Deandre Ayton news and discussion

King4Day · Post #1221 » by **King4Day** » Thu Dec 9, 2021 7:30 pm

Frank Lee · Post #1222 » by **Frank Lee** » Thu Dec 9, 2021 7:35 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:That Ayton would be a Top 10 player in the league. 24 points, 11 boards, 2 assists and 2 blocks per game with very good defense....All NBA Team.

He can't play as great as tonight on every single game, but he is great enough to deserve a max contract. Max contracts are not just for 15 players in the league, it's for about the best 50 players in the league and no doubt that Ayton is already one of them.

And he keeps improving, so there's no risk at all. There are only 3-4 Cs better than him today and he is probably the most rounded of all of them.

In this last game he scored five right hooks in the paint. He has mastered that move. Do you imagine Gobert or Capela scoring ten points like that in a game?

Only with hooks, putbacks, lobs, and some mid range shot here or there he will score around 20 points per game on good efficiency for the next eight to ten years.

And he is gonna be always one of the top rebounders in the league.

You hear the announcers keep saying when he is establishing position down there and hitting hooks, etc, that he is posting up yet it seems like you only read here how he can't post up. No, Gobert and Capela don't do that. Maybe someone like KP, but he is not as reliable in there as he used to be.

Look how deep he was establishing his position in the post. He was fighting for position early and deep, he was calling for the ball and he made quick, decisive reads. Vast majority of the time he's floating between the post and coming up to set a screen. This isn't not the regular Ayton we're used to seeing and until he does it consistently, he's not a post up threat.

Seems to me, when he gets deep mismatch position he calls once for the ball… if he doesn’t get it, he floats out of the paint and doesn’t try to get back in there again.

What ever contract we give him needs to have a dunking bonus attached. Dude could be jammin 5-6 a night if he had a mind to

sunsbg · Post #1223 » by **sunsbg** » Thu Dec 9, 2021 7:57 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
Seems to me, when he gets deep mismatch position he calls once for the ball… if he doesn’t get it, he floats out of the paint and doesn’t try to get back in there again.

What ever contract we give him needs to have a dunking bonus attached. Dude could be jammin 5-6 a night if he had a mind to

Obviously this is by design. They don't want DA to clog the paint too much. It's clear Booker or Paul vs a big is the preferred mismatch with Ayton crashing for O rebounds. Doubt Jones and Monty are so bothered by him not dunking every ball to put such clause in the contract. Duncan was not playing like that and he was doing just fine.

garrick · Post #1224 » by **garrick** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:12 am

King4Day wrote:

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I think Suns fans want DA to make improvements on offense but it's nice to be reminded of how much he has improved already & he still hasn't reached his full potential yet.

MrMiyagi · Post #1225 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:30 am

Frank Lee wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
You hear the announcers keep saying when he is establishing position down there and hitting hooks, etc, that he is posting up yet it seems like you only read here how he can't post up. No, Gobert and Capela don't do that. Maybe someone like KP, but he is not as reliable in there as he used to be.

Look how deep he was establishing his position in the post. He was fighting for position early and deep, he was calling for the ball and he made quick, decisive reads. Vast majority of the time he's floating between the post and coming up to set a screen. This isn't not the regular Ayton we're used to seeing and until he does it consistently, he's not a post up threat.

Seems to me, when he gets deep mismatch position he calls once for the ball… if he doesn’t get it, he floats out of the paint and doesn’t try to get back in there again.

What ever contract we give him needs to have a dunking bonus attached. Dude could be jammin 5-6 a night if he had a mind to

Can't be a truly great Suns big unless you destroy your knees for our entertainment!

Ghost of Kleine · Post #1226 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:04 am

Xin Varlock (@XinNBA) Tweeted:
Ayton is holding shooters to 10.7% below their averages within 6 feet of the rim.

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Ghost of Kleine · Post #1227 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:30 pm

Zona (@ZonaHoops_) Tweeted:
Deandre Ayton's last 5 games: (4.5 w/o Booker)

21.2 PPG, 10.2 RPG on 58% shooting.

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bigfoot · Post #1228 » by **bigfoot** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:10 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Zona (@ZonaHoops_) Tweeted:
Deandre Ayton's last 5 games: (4.5 w/o Booker)

21.2 PPG, 10.2 RPG on 58% shooting.

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That's a misleading tweet. It's really Ayton's last three games ... 2.5 w/o Booker. Ayton was sick for two games.

Saberestar · Post #1229 » by **Saberestar** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:24 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Look how deep he was establishing his position in the post. He was fighting for position early and deep, he was calling for the ball and he made quick, decisive reads. Vast majority of the time he's floating between the post and coming up to set a screen. This isn't not the regular Ayton we're used to seeing and until he does it consistently, he's not a post up threat.

Seems to me, when he gets deep mismatch position he calls once for the ball… if he doesn’t get it, he floats out of the paint and doesn’t try to get back in there again.

What ever contract we give him needs to have a dunking bonus attached. Dude could be jammin 5-6 a night if he had a mind to
Can't be a truly great Suns big unless you destroy your knees for our entertainment!

I loved Amare but one of his biggest flaws was that he couldn't stop himself from trying to dunk or going hard to the rim.

That has his pros and cons...it's great because as fearless as he was he went a lot to the FTL and finished a lot of difficult buckets in traffic around the rim...but so many times he got charging fouls.

I remember in particular one of those charging fouls against the Spurs in the first game of '08 Playoffs that was his sixth foul in a game that went to overtime. Kurt Thomas took the hit and he was gone. And we lost.

Ayton is not as good as Amare was in his prime YET but he has the potential to get there but as a different type of frontcourt player.

He knows how to avoid contact in traffic and that is gonna be huge for his long-term health. He finishes nicely around the rim with his soft touch, so it's not like he can't score near the rim. He is one of the best in the entire league, so it's an strength of him and he avoids offensive fouls and unnecessary hits in his body.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1230 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:39 am

Paul and Ayton absolutely destroyed Portland in the pick and roll.

I counted 10 buckets from Ayton that started with the high screen and roll, could be a benefit of discovering something due to Booker being out. I'm wondering if that is an improvement or Paul just picking apart a bad defensive team.

King4Day · Post #1231 » by **King4Day** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:32 pm

I just see no way Ayton isn't offered max this offseason. He's pretty much as consistent as he was in the playoffs. That wasn't the case during last season.
I think enough has been seen to prove he's worth it.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1232 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:48 pm

Might have been offered already if he had been open to less than the $172m.

JDLAW · Post #1233 » by **JDLAW** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:33 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Might have been offered already if he had been open to less than the $172m.

Then it wouldn't be the max, would it?

Ghost of Kleine · Post #1234 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:42 pm

Interesting question here!
With Paul and our current roster, Would you rather have prime Amare or current Ayton still developing? Especially in playoff scenarios?

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1235 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:51 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Interesting question here!
With Paul and our current roster, Would you rather have prime Amare or current Ayton still developing? Especially in playoff scenarios?

Ayton and it's not really close. This roster doesn't lack scoring and if you swapped Amare for Ayton the defense would suffer.

Now I do wonder if Amare had Monty as a coach early in his career if he would developed into a better defensive player.

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Slim Charless · Post #1236 » by **Slim Charless** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:24 am

King4Day wrote:I just see no way Ayton isn't offered max this offseason. He's pretty much as consistent as he was in the playoffs. That wasn't the case during last season.
I think enough has been seen to prove he's worth it.

I agree and think that in a way, especially these Booker-free games he's been better. His defense is just as good and he's scoring more and with more authority. If Booker is as unselfish as he proclaims to be then he'll say we keep doing EXACTLY what we're doing now on offense and he'll just find his spots. He's good enough to pick and choose and still get his numbers. This Ayton and even a slightly less Booker is enough to get us to the promise land. It's a game changer for the rest of the NBA.

I'll take that team over any other in the league: LAL, LAC, MIL or even the new KyrieNets. They can get it.

Ghost of Kleine · Post #1237 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:34 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Interesting question here!
With Paul and our current roster, Would you rather have prime Amare or current Ayton still developing? Especially in playoff scenarios?
Ayton and it's not really close. This roster doesn't lack scoring and if you swapped Amare for Ayton the defense would suffer.

Now I do wonder if Amare had Monty as a coach early in his career if he would developed into a better defensive player.

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Great points! :clap:

As exciting and absurdly athletic as Amare was, one of my biggest frustrations with him was has poor and sometimes apathetic defense. I had high hopes early on, But it was what it was. I think the only real advantage he'd have over Ayton currently is his free throw generation and his mid range/ iso scoring. But I agree that defense is more important to this team as currently constructed. Our offense (aside from our three point struggles) is pretty potent.

I too do also wonder if he had been under Monty and/ or played alongside Paul during his prime, IF his defensive trajectory would have been different? Also if we had a prime Amare at the 4, Would we have even drafted an Ayton? Would've Amare been an excellent compliment to Javale McGee if we had gotten him in his prime too? What kind of offensive/ defensive duo could that have been for us? How would an Ayton/ McGee duo fared against Giannis in the finals??

Ghost of Kleine · Post #1238 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:28 am

Xin Varlock (@XinNBA) Tweeted:
Two players defend more than 7 shots per game at the rim and hold them to more than 12% below their shooting averages:

Deandre Ayton and Rudy Gobert https://t.co/aoDTNkm1JV

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Ghost of Kleine · Post #1239 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:29 am

Xin Varlock (@XinNBA) Tweeted:
Deandre Ayton is shooting 81.3% in the restricted area on 5.6 FGA, 2nd only to Jarrett Allen (min 5 FGA). https://t.co/GSpsB04ZRQ

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Ghost of Kleine · Post #1240 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:46 pm

Mike Vigil (@protectedpick) Tweeted:
In the 5 games Ayton played without Booker he led the Suns in scoring with 19.4 points per game on 57.4% shooting and the Suns went 4-1.

All Star voters shouldn't punish good players on great teams who sacrifice in order for the team to win. Ayton is one of those players.

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