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SuperDeluxe wrote:
At this point I don't expect anybody to spend time explaining this stuff to you (or any of the other do-my-own-research people on this thread). Each and every little bit of disinformation that you guys have posted has been dissected and destroyed, one by one, and none of you even acknowledged the answers. What's the point then?
SuperDeluxe wrote:
At this point I don't expect anybody to spend time explaining this stuff to you (or any of the other do-my-own-research people on this thread). Each and every little bit of disinformation that you guys have posted has been dissected and destroyed, one by one, and none of you even acknowledged the answers. What's the point then?
Captain_Caveman wrote:jmr07019 wrote:celtics543 wrote:This whole "I did my own research" thing that people throw around is such a cop out. Do you walk into your surgeons office and tell them what to do because you "did your own research"? Do you tell your mechanic how to fix your car because you did your own research? This whole doing your own research bs is ridiculous. Be informed but don't do a Google Search or watch a video and try to put yourself on the same level as experts.
I'm so sick of hearing people talk about doing their own research and coming to a WILDLY different conclusion than the actual experts. People have dedicated their entire lives to researching medicine and disease and there are people out there who have the gall to do a Google search or watch a YouTube video and think they're better informed. The amount of narcissism involved in that is mind-numbing.
I see it every day as a teacher where parents think that because they all went to school they know exactly how things should be done. It's these people that think they know better than everyone else and that they have all the answers that are ruining society. I'd bet some serious cash that most of the mass shooters in this country were people who "did their own research" on whatever topic they were angry about or had parents who espoused this ridiculousness.
People get second opinions on every subject whether it's about a medical procedure, fixing their car, the best diet to lose weight , etc. When someone claims their word cant be questioned it is generally a red flag.
And those second opinions typically come from a different doctor, mechanic, or trainer, rather than from some untrained and uneducated person that is dead-set on attempting to create their own reality.
jmr07019 wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:jmr07019 wrote:
People get second opinions on every subject whether it's about a medical procedure, fixing their car, the best diet to lose weight , etc. When someone claims their word cant be questioned it is generally a red flag.
And those second opinions typically come from a different doctor, mechanic, or trainer, rather than from some untrained and uneducated person that is dead-set on attempting to create their own reality.
Of course the second opinion comes from someone in the same field. If you weren't so dismissive you would see that is exactly what is happening. I never advocated differently. For the zillionth time I am vaxxed and I think it's smart to get vaxxed. What I take exception with are things like
- mandates
- the idea that Fauci and the MSM can't be questioned
- denying people access to essential products based on vax status
- pulling people out of there homes and putting them in a govt holding facility until the govt allows you to leave
jmr07019 wrote:SuperDeluxe wrote:
At this point I don't expect anybody to spend time explaining this stuff to you (or any of the other do-my-own-research people on this thread). Each and every little bit of disinformation that you guys have posted has been dissected and destroyed, one by one, and none of you even acknowledged the answers. What's the point then?
Disinformation? It's a video. Unless you're claiming it's a deep fake video how exactly is it disinformation?
Should people be denied access to essential products based on vax status? How is the vax policy not a mandate if you are being denied essential products like gasoline and healthcare?
Ed Pinkney wrote:jmr07019 wrote:SuperDeluxe wrote:At this point I don't expect anybody to spend time explaining this stuff to you (or any of the other do-my-own-research people on this thread). Each and every little bit of disinformation that you guys have posted has been dissected and destroyed, one by one, and none of you even acknowledged the answers. What's the point then?
Disinformation? It's a video. Unless you're claiming it's a deep fake video how exactly is it disinformation?
Should people be denied access to essential products based on vax status? How is the vax policy not a mandate if you are being denied essential products like gasoline and healthcare?
Just so you know, this petrol station example has absolutely nothing to do with vaccination status. That is why it is disinformation.
We have a check-in app system using QR codes that you are required to use in public settings like retail stores and restaurants to help with contact tracing. It literally takes two seconds when you walk into a shopping centre, petrol station or supermarket and is a big part of tracking outbreaks and exposure sites. It helps protect you if you unknowingly go to an exposure site, and it helps protect others if you are going to public places while potentially infectious. This clown decided that was apparently too much to ask.
It is bizarre how right wing/conservatives in the US have taken particular interest in trying to portray Australia as some sort of communist dictatorship over the last several months. I have seen multiple examples of it pop up, including US politicians spouting this nonsense.
jmr07019 wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:jmr07019 wrote:
People get second opinions on every subject whether it's about a medical procedure, fixing their car, the best diet to lose weight , etc. When someone claims their word cant be questioned it is generally a red flag.
And those second opinions typically come from a different doctor, mechanic, or trainer, rather than from some untrained and uneducated person that is dead-set on attempting to create their own reality.
Of course the second opinion comes from someone in the same field. If you weren't so dismissive you would see that is exactly what is happening. I never advocated differently. For the zillionth time I am vaxxed and I think it's smart to get vaxxed. What I take exception with are things like
- mandates
- the idea that Fauci and the MSM can't be questioned
- denying people access to essential products based on vax status
- pulling people out of there homes and putting them in a govt holding facility until the govt allows you to leave
Mr Loggins wrote:jmr07019 wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:
And those second opinions typically come from a different doctor, mechanic, or trainer, rather than from some untrained and uneducated person that is dead-set on attempting to create their own reality.
Of course the second opinion comes from someone in the same field. If you weren't so dismissive you would see that is exactly what is happening. I never advocated differently. For the zillionth time I am vaxxed and I think it's smart to get vaxxed. What I take exception with are things like
- mandates
- the idea that Fauci and the MSM can't be questioned
- denying people access to essential products based on vax status
- pulling people out of there homes and putting them in a govt holding facility until the govt allows you to leave
whats "MSM"?
Ed Pinkney wrote:jmr07019 wrote:SuperDeluxe wrote:At this point I don't expect anybody to spend time explaining this stuff to you (or any of the other do-my-own-research people on this thread). Each and every little bit of disinformation that you guys have posted has been dissected and destroyed, one by one, and none of you even acknowledged the answers. What's the point then?
Disinformation? It's a video. Unless you're claiming it's a deep fake video how exactly is it disinformation?
Should people be denied access to essential products based on vax status? How is the vax policy not a mandate if you are being denied essential products like gasoline and healthcare?
Just so you know, this petrol station example has absolutely nothing to do with vaccination status. That is why it is disinformation.
We have a check-in app system using QR codes that you are required to use in public settings like retail stores and restaurants to help with contact tracing. It literally takes two seconds when you walk into a shopping centre, petrol station or supermarket and is a big part of tracking outbreaks and exposure sites. It helps protect you if you unknowingly go to an exposure site, and it helps protect others if you are going to public places while potentially infectious. This clown decided that was apparently too much to ask.
It is bizarre how right wing/conservatives in the US have taken particular interest in trying to portray Australia as some sort of communist dictatorship over the last several months. I have seen multiple examples of it pop up, including US politicians spouting this nonsense.
jmr07019 wrote:
Of course the second opinion comes from someone in the same field. If you weren't so dismissive you would see that is exactly what is happening. I never advocated differently. For the zillionth time I am vaxxed and I think it's smart to get vaxxed. What I take exception with are things like
- mandates
- denying people access to essential products based on vax status
- pulling people out of there homes and putting them in a govt holding facility until the govt allows you to leave
jmr07019 wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:jmr07019 wrote:
People get second opinions on every subject whether it's about a medical procedure, fixing their car, the best diet to lose weight , etc. When someone claims their word cant be questioned it is generally a red flag.
And those second opinions typically come from a different doctor, mechanic, or trainer, rather than from some untrained and uneducated person that is dead-set on attempting to create their own reality.
Of course the second opinion comes from someone in the same field. If you weren't so dismissive you would see that is exactly what is happening. I never advocated differently. For the zillionth time I am vaxxed and I think it's smart to get vaxxed. What I take exception with are things like
- mandates
- the idea that Fauci and the MSM can't be questioned
- denying people access to essential products based on vax status
- pulling people out of there homes and putting them in a govt holding facility until the govt allows you to leave
Ed Pinkney wrote:Mr Loggins wrote:jmr07019 wrote:
Of course the second opinion comes from someone in the same field. If you weren't so dismissive you would see that is exactly what is happening. I never advocated differently. For the zillionth time I am vaxxed and I think it's smart to get vaxxed. What I take exception with are things like
- mandates
- the idea that Fauci and the MSM can't be questioned
- denying people access to essential products based on vax status
- pulling people out of there homes and putting them in a govt holding facility until the govt allows you to leave
whats "MSM"?
Mainstream media I believe.
Captain_Caveman wrote:We are at about 57% the numbers of daily cases and just under 50% of the daily deaths as we were this time last year. Would have thought it would be lower by now, especially on the latter number.
As to the issue of mandates, what country's policies are we even talking about? It's silly to bring up distorted outlier examples from countries halfway across the world. Sillier still to do that without looking at Asian countries, who are often the most heavy-handed in this way.
Speaking of which, with the caveat that data collection on this is shaky in much of the world, all anyone has to do is look at the death totals per capita around the world. Of the more affluent countries who have actual agency in limiting the spread and impacts of this virus, it is obvious who is doing it wrong and who is doing it right. In full context, the US is the poorest performer among those countries, and has essentially been so since the start.
All it took to significantly limit cases, hospitalizations, deaths, mandates, and economic impacts in most affluent countries was wearing a mask, practicing social distancing, and eventually, getting vaccinated. That's it. Nothing that difficult. Simply listening to what public health experts were saying all along. Japan has had a 94% lower death rate than the US and has been going about their business the whole time. Think about that for a second.
The same people crying about mandates and vaccinations were the same people complaining about lockdowns and masks. At their moment in history, that is what they chose to stand for. They are the reason this was 5-10x worse than it had to be in this country. The reason that hundreds of thousands of our most vulnerable citizens died before their time. They have been 100% wrong 100% of the way, and they don't get to lecture anyone about anything.
At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.
As the Covid pandemic continues to defy predictions about when it will finally be ‘over,’ there is a curious phenomenon taking place across the United States and around the globe: Covid-19 case rates increasing alongside vaccination rates.
The textbook examples of this disturbing trend are the nations of Israel, the United Kingdom, and the United States. Israel is now experiencing its fourth wave, which is being accompanied by another round of ‘booster shots.’ Israel has 61.5% of all adults “fully vaccinated” (although the use of ‘booster shots’ throws the term into question.)
Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fullyvaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.
“Of the top 5 counties that have the highest percentageof population fully vaccinated (99.9–84.3%), the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identifies 4 of them as ‘High’ Transmission counties.”
“Although two doses of the vaccine may still offer protection against severe disease caused by the Omicron strain, it’s clear from these preliminary data that protection is improved with a third dose of our vaccine,” Pfizer’s CEO Albert Bourla said. “Ensuring as many people as possible are fully vaccinated with the first two dose series and a booster remains the best course of action to prevent the spread of COVID-19.”
In summary, even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humility and respect. Stigmatizing populations can do moreharm than good. Importantly, other non-pharmacologicalprevention efforts (e.g., the importance of basic publichealth hygiene with regards to maintaining safe distance orhandwashing, promoting better frequent and cheaper formsof testing) needs to be renewed in order to strike the bal-ance of learning to live with COVID-19 in the same mannerwe continue to live a 100 years later with various seasonalalterations of the 1918 Influenza virus.
in the last 7 days
