Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[Kingsway_fan]

David thorpe's assessent of raptor utilization of scottie: genius.
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He points to GS's use of james wiseman during the first 6 months of his rookie season of how it's possible to "destroy" a prospect. A step-back in a player's development timeline that can take years to recover from....sometimes they never fully recover.

He also addresses the suggestion of letting scottie run the point: way too soon. Handle not good enough. Will destroy his confidence.

Thorpe claims the proper way to develop scottie: pile the defensive responsibity onto him. On offense....let him play off everyone else while he learns more. Which is exactly what we're doing.

Well said. Good insights...

[links135]

Also have a listen at the Ringer’s NBA podcast talk about the top 3 rookies in the NBA (Mobley, Cunningham and Barnes).

https://www.theringer.com/2021/12/7/22822796/closer-looks-at-evan-mobley-cade-cunningham-and-scottie-barnes

The guys (Tjarks and Kyle Mann) absolutely gushed about Barnes. Say he’ll absolutely be a high level player on a championship caliber team like Andre Igoudala.
Tjarks did make a good point to not over emphasize his 3 point shooting, as he will best with guys around him that open up space. Went on to draw comparison to fit version of Diaw and a Kyle Anderson type of player.

The reason Nurse insisted that Scottie start taking 3s is because everyone was playing off him and clogging the lane.

Those 3s are going to continue being open for scottie. He will end up shooting poorly. That's a FACT.

Umm, dude is shooting like 49% from midrange, while 13/29 from 3 in his last 7 good for 48%. So while that'll surely drop..... i'm not convinced he'll be shooting poorly, not to mention what that opens up for his teammates and himself with driving lanes.

What I much prefer is instead of Iso/PNR/Iso/PNR basketball, they're running more high post offball screens between FVV and Siakam which plays into all their strengths while making the offence less predictable.

[seanbig]

David thorpe's assessent of raptor utilization of scottie: genius.
.
He points to GS's use of james wiseman during the first 6 months of his rookie season of how it's possible to "destroy" a prospect. A step-back in a player's development timeline that can take years to recover from....sometimes they never fully recover.

He also addresses the suggestion of letting scottie run the point: way too soon. Handle not good enough. Will destroy his confidence.

Thorpe claims the proper way to develop scottie: pile the defensive responsibity onto him. On offense....let him play off everyone else while he learns more. Which is exactly what we're doing.

Well said. Good insights...

I listened to that pod and was pleasantly surprised by his take

Stop dwelling on the ROY award line it’s a kindergarten prize

Be happy for what you have

Realize that Scottie is defending the hardest player on the field oposite team and making decisions on offense and having him run more offense may be too much too fast

It’s like putting your kid in hockey soccer basketball limón piano and then having him want to quit everything

[links135]

David thorpe's assessent of raptor utilization of scottie: genius.
.
He points to GS's use of james wiseman during the first 6 months of his rookie season of how it's possible to "destroy" a prospect. A step-back in a player's development timeline that can take years to recover from....sometimes they never fully recover.

He also addresses the suggestion of letting scottie run the point: way too soon. Handle not good enough. Will destroy his confidence.

Thorpe claims the proper way to develop scottie: pile the defensive responsibity onto him. On offense....let him play off everyone else while he learns more. Which is exactly what we're doing.

Well said. Good insights...

I listened to that pod and was pleasantly surprised by his take

Stop dwelling on the ROY award line it’s a kindergarten prize

Be happy for what you have

Realize that Scottie is defending the hardest player on the field oposite team and making decisions on offense and having him run more offense may be too much too fast

It’s like putting your kid in hockey soccer basketball limón piano and then having him want to quit everything

For me it's not Oh man Scottie needs to be taking 25 shots a game

It' more man, Flynn has a higher usage rate lately and Achuiwa's per 36 FG attempts are nearly similar to Barnes.

Again though, throwing it to Barnes in the high post to run offball screens is exactly what I was hoping for, instead of just posting him up, having him get doubled and our spacing is crap.

[canada_dry]

I wish more ppl on this board would listen to david thorpe.

Stop whining about scottie's touches. He is developing well. Stop worrying about his stat sheets. Stop worrying about the ROY. None of that stuff matters.

Could be that we are still using the Vince carter model in assessing potential superstar rookie seasons. That's not how this usually works. As thorpe points out: giannis didnt win ROY, Jokic didnt win ROY, Harden didn't win ROY. Go look at how many players who win MVP in a given year won ROY their first season. And for how many of them....their drafting team dropped everything immediately and started running the team through them during their rookie seasons.

Stop whining. Barnes is learning how to play. This idea that "its scottie's team now" and "we need to run everything through scottie" is not only stupid....it's likely to be counter-productive. We could seriously stunt his development.

If you just stop caring about his stats and the ROY you will think more rationally about this. It doesnt matter.

We are probably the 16th best team last season. Due to injuries/covid/tampa bay we dropped to 24th. Then we won the lottery and dropped to 27th. Then we outdrafted other teams and got probably the second best player in draft (ie 29th). All very fortunate.

Its the typical admittedly low iq group that complains and complains without really understanding the intricacies of what goes into it.

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[NotMyKawhi]

pin this thread, this guy never lets you down

[Bruin]

He’s really turned up defensively recently. He still has moments where he makes a big mistake defensively, but it’s quite clear he’s learning and beginning to get a hang of things

[JN]

scottie will be a career 20+, 10+, 5+ guy w great d

This really is the new scottie pippen. We just need a Jordan and we are set for life

Except Scottie Pippen is a career 16, 6 and 5 guy with great D. The numbers you just posted are Larry Bird career averages, and if Scottie Barnes is the next Bird then we don't need a Jordan.

I think 20-7-6 is a more accurate reflection of Scottie Pippen (not 16-6-5). Those were Scottie's averages in his 8 prime years (the years the bulls won 6 titles)

It's a bit inaccurate to look at Scottie's career averages to define a "Pippen" type player as they includes his first two years which were developmental and has last 5 years when he was clearly on the decline (Averaging 6 to 12 points a year).

[JN]

I think one thing that hurts Barnes in his current role is his "point guard" instincts. He doesn't set himself up to be in an attack stance / ready to shoot stance when the ball is passed to him.

Barnes gets handed the ball and the decision is often to "wait and scan" in that he looks over the play looking to set something up. Its the way a point thinks when they get the ball with time on the clock.

Its not necessarily a bad thing "to scan", but he needs to puts himself in a position to attack more often when he immediately gets the ball. A balance needs to be achieved or more confident instincts in when to do both "Scan" or "attack" needs to be achieved.

Am I asking him to be a constant chucker like Trent or Boucher. Nope. But when Trent or Boucher receive the ball on the perimeter they set themselves to be in an attack position and ready to drive or shoot. Barnes needs a little bit of that from time to time.

[will]

The evolution of Scottie Barnes as an NBA basketball player.

What a time.

[Bruin]

It’s pretty impressive how even though he started 1/5, he still managed to finish the game at 50%. He’s done this a couple times this season already. That shows a lot of mental resolve. More often than not, rookies tend to let a poor start last throughout the entire game.

We’ve seen it with Jalen Green several times. If green starts out well, he’ll have a good game. When he starts poorly, he never recovers (out of the games he’s played so far) and ends up having a bad game

Having such a strong mental resolve is really impressive for Scottie as a rookie. I’ve noticed Mobley is also like this. Both are extremely impressive for that

[will]

It’s pretty impressive how even though he started 1/5, he still managed to finish the game at 50%. He’s done this a couple times this season already. That shows a lot of mental resolve. More often than not, rookies tend to let a poor start last throughout the entire game.

We’ve seen it with Jalen Green several times. If green starts out well, he’ll have a good game. When he starts poorly, he never recovers (out of the games he’s played so far) and ends up having a bad game

Having such a strong mental resolve is really impressive for Scottie as a rookie. I’ve noticed Mobley is also like this. Both are extremely impressive for that

It looked like Nicky ran one play for Scottie out of a time out there in the second half.

Other than that, the kid is really feeding off scraps.

His willingness to chase down loose balls (pause) on both sides of the court is something that is greatly welcomed to the squad.

[DreamTeam09]

He should never attempt a lay up. Either dunk it, attempt to dunk it, or stop and get to a floater or jump hook. He's a sick player to have on your team tho. He plays better playing with better players.

[Truthrising]

Didn't watch the game but it looked like Barnes was the player of the game 12/15/3/2/2 50% shooting..those are some damn good numbers.

[WuTang_CMB]

Outstanding game. First player since Tmac with that line.

[Badonkadonk]

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[LoveMyRaps]

Man we're so blessed to have Scottie. Love everything about this kid....

[hype_2004]

Thought he had a couple of more blocks that wasn't counted, he was everywhere in this game played like prime KIRILENKO!

[Reeko]

scottie will be a career 20+, 10+, 5+ guy w great d

This really is the new scottie pippen. We just need a Jordan and we are set for life

Except Scottie Pippen is a career 16, 6 and 5 guy with great D. The numbers you just posted are Larry Bird career averages, and if Scottie Barnes is the next Bird then we don't need a Jordan.

I think 20-7-6 is a more accurate reflection of Scottie Pippen (not 16-6-5). Those were Scottie's averages in his 8 prime years (the years the bulls won 6 titles)

It's a bit inaccurate to look at Scottie's career averages to define a "Pippen" type player as they includes his first two years which were developmental and has last 5 years when he was clearly on the decline (Averaging 6 to 12 points a year).

Ok, but the OP said career averages, not what Barnes would average in his prime. The point stands, if Scottie averages 20+, 10+, and 5+ over the course of his career we are talking about a potential top 10 player of all time, as opposed to a top 50 player of all time.

[LoveMyRaps]

Except Scottie Pippen is a career 16, 6 and 5 guy with great D. The numbers you just posted are Larry Bird career averages, and if Scottie Barnes is the next Bird then we don't need a Jordan.

I think 20-7-6 is a more accurate reflection of Scottie Pippen (not 16-6-5). Those were Scottie's averages in his 8 prime years (the years the bulls won 6 titles)

It's a bit inaccurate to look at Scottie's career averages to define a "Pippen" type player as they includes his first two years which were developmental and has last 5 years when he was clearly on the decline (Averaging 6 to 12 points a year).

Ok, but the OP said career averages, not what Barnes would average in his prime. The point stands, if Scottie averages 20+, 10+, and 5+ over the course of his career we are talking about a potential top 10 player of all time, as opposed to a top 50 player of all time.

He's already top 10 in my books. Scottie's so inspirational.