Can Raptors rookie Scottie Barnes be the next Giannis Antetokounmpo?

WaltFrazier · Post #41 » by **WaltFrazier** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:52 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:Scottie is his own player. There are elements to his game that are similar to Giannis, and others similar to Kawhi. His court vision/passing ability is better than both of them. His defense is worse than both.

If he can tighten up his handles, his game could be similar to how Magic/LeBron play. He definitely seems to read the game more like them than the other two.

That's right, the part about Magic/Lebron. The names mentioned like Pippen, Antwan J, Kawhi, don't fit because Scottie has the special court vision/passing that very few have. Magic, Lebron, Bird, even Webber had or have that.

brownbobcat · Post #42 » by **brownbobcat** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:32 pm

canada_dry wrote:
ruckus wrote:Giannis isn't a fair comparison. Neither is Kawhi.

I think Scottie has a softer touch around the rim than either of those 2 comparisons and I don't see Scottie becoming the freight train that Giannis is.

Scottie does need to work on his handle and continue to work on his perimeter game.

He actually reminds me more of a more perimeter-oriented CWebb. Same hands, similar touch inside, similar court vision. Webber was bigger but I see similarities in the way they move on the court.
That's an interesting comp

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You know, I suddenly thought about Lamar Odom. That might sound underwhelming at first, but Odom was gifted enough to be a #1 pick, just never fulfilled his potential. Odom-talent with Barnes' work ethic would be lethal.

Mikistan · Post #43 » by **Mikistan** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:41 pm

Protip when it comes to media/articles

If the article has a QUESTION as its title

the answer to the question is almost always NO

Raps in 4 · Post #44 » by **Raps in 4** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:46 pm

ontnut wrote:Lol has anyone in NBA history ever compared to Giannis? Dude is an outlier on the highest levels.
Comparing Barnes to Giannis is like comparing Zion to Shaq...

Giannis is a lot like Shaq. Relatively limited skillset. Dominates the game almost entirely based on strength and athleticism.

Raps in 4 · Post #45 » by **Raps in 4** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:48 pm

Barnes compares much better to strong wings than he does Giannis (he reminds me a lot of Kawhi in his approach on offence).

canada_dry · Post #46 » by **canada_dry** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:37 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:
bboyskinnylegs wrote:Scottie is his own player. There are elements to his game that are similar to Giannis, and others similar to Kawhi. His court vision/passing ability is better than both of them. His defense is worse than both.

If he can tighten up his handles, his game could be similar to how Magic/LeBron play. He definitely seems to read the game more like them than the other two.

That's right, the part about Magic/Lebron. The names mentioned like Pippen, Antwan J, Kawhi, don't fit because Scottie has the special court vision/passing that very few have. Magic, Lebron, Bird, even Webber had or have that.

Pippen has averaged 7 apg lol

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Rapsfan07 · Post #47 » by **Rapsfan07** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:53 pm

I see Kawhi lite.

They're both around the same height, decent playmakers and good scorers. Kawhi has him beat defensively and although some will argue he's only a rookie, Kawhi was much better defensively even as a rookie. Barnes however is showing that he's the better rebounder.

Offensively though, Kawhi scores most out of the high post-mid range area...at least that's what he prefers to go to. I don't know if Barnes offense will progress the same way...as of right now hes displayed some potential to be a three level scorer but it's too early to tell what he'll prefer to go to.

Time will tell. But if Scottie ever becomes even a slightly above average defender, he's a championship piece.

Yeezus_ · Post #48 » by **Yeezus_** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:57 pm

Lol and if he doesn’t become Kawhi or Giannis this board will turn on him in year 5 for not being a top 5 player.

Kingsway_fan · Post #49 » by **Kingsway_fan** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:59 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:I see Kawhi lite.

They're both around the same height, decent playmakers and good scorers. Kawhi has him beat defensively and although some will argue he's only a rookie, Kawhi was much better defensively even as a rookie. Barnes however is showing that he's the better rebounder.

Offensively though, Kawhi scores most out of the high post-mid range area...at least that's what he prefers to go to. I don't know if Barnes offense will progress the same way...as of right now hes displayed some potential to be a three level scorer but it's too early to tell what he'll prefer to go to.

Time will tell. But if Scottie ever becomes even a slightly above average defender, he's a championship piece.

When Scottie develops that "no more mr nice guy" he will be at another level .. right now he is deferring to the senior players on the raps, such as pascal and fred, but when that "I am taking charge" switch goes off .. then we can see what is truly possible, imo

RoyceDa59 · Post #50 » by **RoyceDa59** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:12 pm

The actual closest comparison, by far and it’s not close, is young Chris Webber.

I do think Scottie is the better defender, and is more determined for greatness and has potential to exceed what Webber did, but he’s the closest comparison.

Jcity08 · Post #51 » by **Jcity08** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:18 pm

Yeezus_ wrote:Lol and if he doesn’t become Kawhi or Giannis this board will turn on him in year 5 for not being a top 5 player.

Like they'll need to wait until year 5 to start tearing him down.

Brinbe · Post #52 » by **Brinbe** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:32 pm

The first Scottie Barnes

NotMyKawhi · Post #53 » by **NotMyKawhi** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:37 pm

I think he's shawn marrion 2.0

RoyceDa59 · Post #54 » by **RoyceDa59** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:44 pm

**Rare footage** Scottie Barnes in 2001:

Watch on YouTube

youngRAPZ · Post #55 » by **youngRAPZ** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:10 pm

Jcity08 wrote:
Yeezus_ wrote:Lol and if he doesn’t become Kawhi or Giannis this board will turn on him in year 5 for not being a top 5 player.

Like they'll need to wait until year 5 to start tearing him down.

lol year 5 is when the Scottie has to go thread will pop up because he’s on a max and not KL or Giannis

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johanliebert · Post #56 » by **johanliebert** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:02 pm

Someone has to fill us in on the kawhi comparisons. There’s gotta be more to it than big hands and a long wingspan combined with a defensive rep.

Pippen/magic are the best comparisons so far.

youngRAPZ · Post #57 » by **youngRAPZ** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:08 pm

johanliebert wrote:Someone has to fill us in on the kawhi comparisons. There’s gotta be more to it than big hands and a long wingspan combined with a defensive rep.

Pippen/magic are the best comparisons so far.

Tbh the way he dribbled and scores reminds me of KL. The fact of the matter is Scottie is Scottie so yes he might have more of a play making game than KL but that doesn’t mean he can’t remind someone of KL. I also see Magic in him with less flashy passing but similar vision.

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execoftheyear · Post #58 » by **execoftheyear** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:15 pm

RoyceDa59 wrote:**Rare footage** Scottie Barnes in 2001:

Watch on YouTube

glad I'm not the only one that sees similarities to C-Webb. C-Webb was definitely more of a post player while Barnes has been more perimeter oriented but I think Scottie will eventually get more post touches once he gets even stronger. He's already efficient scoring in the post.

WaltFrazier · Post #59 » by **WaltFrazier** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:27 pm

canada_dry wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:
bboyskinnylegs wrote:Scottie is his own player. There are elements to his game that are similar to Giannis, and others similar to Kawhi. His court vision/passing ability is better than both of them. His defense is worse than both.

If he can tighten up his handles, his game could be similar to how Magic/LeBron play. He definitely seems to read the game more like them than the other two.

That's right, the part about Magic/Lebron. The names mentioned like Pippen, Antwan J, Kawhi, don't fit because Scottie has the special court vision/passing that very few have. Magic, Lebron, Bird, even Webber had or have that.
Pippen has averaged 7 apg lol

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Yep, good passer, point guard handle, great player. But there is a level of passing vision that can't be quantified by any stats. Seeing passes that others don't see, the ones that surprise everyone, and you say, how did he even see that guy open. Scottie Barnes has that magic. Pippen did not, not the same way.

dc · Post #60 » by dc » Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:14 pm

RoyceDa59 wrote:The actual closest comparison, by far and it’s not close, is young Chris Webber.

I do think Scottie is the better defender, and is more determined for greatness and has potential to exceed what Webber did, but he’s the closest comparison.

You must not have watched young Chris Webber.

Young Chris Webber (early 20s) was an absolute force around the basket offensively. He was a mini Shaq and strictly an inside player. He'd dunk everything within 5 feet and there wasn't much anybody could do about it.

And he basically had the shooting prowess of current Ben Simmons. He would rarely attempt any shots outside of 8 feet.

It wasn't until he got to Sac (age 26) that he started expanding his game outside and started developing a Malone like jumper from 15 ft out. Even then, he rarely attempted 3s. Though Webber was a highly skilled big at the time, nobody ever confused him for a point forward or full time playmaker. He was a bigman through and through.

He didn't like playing C but in today's game he'd pretty much be a full time C.