2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 3)

[cupcakesnake]

I don't get the Barnes and Mobley fan bases are getting personal about this. It's not like one was picked over the other in a way where someone got snubbed. Mobley's project basement was the #3 pick, so if anything Mobley fans should be going at Jalen Green fans. Scottie Barnes draft ceiling was where he was drafted, and most people were surprised to see him taken that high. Great pick by the Raps, and Cavs fans are thrilled Mobley fell to them at 3.

Both are very exciting rookies that deserve the hype. They probably both have some ups and downs coming their way this season. Statistically they've very similar. Mobley is getting some extra hype for some spectacular defensive play being a big part of an unexpected Cavs turnaround. It's too soon to shut the door on a rookie race where no one is standing out statistically. Cade has been improving after a cold shooting start and he'll get into it. Mobley could hit a rookie wall. Barnes could lose minutes when OG comes back. Someone could get injured etc. Everyone relax and enjoy the rookie ride.

[bisme37]

I don't get the Barnes and Mobley fan bases are getting personal about this. It's not like one was picked over the other in a way where someone got snubbed. Mobley's project basement was the #3 pick, so if anything Mobley fans should be going at Jalen Green fans. Scottie Barnes draft ceiling was where he was drafted, and most people were surprised to see him taken that high. Great pick by the Raps, and Cavs fans are thrilled Mobley fell to them at 3.

Both are very exciting rookies that deserve the hype. They probably both have some ups and downs coming their way this season. Statistically they've very similar. Mobley is getting some extra hype for some spectacular defensive play being a big part of an unexpected Cavs turnaround. It's too soon to shut the door on a rookie race where no one is standing out statistically. Cade has been improving after a cold shooting start and he'll get into it. Mobley could hit a rookie wall. Barnes could lose minutes when OG comes back. Someone could get injured etc. Everyone relax and enjoy the rookie ride.

[orlando_joe]

[quote="Tripod"]I will say it again, no one thought Barnes would be at the top of rookie scoring this year. If so many experts and casuals can be wrong just a few months later, trying to say "for sure" how the rest of this season.....and their careers play out, is foolish. It's like the weatherman who can't get right what tbe weather will be in 2 days, trying to tell me what it will be in 14 days.

This rookie class is great. Let's try and enjoy seeing so many kids having good impacts on their teams.[/quote

[ItsDanger]

Mobley's defensive impact can be hard to quantify accurately. But it's been huge on that team. Scottie just came off maybe his best all around game and has the edge offensively. Still think Cade may take it as PPG stat drives the voting. He's slowly heating up.

Can't accuse others of being toxic while posting toxic comments.

[Bruin]

I don't get the Barnes and Mobley fan bases are getting personal about this. It's not like one was picked over the other in a way where someone got snubbed. Mobley's project basement was the #3 pick, so if anything Mobley fans should be going at Jalen Green fans. Scottie Barnes draft ceiling was where he was drafted, and most people were surprised to see him taken that high. Great pick by the Raps, and Cavs fans are thrilled Mobley fell to them at 3.

Both are very exciting rookies that deserve the hype. They probably both have some ups and downs coming their way this season. Statistically they've very similar. Mobley is getting some extra hype for some spectacular defensive play being a big part of an unexpected Cavs turnaround. It's too soon to shut the door on a rookie race where no one is standing out statistically. Cade has been improving after a cold shooting start and he'll get into it. Mobley could hit a rookie wall. Barnes could lose minutes when OG comes back. Someone could get injured etc. Everyone relax and enjoy the rookie ride.

Tbh most Raptors fans have been positive regarding Mobley and have acknowledged that’s he’s great. Seems that Cavs fans (and Magic fans for whatever reason) have been the ones mostly putting down Barnes to prop up Mobley as being so far ahead

Even on the Raptors board, most people have been very complimentary about Mobley (and Cade too). Obviously there’s a few outliers though

But seems the Mobley stans feel the need to dump on Barnes for whatever reason

[QingJames]

I don't get the Barnes and Mobley fan bases are getting personal about this.

It’s because the Mobley guys are saying Barnes has “no argument” for ROY and shouldn’t even be in the same conversation as Mobley. That hyperbolic disrespect is literally the only reason.

You don’t see Barnes stans saying that about Cade, Giddey, Wagner, etc.

[zaymon]

I don't get the Barnes and Mobley fan bases are getting personal about this.

It’s because the Mobley guys are saying Barnes has “no argument” for ROY and shouldn’t even be in the same conversation as Mobley. That hyperbolic disrespect is literally the only reason.

You don’t see Barnes stans saying that about Cade, Giddey, Wagner, etc.

Some Barnes fans are as disrespecful towards other rookies as some Mobley fans or even more.
You would think there are only 2 good rookies this year reading comments. Its easy to dismiss other players when you dont watch them at all. Some years there is more good new players than 2.

[bisme37]

I don't get the Barnes and Mobley fan bases are getting personal about this. It's not like one was picked over the other in a way where someone got snubbed. Mobley's project basement was the #3 pick, so if anything Mobley fans should be going at Jalen Green fans. Scottie Barnes draft ceiling was where he was drafted, and most people were surprised to see him taken that high. Great pick by the Raps, and Cavs fans are thrilled Mobley fell to them at 3.

Both are very exciting rookies that deserve the hype. They probably both have some ups and downs coming their way this season. Statistically they've very similar. Mobley is getting some extra hype for some spectacular defensive play being a big part of an unexpected Cavs turnaround. It's too soon to shut the door on a rookie race where no one is standing out statistically. Cade has been improving after a cold shooting start and he'll get into it. Mobley could hit a rookie wall. Barnes could lose minutes when OG comes back. Someone could get injured etc. Everyone relax and enjoy the rookie ride.

Tbh most Raptors fans have been positive regarding Mobley and have acknowledged that’s he’s great. Seems that Cavs fans (and Magic fans for whatever reason) have been the ones mostly putting down Barnes to prop up Mobley as being so far ahead

Even on the Raptors board, most people have been very complimentary about Mobley (and Cade too). Obviously there’s a few outliers though

But seems the Mobley stans feel the need to dump on Barnes for whatever reason

I was with you until the "Mobley stans" thing at the end. I'm guessing you don't realize that's frowned upon since you said it in reply to a mod. So this isn't a warning as much as a reminder. It's considered baiting and it's inappropriate.

We're trying to get some of the current toxicity out of the thread. Help us out, everyone. Thanks.

[Bruin]

I don't get the Barnes and Mobley fan bases are getting personal about this.

It’s because the Mobley guys are saying Barnes has “no argument” for ROY and shouldn’t even be in the same conversation as Mobley. That hyperbolic disrespect is literally the only reason.

You don’t see Barnes stans saying that about Cade, Giddey, Wagner, etc.

Some Barnes fans are as disrespecful towards other rookies as some Mobley fans or even more.
You would think there are only 2 good rookies this year reading comments. Its easy to dismiss other players when you dont watch them at all. Some years there is more good new players than 2.

Raptors fans have acknowledged several other rookies. Including guys like Wagner, Bouknight, Cade, Giddey, Bones Hyland, BJ Boston, Duarte, etc

Every fan base has guys who ignore rooks that’s aren’t on their own team, but a lot of us aren’t.

Mobley fans are out here saying fully saying that Barnes isn’t even close to Mobley. They’re putting down Barnes to prop up Mobley. I’d say that’s much worse considering most Raptors fans have acknowledged how great Mobley has been

[CptCrunch]

It’s because the Mobley guys are saying Barnes has “no argument” for ROY and shouldn’t even be in the same conversation as Mobley. That hyperbolic disrespect is literally the only reason.

You don’t see Barnes stans saying that about Cade, Giddey, Wagner, etc.

Some Barnes fans are as disrespecful towards other rookies as some Mobley fans or even more.
You would think there are only 2 good rookies this year reading comments. Its easy to dismiss other players when you dont watch them at all. Some years there is more good new players than 2.

Raptors fans have acknowledged several other rookies. Including guys like Wagner, Bouknight, Cade, Giddey, Bones Hyland, BJ Boston, Duarte, etc

Every fan base has guys who ignore rooks that’s aren’t on their own team, but a lot of us aren’t.

Mobley fans are out here saying fully saying that Barnes isn’t even close to Mobley. They’re putting down Barnes to prop up Mobley. I’d say that’s much worse considering most Raptors fans have acknowledged how great Mobley has been

Just because you acknowledge something doesn't make it right/true.

The gist of the issue that many fans of teams together than Raptor/Cavs see Mobley as generational. Raptors fan (in general) cannot acknowledge this fact and insist that Barnes is close to Mobley in impact despite. Praising other players drafted after Barnes is basically an attempt at feigning impartiality. Same holds for the narrative (driven by Raptors fans) currently being parroted that Allen is the driving force behind the Cavs' resurgence/defensive aptitude. This idea is not even accepted by Cavs fans who actually watch their own games.

The contention is whether is Barnes is even close to Mobley. The answer is no for the vast majority of non-Raptor posters here. No one is denying the idea that Barnes has been amazing. In most years, he would be the front runner for the best rookie. Except this year, there is someone who is just a whole tier or even three higher.

[orlando_joe]

I don't get the Barnes and Mobley fan bases are getting personal about this. It's not like one was picked over the other in a way where someone got snubbed. Mobley's project basement was the #3 pick, so if anything Mobley fans should be going at Jalen Green fans. Scottie Barnes draft ceiling was where he was drafted, and most people were surprised to see him taken that high. Great pick by the Raps, and Cavs fans are thrilled Mobley fell to them at 3.

Both are very exciting rookies that deserve the hype. They probably both have some ups and downs coming their way this season. Statistically they've very similar. Mobley is getting some extra hype for some spectacular defensive play being a big part of an unexpected Cavs turnaround. It's too soon to shut the door on a rookie race where no one is standing out statistically. Cade has been improving after a cold shooting start and he'll get into it. Mobley could hit a rookie wall. Barnes could lose minutes when OG comes back. Someone could get injured etc. Everyone relax and enjoy the rookie ride.

Tbh most Raptors fans have been positive regarding Mobley and have acknowledged that’s he’s great. Seems that Cavs fans (and Magic fans for whatever reason) have been the ones mostly putting down Barnes to prop up Mobley as being so far ahead

Even on the Raptors board, most people have been very complimentary about Mobley (and Cade too). Obviously there’s a few outliers though

But seems the Mobley stans feel the need to dump on Barnes for whatever reason

magic fans? really?

[Bruin]

Some Barnes fans are as disrespecful towards other rookies as some Mobley fans or even more.
You would think there are only 2 good rookies this year reading comments. Its easy to dismiss other players when you dont watch them at all. Some years there is more good new players than 2.

Raptors fans have acknowledged several other rookies. Including guys like Wagner, Bouknight, Cade, Giddey, Bones Hyland, BJ Boston, Duarte, etc

Every fan base has guys who ignore rooks that’s aren’t on their own team, but a lot of us aren’t.

Mobley fans are out here saying fully saying that Barnes isn’t even close to Mobley. They’re putting down Barnes to prop up Mobley. I’d say that’s much worse considering most Raptors fans have acknowledged how great Mobley has been

Just because you acknowledge something doesn't make it right/true.

The gist of the issue that many fans of teams together than Raptor/Cavs see Mobley as generational. Raptors fan (in general) cannot acknowledge this fact and insist that Barnes is close to Mobley in impact despite. Praising other players drafted after Barnes is basically an attempt at feigning impartiality.

Lol what? So being complimentary of other rookies has to because I’m attempting at feigning impartiality? It can’t just be because I like their game?

Mobley is great, nobody has denied this. But saying Barnes is so far below him is pretty stupid, especially when the stats suggest they’re pretty damn close. Someone even posted several advanced stats earlier that showed Scottie is better offensively right now

Mobley is great. Doesn’t mean Barnes isn’t great either. This mentality that some of you have is so damn dense

[Bruin]

I don't get the Barnes and Mobley fan bases are getting personal about this. It's not like one was picked over the other in a way where someone got snubbed. Mobley's project basement was the #3 pick, so if anything Mobley fans should be going at Jalen Green fans. Scottie Barnes draft ceiling was where he was drafted, and most people were surprised to see him taken that high. Great pick by the Raps, and Cavs fans are thrilled Mobley fell to them at 3.

Both are very exciting rookies that deserve the hype. They probably both have some ups and downs coming their way this season. Statistically they've very similar. Mobley is getting some extra hype for some spectacular defensive play being a big part of an unexpected Cavs turnaround. It's too soon to shut the door on a rookie race where no one is standing out statistically. Cade has been improving after a cold shooting start and he'll get into it. Mobley could hit a rookie wall. Barnes could lose minutes when OG comes back. Someone could get injured etc. Everyone relax and enjoy the rookie ride.

Tbh most Raptors fans have been positive regarding Mobley and have acknowledged that’s he’s great. Seems that Cavs fans (and Magic fans for whatever reason) have been the ones mostly putting down Barnes to prop up Mobley as being so far ahead

Even on the Raptors board, most people have been very complimentary about Mobley (and Cade too). Obviously there’s a few outliers though

But seems the Mobley stans feel the need to dump on Barnes for whatever reason

magic fans? really?

Yes, not nearly as much as Cavs fans, but I’ve seen many magic fans dump on Scottie. Particularly on Twitter and Reddit

[Bruin]

Three tiers higher

I’ve seen enough. The delusion is starting to take over

[orlando_joe]

Tbh most Raptors fans have been positive regarding Mobley and have acknowledged that’s he’s great. Seems that Cavs fans (and Magic fans for whatever reason) have been the ones mostly putting down Barnes to prop up Mobley as being so far ahead

Even on the Raptors board, most people have been very complimentary about Mobley (and Cade too). Obviously there’s a few outliers though

But seems the Mobley stans feel the need to dump on Barnes for whatever reason

magic fans? really?

Yes, not nearly as much as Cavs fans, but I’ve seen many magic fans dump on Scottie. Particularly on Twitter and Reddit

i dont follow either ...but have you read any of the last 35 pages..lol..pretty one sided....i think you know .cough

[Bruin]

magic fans? really?

Yes, not nearly as much as Cavs fans, but I’ve seen many magic fans dump on Scottie. Particularly on Twitter and Reddit

i dont follow either ...but have you read any of the last 35 pages..lol..pretty one sided....i think you know .cough

Not sure what you mean but alright. Also, it probably does look more one sided cause the amount of Raptors to Magic fan representation on this board is insanely different. On Twitter though, it’s definitely not “one sided”

[Bruin]

Posted earlier by Normgod6

Offensive RAPTOR: Mobley: -2.7, Barnes: +1.0
Offensive EPM: Mobley: -1.1, Barnes: +0.5
Offensive DPM: Mobley: -1.3, Barnes 0
Offensive BPM: Mobley: -0.4, Barnes: 0.5

But apparently Mobley is 3 tiers above him. He’s better defensively, yeah. But Scottie isn’t a bad defender himself. Mobley is leading the ROTY race rn, I acknowledge that. But saying crap like Mobley is that far better and “three tiers even” is just dumb

[CptCrunch]

Three tiers higher

I’ve seen enough. The delusion is starting to take over

Duncan/KG ceiling is indeed 3 tiers higher than a nice all-star.

Being blinded by homerism is a disease.

We have lived through this with Raptors fans parading Siakam around as the MVP. Bro, he has only been playing basketball for 6 months. His ceiling is unlimited

[Bruin]

Three tiers higher

I’ve seen enough. The delusion is starting to take over

Duncan/KG ceiling is indeed 3 tiers higher than a nice all-star.

Being blinded by homerism is a disease.

It’s funny that you are comparing Mobleys ceiling against an average outcome for Barnes “a nice all star”.

How about Barnes ceiling? You think Barnes ceiling is just “a nice all star”?

[Bruin]

This is what I mean by Mobley Stan’s needing to dump on Barnes to prop up Mobley. Comparing one players ceiling to the other players non ceiling outcome as an attempt to say one is 3 tiers higher. So dense

They can both be great. Idk why it’s so difficult for some people lol