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Nebuchadnezzar wrote:Rodrickle wrote:I would think they would want a better prospect than Malachidgr81 wrote:dragic, flynn and a protected first for turner.
any chance indy accepts?
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Agreed, I think it would have to be more on the Yute level
youngRAPZ wrote:Nebuchadnezzar wrote:Rodrickle wrote:I would think they would want a better prospect than Malachi
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Agreed, I think it would have to be more on the Yute level
Lol Not sure If by Yute you meant Yuta but if you did Yuta is not a prospect the man is 27.
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Tor_Raps wrote:youngRAPZ wrote:Nebuchadnezzar wrote:
Agreed, I think it would have to be more on the Yute level
Lol Not sure If by Yute you meant Yuta but if you did Yuta is not a prospect the man is 27.
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Only way they accept that trade is if our pick this upcoming year is unprotected because we're clearly giving them 0 talent back there lol.
I would love to do a Trent/Precious/2nd rounder or Precious/Dragic/Flynn/top 5 protected 1st rounder for Turner.
traps#10 wrote:They will be asking for at least OG for Turner. Which would be a no in my books.
Nebuchadnezzar wrote:Rodrickle wrote:I would think they would want a better prospect than Malachidgr81 wrote:dragic, flynn and a protected first for turner.
any chance indy accepts?
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Agreed, I think it would have to be more on the Yute level
Turner added some urgency to those trade discussions in a conversation with The Athletic's Jared Weiss.
"It’s clear that I’m not valued as anything more than a glorified role player here, and I want something more, more opportunity,” said Turner. "I'm trying really hard to make the role that I’m given here work and find a way to maximize it. I’ve been trying to the past two, three seasons. But it's clear to me that, just numbers-wise, I'm not valued as more than a rotational role player, and I hold myself in a higher regard than that."
Simmons, Wood and Portland's Jusuf Nurkic are all cautionary tales of the NBA's big-man trade market that the Pacers are now attempting to navigate. Maximizing the return for Sabonis or Turner won't be easy.
Few teams are willing to invest heavily at center, because they rarely pay dividends. Unless you have a truly elite big, the difference between a second-tier and replacement-level center in the pace-and-space era is not worth the added cost, especially if that price includes future first-round picks on rookie-scale contracts.
The Pacers know this all too well. They wanted Gordon Hayward in 2020 free agency, and he wanted them. Indiana offered Turner, Doug McDermott and a first-round pick to facilitate the sign-and-trade swap, only the Boston Celtics balked, instead sending the one-time All-Star to the Charlotte Hornets for a trade exception. The Celtics saw more value in a reserved seat at the table than they did in Turner occupying it.
Still, the lesson remains: Rarely is it worth parting with anything of value for a sub-superstar big. The Pacers must find a team convinced either Sabonis or Turner will make them a bona fide contender, or at least one that thinks either Indiana big could be a steppingstone to contention in the years to come. And they must do so in a market that has let Simmons sit on ice for months and may soon include more quality big men.
Most potential suitors have exhausted assets to reach the NBA's upper echelon or already have a quality big on the roster. Pritchard might as well inquire about the availability of Jonathan Kuminga in Golden State, R.J. Barrett in New York, Deni Avdija and future picks in Washington, Pascal Siakam in Toronto, De'Aaron Fox in Sacramento, Brandon Ingram in New Orleans, C.J. McCollum in Portland or Jerami Grant in Detroit.
Only, why would any of those teams give up a creator of any significance for one of Indiana's centers when so many bigs have changed hands for less in recent years? And why trade multiple first-round picks when San Antonio Spurs small-ball center Thaddeus Young might only cost you a second-round pick or two?
Johnny Bball wrote:Some many people here still like to romanticize the 7 foot centre like that player matters these days, but here is the reality Indy faces.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-fact-or-fiction-domantas-sabonis-myles-turner-and-the-puzzling-value-of-nba-centers-195138392.htmlTurner added some urgency to those trade discussions in a conversation with The Athletic's Jared Weiss.
"It’s clear that I’m not valued as anything more than a glorified role player here, and I want something more, more opportunity,” said Turner. "I'm trying really hard to make the role that I’m given here work and find a way to maximize it. I’ve been trying to the past two, three seasons. But it's clear to me that, just numbers-wise, I'm not valued as more than a rotational role player, and I hold myself in a higher regard than that."
Simmons, Wood and Portland's Jusuf Nurkic are all cautionary tales of the NBA's big-man trade market that the Pacers are now attempting to navigate. Maximizing the return for Sabonis or Turner won't be easy.Few teams are willing to invest heavily at center, because they rarely pay dividends. Unless you have a truly elite big, the difference between a second-tier and replacement-level center in the pace-and-space era is not worth the added cost, especially if that price includes future first-round picks on rookie-scale contracts.
The Pacers know this all too well. They wanted Gordon Hayward in 2020 free agency, and he wanted them. Indiana offered Turner, Doug McDermott and a first-round pick to facilitate the sign-and-trade swap, only the Boston Celtics balked, instead sending the one-time All-Star to the Charlotte Hornets for a trade exception. The Celtics saw more value in a reserved seat at the table than they did in Turner occupying it.Still, the lesson remains: Rarely is it worth parting with anything of value for a sub-superstar big. The Pacers must find a team convinced either Sabonis or Turner will make them a bona fide contender, or at least one that thinks either Indiana big could be a steppingstone to contention in the years to come. And they must do so in a market that has let Simmons sit on ice for months and may soon include more quality big men.Most potential suitors have exhausted assets to reach the NBA's upper echelon or already have a quality big on the roster. Pritchard might as well inquire about the availability of Jonathan Kuminga in Golden State, R.J. Barrett in New York, Deni Avdija and future picks in Washington, Pascal Siakam in Toronto, De'Aaron Fox in Sacramento, Brandon Ingram in New Orleans, C.J. McCollum in Portland or Jerami Grant in Detroit.
Only, why would any of those teams give up a creator of any significance for one of Indiana's centers when so many bigs have changed hands for less in recent years? And why trade multiple first-round picks when San Antonio Spurs small-ball center Thaddeus Young might only cost you a second-round pick or two?
I think if you read what the last bunch went for, either a lottery first, or first and prospect is the range they want. Anyone suggesting Pascal or FVV, or even GTJ plus is proposing to drastically overpay.
dgr81 wrote:Nebuchadnezzar wrote:Rodrickle wrote:I would think they would want a better prospect than Malachi
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Agreed, I think it would have to be more on the Yute level
yuta is old. he's not a prospect
Raptorfan2012 wrote:Dragic and Precious and a first round pick for Turner and a second rounder will work. I dont think this upcoming draft is that good anyways, and Turner is only 25 (fits well with our young core).
traps#10 wrote:They will be asking for at least OG for Turner. Which would be a no in my books.
