Post #272 » by **pcbothwel** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:38 pm

Yup... Tommy really screwed up here. It may seem like a series of small moves, but letting Garrison walk, trading for Holiday, and trading 2nds to dump Hutch all look like fails.

Dat2U · Post #273 » by **Dat2U** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:29 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Gig18 wrote:Looks like Garrison is signing with the Celts.

ughhh.

Keeping Gill over Matthews is still the 2nd most head scratching move of the offseason. Considering his shooting as well the roster balance with Gill being one of 6 guys that can primarily play PF and Matthews one of 2 that could see some minutes at both the 2 & 3.

I stand by this statement although in defense maybe Shepp already knew about the Rui situation and felt Gill was needed as insurance.

Still would have kept Mathews tho. Avdija could have ate any minutes Gill was needed for.

payitforward · Post #274 » by **payitforward** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:35 pm

Houston lost to Milwaukee last night, but Garrison had another tremendous game.

Whoa!

just noticed that 4 of Houston's 5 starters last night were undrafted players! Wood, Mathews, Brooks & Tate

Plus their first 2 guys off the bench were David Nwaba (also undrafted) & Kenyon Martin Jr. (picked #52).

Combined salaries of Mathews, Brooks, Tate & Martin = under $5m for 4 players!

Not to mention another 6 players for a total of $18m -- no wonder they can afford to pay John Wall!

GoneShammGone · Post #275 » by **GoneShammGone** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:26 pm

payitforward wrote:Houston lost to Milwaukee last night, but Garrison had another tremendous game.

Whoa! just noticed that 4 of Houston's 5 starters last night were undrafted players! Wood, Mathews, Brooks & Tate

Plus their first 2 guys off the bench were David Nwaba (also undrafted) & Kenyon Martin Jr. (picked #52).

Combined salaries of Mathews, Brooks, Tate & Martin = under $5m for 4 players!

Not to mention another 6 players for a total of $18m -- no wonder they can afford to pay John Wall!

What a completely insane situation. John Wall is getting paid ten times the money made by those four guys and he doesn't even play. Just shows what an incredibly high risk proposition it is to max out a player---especially one who isn't clearly a top tier superstar. Is it possible that Tommy/Ted will learn from the John Wall example when it comes to dealing with Brad? I have my doubts.

dckingsfan · Post #276 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:41 pm

J-Ves wrote:Don’t worry guys we have sweet shooting Kispert on the team

So - independent events right?

Just because we screwed up on Mathews (you never let a +400 three point shooter that can play D go for nothing) doesn't mean Kispert is the same f'up.

You might note that is shooting splits have increased each of the last three months - and he cuts really well without the ball. He seems to be able to guard 2s&3s and I think that will get better over time at this level.

FAH1223 · Post #277 » by **FAH1223** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 4:44 am

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gambitx777 · Post #278 » by **gambitx777** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:09 am

FAH1223 wrote:

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Post #279 » by **nate33** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:37 pm

FAH1223 wrote:

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That's the kind of contract the Wizards should have signed him to last season rather than let him walk for nothing. At that price, he's barely more expensive than a vet minimum guy (and surely as useful), but with that duration, he is a valuable trade asset. What are the chances that a capped out championship contender gets a late injury and really needs a shooter who won't blow up their luxtax situation further? A guy like Mathews would bring back a 1st round pick in that scenario.

payitforward · Post #280 » by **payitforward** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:41 pm

First off -- congratulations to Garrison Mathews! He was an undrafted kid from a nowhere college, & now he's a bona fide NBA player with a multi-year contract.

Secondly -- fire your agent, Garrison! If Houston controls you for this year plus 3 more years for a total of "over $8m," you've exchanged your most productive years for too little $$.

Finally -- letting Mathews go for nothing remains, as Dat2U describes it, "the most head-scratching move" of Tommy's tenure. Oh well....