2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[Spida888]

If we can't deal Dragic to Dallas. How about a smaller trade with Mavs: Flynn for Moses Brown + maybe a 2nd?

[AkelaLoneWolf]

why the obsession with Moses Brown? I understand Dragic wants to go there but its tough to get salaries to match.
A deal with Min centered around Taurean Prince and Naz Reid might be good. Prince is a good reclamation project(I always thought he was what Demarre Carroll should've been) and Reid looks to be a 6'9" with a 7'3" wingspan, big man defends to the perimeter and can shoot threes on offense. would be a nice fit for this team.

[Spida888]

why the obsession with Moses Brown? I understand Dragic wants to go there but its tough to get salaries to match.
A deal with Min centered around Taurean Prince and Naz Reid might be good. Prince is a good reclamation project(I always thought he was what Demarre Carroll should've been) and Reid looks to be a 6'9" with a 7'3" wingspan, big man defends to the perimeter and can shoot threes on offense. would be a nice fit for this team.

He's a young big with some upside, locked in for multiple years on a cheap rookie contract. He's actually a 7 footer and can possibly help with rim protection and rebounds.

If Minny does that deal it's worth considering too. Reid actually looked pretty good for them last time I saw him, so not sure if Minny wants to get rid of him. Moses Brown is hardly getting any playing time, and I'm not high on Flynn.

[Bruin]

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[ItsDanger]

I like OKC's strategy of locking up 2nd rounders/undrafted guys to 4 year deals. Its financial security for guys who may or may not last in the NBA but also provides great flexibility to the team (easily traded also). And if the player excels, you got him on the cheap for maybe 2 of 4 years. Our management doesn't do that but gives them unguaranteed 2 yr deals sometimes? Is there some logic behind this? What OKC does is similar to what some MLB teams do.

[Morris_Shatford]

Sniffing around the trade board I came across a suggestion I am not sure about.

Would you move Dragic's expiring for LeVert?

I think they could at least get a 1st round pick from another team.

I hadn't thought his value was that low but it was proposed by a Pacers fan in the Trade forum so I figured maybe worth a discussion on value?

[douggood]

I like OKC's strategy of locking up 2nd rounders/undrafted guys to 4 year deals. Its financial security for guys who may or may not last in the NBA but also provides great flexibility to the team (easily traded also). And if the player excels, you got him on the cheap for maybe 2 of 4 years. Our management doesn't do that but gives them unguaranteed 2 yr deals sometimes? Is there some logic behind this? What OKC does is similar to what some MLB teams do.

2 years contract the players is a RFA at the end.
4 years contract the player is UFA at the end.

plus the thunder usually have higher 2nd round picks; early 30s so those players are more worthy of investment.

plus thunder have cap space/exemptions they arent using, so they give more than the minimum to get the 4 year contracts.

also minimum contracts can only be 2 years in length; thus why its the standard for most teams; thunder are just playing in a different sandbox right now.

[alpngso]

Chicago should trade for Siakam if they are certain they can make the ECF

[bboyskinnylegs]

Chicago should trade for Siakam if they are certain they can make the ECF

who would they trade us that we'd accept for Pascal?

[tecumseh18]

Chicago should trade for Siakam if they are certain they can make the ECF

who would they trade us that we'd accept for Pascal?

6' 7" of Grant [oops, I meant Patrick - damn, I got quoted] Williams - a non-shooter - isn't gonna solve our C problems.

But if you take the (frankly insane) view that Siakam is valueless to us and other teams, then such a deal might make sense for the Raptors. Oh wait ... salary matching with the Bulls will be virtually impossible. So this idea is a complete non-starter.

[Psubs]

Chicago should trade for Siakam if they are certain they can make the ECF

who would they trade us that we'd accept for Pascal?

6' 7" of Grant Williams - a non-shooter - isn't gonna solve our C problems.

But if you take the (frankly insane) view that Siakam is valueless to us and other teams, then such a deal might make sense for the Raptors. Oh wait ... salary matching with the Bulls will be virtually impossible. So this idea is a complete non-starter.

Toronto trades: Pascal, Flynn, Champagnie and cash($35 million)

Toronto gets: Patrick Williams, Coby White, Derrick Jones, Troy Brown and 2022 1st pick ($28 million)

That's within 25%. Though this would push Chicago into the luxury tax and will definitely be in the tax next season, but that is a championship contender for real.

PG Lonzo - Flynn
SG Lavine - Ayo
SF Derozan - Caruso
PF Pascal - Champagnie - Alize
C Vucevic - Bradley - Alize

Patrick Williams is out for the year but that would help the tank.

[Rodrickle]

not even close to enough for Siakam. Williams is a role player imo. Other players are meh, pick is low first. We also need a big and this doesn't address that. Much better options out there

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[Morris_Shatford]

why the obsession with Moses Brown? I understand Dragic wants to go there but its tough to get salaries to match.
A deal with Min centered around Taurean Prince and Naz Reid might be good. Prince is a good reclamation project(I always thought he was what Demarre Carroll should've been) and Reid looks to be a 6'9" with a 7'3" wingspan, big man defends to the perimeter and can shoot threes on offense. would be a nice fit for this team.

I like Reid;
He isn't spectacular but he is cheap this season and next and you retain his bird rights.

The challenge with the deal is that Prince expires anyway so adding a larger expiring in Dragic (unless they need it for a secondary deal) just pushes the Wolves over the tax line with no long term benefit.

There may be an easier way to get to Reid using Bouchers contract but we likely need a third team to assure that us as well as the Wolves stay under the tax line.

[Spida888]

who would they trade us that we'd accept for Pascal?

6' 7" of Grant Williams - a non-shooter - isn't gonna solve our C problems.

But if you take the (frankly insane) view that Siakam is valueless to us and other teams, then such a deal might make sense for the Raptors. Oh wait ... salary matching with the Bulls will be virtually impossible. So this idea is a complete non-starter.

Toronto trades: Pascal, Flynn, Champagnie and cash($35 million)

Toronto gets: Patrick Williams, Coby White, Derrick Jones, Troy Brown and 2022 1st pick ($28 million)

That's within 25%. Though this would push Chicago into the luxury tax and will definitely be in the tax next season, but that is a championship contender for real.

PG Lonzo - Flynn
SG Lavine - Ayo
SF Derozan - Caruso
PF Pascal - Champagnie - Alize
C Vucevic - Bradley - Alize

Patrick Williams is out for the year but that would help the tank.

I came up with a similar trade as well except I would give them Svi instead of Champagnie. Champagnie is on a two way so isn't taking up a roster spot, and earns very little.

I would also ask for the 2022 Portland pick. Ayo would be nice too but maybe I'm getting too greedy lol.

Thing is this Bulls team gave up 2 picks and a prospect for Vuc, and Pascal is defintely better than him. PWill has good potential but at the moment has a pretty bad net rtg. Fortunately, he's even younger than Barnes.

[Bruin]

who would they trade us that we'd accept for Pascal?

6' 7" of Grant Williams - a non-shooter - isn't gonna solve our C problems.

But if you take the (frankly insane) view that Siakam is valueless to us and other teams, then such a deal might make sense for the Raptors. Oh wait ... salary matching with the Bulls will be virtually impossible. So this idea is a complete non-starter.

Toronto trades: Pascal, Flynn, Champagnie and cash($35 million)

Toronto gets: Patrick Williams, Coby White, Derrick Jones, Troy Brown and 2022 1st pick ($28 million)

That's within 25%. Though this would push Chicago into the luxury tax and will definitely be in the tax next season, but that is a championship contender for real.

PG Lonzo - Flynn
SG Lavine - Ayo
SF Derozan - Caruso
PF Pascal - Champagnie - Alize
C Vucevic - Bradley - Alize

Patrick Williams is out for the year but that would help the tank.

I’d do it if it’s the Portland pick, not the bulls pick

[Oakvillehoops]

How would Christian wood work for us?

Starting to really question OGs health and I might consider him tradeable. He misses extended time every year for what never sounds like a serious injury

[Dennis 37]

I like OKC's strategy of locking up 2nd rounders/undrafted guys to 4 year deals. Its financial security for guys who may or may not last in the NBA but also provides great flexibility to the team (easily traded also). And if the player excels, you got him on the cheap for maybe 2 of 4 years. Our management doesn't do that but gives them unguaranteed 2 yr deals sometimes? Is there some logic behind this? What OKC does is similar to what some MLB teams do.

The theory behind only giving GTR a 2 guaranteed years plus player option is that a new TV deal will be put in place after his contract is up. Therefore resigning him then to a long contract is financially beneficial as the salary cap may shoot higher after the new TV deal.

Regardless, I would like to lock up players for more than 2+ years.

[10giz]

Masai won't make a splash unless we either get incredible value or have a chance at a real game changer. Doubtful.

What I would love is a super low risk, but high reward move that can have an impact. Would require some tweaking or bringing in a 3rd team but this is something I can see Masai going for.

Dragic + Boucher + Flynn

for

Brunson + Bullock + Moses + WCS

Brunson will be a UFA and I'm not sure DAL will want to fork out $$$ for him. Dragic cold essentially take his role (I'm assuming re-sign for a team friendly deal too) while keeping Flynn under cheap control for two more years. Brunson is someone I feel fits the DNA of the team and could absolutely see being signed to be our bench leader. Also can act as insurance in case of injury/trade to FVV.

Bullock is guy who's signed through next year with 23/24 being non-guaranteed so an easy contract to take and hopefully he can be a much more consistent option on our team than Svi as well as what he's been thus far in DAL. Meanwhile Moses we can try and develop to see if we can get anything out of him and WCS could simply be depth or a little trade chip as an expiring deal at 4M.

I know, the deal doesn't look like much, but some of our best deals were like that and I really think this could give our bench a little kick start without needing to give up assets/take unnecessary risks.

[Bruin]

Would you guys do a deal centered on Gary for RJ? I love Gary and he’s been huge so far this year, but with the situation of his contract, idk if he’s really gonna be here long term

RJ is having a down year but he’s shown he’s capable of being very good on both ends. He’s also got a more well rounded offensive game imo. Would love to bring him home

[PT416]

Masai won't make a splash unless we either get incredible value or have a chance at a real game changer. Doubtful.

What I would love is a super low risk, but high reward move that can have an impact. Would require some tweaking or bringing in a 3rd team but this is something I can see Masai going for.

Dragic + Boucher + Flynn

for

Brunson + Bullock + Moses + WCS

Brunson will be a UFA and I'm not sure DAL will want to fork out $$$ for him. Dragic cold essentially take his role (I'm assuming re-sign for a team friendly deal too) while keeping Flynn under cheap control for two more years. Brunson is someone I feel fits the DNA of the team and could absolutely see being signed to be our bench leader. Also can act as insurance in case of injury/trade to FVV.

Bullock is guy who's signed through next year with 23/24 being non-guaranteed so an easy contract to take and hopefully he can be a much more consistent option on our team than Svi as well as what he's been thus far in DAL. Meanwhile Moses we can try and develop to see if we can get anything out of him and WCS could simply be depth or a little trade chip as an expiring deal at 4M.

I know, the deal doesn't look like much, but some of our best deals were like that and I really think this could give our bench a little kick start without needing to give up assets/take unnecessary risks.

It does to me and I love it. Brunson is legit. We need depth badly. This is the type of trade that will equate to wins. It's not going to raise our ceiling as much as it raises our floor. As long as we're not using Boucher/Flynn for a bigger trade, this is a no brainer.