Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition

Dave DaButcher · Post #541 » by **Dave DaButcher** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:41 pm

snadler wrote:

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Good news: that horrible proposed trade won’t happen.

Bad news: we still stink.

Post #542 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:52 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
K-DOT wrote:If he starts falling off at 33, 34 and we've given him the 90 million extension he wants, that's the nightmare scenario, cause we'd be paying him until he's 37

I'm just gonna keep saying, it's ridiculous to want us to rush into a Dame trade without planning ahead, cause if you trade for Dame, you still need help, and you don't have time to wait to get him it. People can say being hesitant is the same mistake we made with Chris Paul, but let's be real, CP3 and Randle isn't winning us a chip, and he is declining. Maybe not as drastic as some people projected, but still. If all we did was trade for CP3, and extended him until 2025, we would not be in a good place

And I don't think marginal moves are gonna cut it. Like, who else would we be able to get? Simmons is probably the best player on the market, but him and Randle are an awkward fit, and if you trade Randle for him, you still run into the problem that Dame/Simmons/Fournier is not good enough. Maybe we could trade for some of the Pacers' guys, like Sabonis might be good enough as a 2nd/3rd option with Randle, or we could go for LeVert/Turner, but we'd have to use up the rest of our assets to do so

Dame/Rose
Lamb (or Holiday)
LeVert
Randle/Knox
Turner/Sims

And like, I like that starting group, I think if Randle plays up to his potential on defense, Dame's the only weak link and LeVert has potential to be a good tertiary ball handler, but there'd be literally no bench. When Knox is your 2nd best bench player, you're in trouble (and he's only still here cause I don't consider him to be an asset), and we'd have no 1sts in the forseeable future to get young, cheap bench guys, we'd be reliant on vet mins and UDFAs.

Yea, we would pretty much have to rebuild the team around Dame since the pieces dont fit great and we would be missing a lot of others. It wouldnt be easy.

I dont see Randle/Dame as an ideal pairing. Even without Dame its hard to see how we can build around Randle to get to that level. Probably need to look to move Randle either way, although it wont happen.

When I was pleading for a rebuild here two years ago as an option if we didn’t land Kawhi, KD or Butler, I already told y’all that Randle was not a player you’d want to start a team with. You don’t start building a house around the windows. We should’ve rebuilt. Randle then exploded from bad to very good, I get that. But he’s just not that prime talent you need, still he’ll occupy the ball, turn it over a lot, shoot mediocre numbers from outside. If we had Dame to go with him, things would look better.

Ideally he’s a finisher and players like Steph or Booker create his scoring options. But if he always plays like Melo, you’ll have to face the reality that even the original couldn’t get it done.

What do we do now? Randle is a nice player, but we need our 25-27 ppg scorer to take the ball away from him. Do you think we could get Dame?

It sounds like Dame isn't available now anyway. If he does come available im sure we'll be in the conversation. But it's just hard for me to see how a Dame trade could work out unless we have other deals or another star lined up. Don't see Dame/Randle and role players going far

Marty McFly · Post #543 » by **Marty McFly** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:15 am

it'd be a lot more reasonable for PDX to trade for Randle to pair with Dame, then it is for the knicks to trade Dame.

the knicks pretty much have to luck out in the lotto, and then the draft in order to find that number 1 guy. don't see it happening any other way.

seren · Post #544 » by **seren** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:37 am

Blazers could use some inferior offense. Someone who could take the scoring pressure off of Lillard and McCollum. Covington and Nurkic or Larry Nance plus couple of first rounders for Randle should work for both teams

seren · Post #545 » by **seren** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:40 am

Lakers need more shooting around LBJ and Westbrook. THT, Monk, Reaves maybe another filler contract for Fournier work under the checker. Lakers needs to add couple of second rounders and a 2027 first rounder

seren · Post #546 » by **seren** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 2:15 am

Another Randle candidate: Philly. They want a top 25 player. Randle made the all star team last year so it works. Randle for Simmons

8516knicks · Post #547 » by **8516knicks** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:18 am

we have NO ONE anyone else would want - check today's box score.

HarthorneWingo · Post #548 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:45 am

seren wrote:Another Randle candidate: Philly. They want a top 25 player. Randle made the all star team last year so it works. Randle for Simmons

Randle
Tobias Harris
Embiid
Maxey
Curry

Ma10 · Post #549 » by **Ma10** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:19 pm

Thats basically what I said. I don't think that Philly will get what they are looking for. The starting should look like this.

Simmons
Burks
Barrett
Toppin
Turner

RandlesCornrows · Post #550 » by **RandlesCornrows** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:05 pm

TO NYK: Ben Simmons
To PHI: Julius Randle, Jalen Brunson, Reggie Bullock
To DAL: Tobias Harris

F N 11 · Post #551 » by **F N 11** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:48 pm

RandlesCornrows wrote:TO NYK: Ben Simmons
To PHI: Julius Randle, Jalen Brunson, Reggie Bullock
To DAL: Tobias Harris

Everybody wins but Randle can’t be traded until February I think.

Richard4444 · Post #552 » by **Richard4444** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:54 pm

F N 11 wrote:
RandlesCornrows wrote:TO NYK: Ben Simmons
To PHI: Julius Randle, Jalen Brunson, Reggie Bullock
To DAL: Tobias Harris

Everybody wins but Randle can’t be traded until February I think.

February, 2th, 6 months after his extension.

Richard4444 · Post #553 » by **Richard4444** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:56 pm

seren wrote:Another Randle candidate: Philly. They want a top 25 player. Randle made the all star team last year so it works. Randle for Simmons

How would be Embiid/Randle pairing?

RHODEY · Post #554 » by **RHODEY** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:57 pm

Buy low sell high...Knicks could go for Zion....let him sit out the season ... risky but why not

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Richard4444 · Post #555 » by **Richard4444** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:44 pm

RHODEY wrote:Buy low sell high...Knicks could go for Zion....let him sit out the season ... risky but why not ?

Pelicans will not sell. They are more desperate than us for a little hope...

RHODEY · Post #556 » by **RHODEY** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:35 am

Richard4444 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:Buy low sell high...Knicks could go for Zion....let him sit out the season ... risky but why not ?

Pelicans will not sell. They are more desperate than us for a little hope...

Even if they felt Zion wasn't going to stick around after his contract lapses?

Post #557 » by **Capn'O** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:09 am

RHODEY wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:Buy low sell high...Knicks could go for Zion....let him sit out the season ... risky but why not ?

Pelicans will not sell. They are more desperate than us for a little hope...

Even if they felt Zion wasn't going to stick around after his contract lapses?

Extension time is looming too. Circle the vultures.

Richard4444 · Post #558 » by **Richard4444** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:46 am

RHODEY wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:Buy low sell high...Knicks could go for Zion....let him sit out the season ... risky but why not ?

Pelicans will not sell. They are more desperate than us for a little hope...

Even if they felt Zion wasn't going to stick around after his contract lapses?

If Zion refuses the max and gets the QO, he has to be committed to an asylum. He is some pounds away from early retirement.

robillionaire · Post #559 » by **robillionaire** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:53 am

Richard4444 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
Pelicans will not sell. They are more desperate than us for a little hope...

Even if they felt Zion wasn't going to stick around after his contract lapses?

If Zion refuses the max and gets the QO, he has to be committed to an asylum. He is some pounds away from early retirement.

Maybe the Pelicans should be committed to an asylum if they give a morbidly obese and chronically injured bust a max contract

I mean we are in year 3 now and he’s ballooned up to 330 lbs and has a bad foot and can’t play

Do the pelicans really want to keep doing this

Jeffrey · Post #560 » by **Jeffrey** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 3:07 am

I get why we covet Dame and it's because of his offensive abilities but isn't he a defensive liability that NONE OF Y'ALL can stomach.