PG: Windy City Bulls lose

Rose2Boozer · Post #81 » by **Rose2Boozer** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:44 am

Damn Vuc. At some point, it has to be, yesterday's stats are not today's stats. I hope not though.

bearadonisdna · Post #82 » by **bearadonisdna** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:45 am

Billy subbing out Bradley in the 1st half

Bulls2021 · Post #83 » by **Bulls2021** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:47 am

CaPiTanAK wrote:
fleet wrote:Zach, he is not an impactful guy. Empty stats charge holds on…

Some aspect to this team holds true. Zach, despite his stats, doesn't know how to win basketball games.

If you replace Zach with a Lebron / Michael Jordan / Kobe type of player, that player with 4 other G-league scrubs wouldn't lose tonight game, much less let a team full of journeymen blow them out on their home court.

Garbage take alert

nekorajo · Post #84 » by **nekorajo** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:49 am

Anyone notice how much better the defense looks when Bradley subs in for Vuc? Tony has basically no offensive skill, but he deserves credit for his positive impact on defense.

bullsnewdynasty · Post #85 » by **bullsnewdynasty** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:50 am

Jcool0 wrote:
fleet wrote:[*]
nekorajo wrote:
Zach was not the problem tonight.

Nor is Vuc really. Zach is not the problem, but not really the solution either. DDR is an MVP candidate for a reason.

Read on Twitter

I have always been of the belief that if you have two guys from the same team in the MVP discussion, then neither one is an MVP.

I don't understand the point of these lists. If the Warriors keep up their pace, Steph Curry will be a unanimous MVP and there isn't anything more to say.

BeatDaCavs420 · Post #86 » by **BeatDaCavs420** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:52 am

A lot of these post in the game thread and post game threads are going to look foolish when the Bulls are back to full strength.

BeatDaCavs420 · Post #87 » by **BeatDaCavs420** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:54 am

nekorajo wrote:Anyone notice how much better the defense looks when Bradley subs in for Vuc? Tony has basically no offensive skill, but he deserves credit for his positive impact on defense.

I feel like this is what really cost us. Well it definitely ruined out chances because Billy kept riding with Vuc even when the heat went on a 10-0 after bringing Vuc back in.

ImSlower · Post #88 » by **ImSlower** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:56 am

When we are kicking ass in the playoffs, we will look back at this crappy as hell December stretch and laugh.

We have like half a team and our all star center is currently in his worst slump. Screw it. We'll be awesome soon.

Jcool0 · Post #89 » by **Jcool0** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:59 am

BeatDaCavs420 wrote:
nekorajo wrote:Anyone notice how much better the defense looks when Bradley subs in for Vuc? Tony has basically no offensive skill, but he deserves credit for his positive impact on defense.

I feel like this is what really cost us. Well it definitely ruined out chances because Billy kept riding with Vuc even when the magic went on a 10-0 after bringing Vuc back in.

Heat pulled away when Zach came out. Zach had it to a 5 point game. Then he came out and Heat got it back to 12 right away.

Dominator83 · Post #90 » by **Dominator83** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:03 am

Piss poor effort. No excuse. The Heat were also short handed and missing their 2 best players. On paper the Bulls had the WAY more talented team.

bearadonisdna · Post #91 » by **bearadonisdna** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:09 am

nekorajo wrote:Anyone notice how much better the defense looks when Bradley subs in for Vuc? Tony has basically no offensive skill, but he deserves credit for his positive impact on defense.

It was a major momentum point in the game , and Billy’s only major gaffe .

He didn’t make any egregious errors in the 2nd half , maybe playing vuc too long but I won’t micro manage him .

In the 1st half it was an instance where the defense was playing at an F level . 39 point 1st quarter !

The bulls got the deficit to 5. Heat calls a timeout.
Great our guys get a breather, we got them on the ropes.

Nope.Billy decided to pull Zach , caruso and Bradley for Mckinny, vuc and Dotson and they give up a 10-0 run until he calls a timeout.

That unit had 1 stop, 1 defensive rebound , commited 1 turnover and scored 0 points.

Billy needs to work on his risk management , if something can blow up in your face don’t do it.
This blew up in his face , he shouldn’t have done it.

WindyCityBorn · Post #92 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:33 am

bullsnewdynasty wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
fleet wrote:[*]
Nor is Vuc really. Zach is not the problem, but not really the solution either. DDR is an MVP candidate for a reason.

Read on Twitter

I have always been of the belief that if you have two guys from the same team in the MVP discussion, then neither one is an MVP.

I don't understand the point of these lists. If the Warriors keep up their pace, Steph Curry will be a unanimous MVP and there isn't anything more to say.

You can definitely have multiple players producing at MVP discussion levels. In fact you almost need it in today’s NBA. I’m pretty sure the Nets fans expected Harden to be somewhere on that list. Lebron was the best player in the NBA for years, but didn’t win anything until he starting pairing up with other elite players.

WindyCityBorn · Post #93 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:35 am

Dominater wrote:Piss poor effort. No excuse. The Heat were also short handed and missing their 2 best players. On paper the Bulls had the WAY more talented team.

On paper means nothing when Vuc is playing like a borderline NBA player. So basically remove his reputation from the equation and tell me how the Bulls have big talent advantage?

dice · Post #94 » by **dice** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:37 am

bullsnewdynasty wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
fleet wrote:[*]
Nor is Vuc really. Zach is not the problem, but not really the solution either. DDR is an MVP candidate for a reason.

Read on Twitter

I have always been of the belief that if you have two guys from the same team in the MVP discussion, then neither one is an MVP.

I don't understand the point of these lists. If the Warriors keep up their pace, Steph Curry will be a unanimous MVP and there isn't anything more to say.

well, certainly nobody after the top 5 has any real chance. as valuable as gobert is, there's no realistic way he'd EVER win MVP. he's only a 2x all-star for god's sake

WindyCityBorn · Post #95 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:41 am

I really thought people have enough perspective to not freak over what happens over these couple of weeks that we will have to deal with this. I guess I expected too much. This be fair most of you are being reasonable, but this shouldn’t even be a discussion. It’s quite frankly silly.

NecessaryEvil · Post #96 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:49 am

bullsnewdynasty wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
fleet wrote:[*]
Nor is Vuc really. Zach is not the problem, but not really the solution either. DDR is an MVP candidate for a reason.

Read on Twitter

I have always been of the belief that if you have two guys from the same team in the MVP discussion, then neither one is an MVP.

I don't understand the point of these lists. If the Warriors keep up their pace, Steph Curry will be a unanimous MVP and there isn't anything more to say.

That's absolutely fine but here's the thing :

when's the last time the Bulls had 2 MVP candidates? That's like having two current top ten players.

Steph is the obvious MVP but what's occurred here in Chicago with Zach & DeMar is pretty amazing.

Trade deadline about 60 days away. Although we're dealing with the outbreak, the Bulls will really make waves in the 2nd half of the season. Team will hopefully be fully healthy and we'll likely have another PF option added.

I think we make the ECF & lose in 7 games to the Nets or Bucks.

Dominator83 · Post #97 » by **Dominator83** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:07 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
Dominater wrote:Piss poor effort. No excuse. The Heat were also short handed and missing their 2 best players. On paper the Bulls had the WAY more talented team.

On paper means nothing when Vuc is playing like a borderline NBA player. So basically remove his reputation from the equation and tell me how the Bulls have big talent advantage?

Vuc is an all-star talent. Him not living up to that right now is on him. The only better talent on the Heat is Lowry, and he's on his last legs. Talent-wise the Bulls still had Lavine, Lonzo, and Vuc. On paper the Bulls blow the Heat out. Instead the opposite happened. That's nobody's fault but their own.

Jo Jo English · Post #98 » by **Jo Jo English** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:17 am

A few minutes into the 4th quarter I decided to watch that Kukoc documentary on youtube they've been pushing for most of the season.

It was good!

Other than that maybe the league needs to give some more thought to this whole health and safety protocol thing. The Bulls are really getting the ******* unceremoniously *****'d up their **** right now.

The Heat were also down key players tonight, but this Bulls teams has been dealing with this as an occurrence that is taking away a teammate or two every week for a month. It's draining.

The NBA should be doing better.

Andi Obst · Post #99 » by **Andi Obst** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:50 am

Vucevic is completely useless again and we’re giving the G-League guy we signed 2 days ago 30 minutes…but sure, let’s talk about Zach.

BullChit · Post #100 » by **BullChit** » Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:22 am

Jo Jo English wrote:A few minutes into the 4th quarter I decided to watch that Kukoc documentary on youtube they've been pushing for most of the season.

It was good!

Other than that maybe the league needs to give some more thought to this whole health and safety protocol thing. The Bulls are really getting the ******* unceremoniously *****'d up their **** right now.

The Heat were also down key players tonight, but this Bulls teams has been dealing with this as an occurrence that is taking away a teammate or two every week for a month. It's draining.

The NBA should be doing better.

The thing that makes no sense is a positive test = Health and Safety Protocols but the rest of the teams players are good to go...

Oh wait 2 days later more players have tested positive for this highly contagious virus, put them in the health and safety protocol... The rest of the team? Get out there and play more.