PG: GRIMES Shines. Stat Whore Randle Throws in the Towel

[evevale]

kemba and elfraud on a discord call now -

[nedleeds]

Our vets can help playoff teams, this needs to be blown up and coaching needs to be revisited at the end of the year.

Healthy Rose can really help a team that's actually trying, I would have never guessed we could get a late first for him but for real we could if Thibs doesn't destroy him.

Lakers
Blazers
Heat
Mavericks
Suns who play Cameron Payne and ElFraud
Even the Bulls honestly as their 6th man ... he'd be a massive upgrade over Coby White.

Every other terrible contract will probably be neutral or require us to give a pick up or take on dead money. There just isn't much dead money left.

[knickstape4ever]

I'm one of the first to hate on Randle, but I think it's gotten extreme that some think he's untradeable

in fact, he may still be our best asset. he's just miscast as the unquestioned #1. if I'm Leon, I'm tryna piggyback off the Pacers trade rumors, find out what teams want Sabonis and sell Randle to whatever team misses out (or if Sabonis doesn't get traded)

the thing is, there's already a limited market for sabonis. guys like him and randle aren't easy to assimilate into your team. they don't shoot the 3 that well or play good defense.

it would be a bit tougher b/c of his position, but I could think of a few teams that might be interested: Portland, Boston (have a big trade exception), Sacramento are a few that come to mind

[knickstape4ever]

7-14 over last 21

that's no small sample size at ~1/4 the season

[HarthorneWingo]

Randle has lost confidence.

[HarthorneWingo]

Randle has Connaughton on him in the post and commits a turnover by throwing the ball into the backcourt.

[F N 11]

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That is a hell of a highlight reel

I’m trying to think back to whom we’ve had with shooting form this nice and I’m drawing a blank between now and H2O

Novak was probably our best three point specialist in the last two decades, but that was pretty much the only thing he could do. Grimes has more game

Yeah, I’m sold on this kid simply because his shot is not going to be too streaky because his form is pure and his release is damn quick. IOW, he could become one of our most reliable options for some scoring most nights he gets any sustained run.

I know he could be game planned for, but not really. Anyone who can shoot that well from deep and that quickly is hard to guard in the NBA

His shooting form looks a little like Hubert Davis.

I know Grimes can dribble and make plays so I’m cool with people playing up on him.

[TerrenceClarke]

Randle didn't put himself in that position though.

NBA voters made him an All-NBA player when he's nowhere near the level of his peers.

The front office made him the face of the franchise when they unnecessarily gave him an extension last summer.

The front office thought they didn't have to bring in a starter-level playmaker to put Randle in the role that suits him best.

Listen I hate Randle's game and hope he gets traded, but the boos are crazy to me. He's an overrated, struggling player who's been set up to fail by this organization. He doesn't deserve the toxicity and abuse of fans booing him after he helped the team overachieve last year tbh.

The boos he's hearing now are perfectly justified. In fact, they could be retroactive boos to the Hawks series where John Collins clapped his fake All-NBA cheeks and still be justified. If you don't want superstar responsibility and criticism, don't sign a contract for superstar money and anoint yourself the leader of the team. Very simple.

Yeah he should have called the nba and told them he didn’t want to be all-nba and then told the Knicks he didn’t want any money when they offered it to him. how dare he

Plenty of players dont come to the Knicks or take the Knicks money because of they scared of the pressure of playing here.

He started doubting himself in the playoffs, so he fully knew the pressure of what this upcoming season would be. So all the smoke he is getting this season, He needs to handle it like man..... cause YES....THIS is what he signed up for.

Instead he crumbling like the soft dude he is.

[lloydj]

Randall, you have to stop with the confused face look. It’s not a good one. Other teams know when you have this confuse looked on your face. We Knick Fan know When your game is off. Stop telegraphing it to other teams. You might not have any Cool in you, but get close to it, you won’t even know the difference. But, the other team won’t know either. Also, limit your two hand passing, it seems to throw you off balance. I notices your balance is much better when you hold the ball in one hand. Just something I noticed.

[HarthorneWingo]

7-14 over last 21

that's no small sample size at ~1/4 the season

We have from 12/15/21 until 2/10/22 in order to fix this roster. Otherwise it will have to wait until the draft.

[Capn'O]

Our vets can help playoff teams, this needs to be blown up and coaching needs to be revisited at the end of the year.

100%

And it's not gonna happen. That said, Dallas seems to like our castoffs.

[Spree2Houston]

If Philly comes down on their demands then Julius Randle and Evan Fournier for Ben Simmons or Tobias Harris works in the trade checker.

[god shammgod]

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When asked after Saturday’s practice if he’s getting nervous about the predicament that has the Knicks in an 11th-place tie and out of Eastern Conference playoff position, Randle shrugged it off.

“What would I have to be nervous about?’’ Randle said.

Are you optimistic?

“I’m not optimistic,’’ Randle said. “I believe in my team. I believe in my team for sure.’’

One source believes locker-room leadership has started to become an issue. Randle is not a born leader, self-admittedly the quiet type, as is Derrick Rose.

Other leadership candidates would be hard-pressed to be the team’s motivational speaker: Kemba Walker, banished from the rotation; Evan Fournier, the struggling French newcomer not known as an orator; Taj Gibson currently out of the playing mix.

It’s up to Randle to lift this group out of the doldrums and one source said the forward can occasionally be a loner in the locker room. Randle, for certain, is moody with the media.

“I think we’re all trying to get it turned around,’’ Randle said when asked about the leadership. “We’re working at it and trying to get a better focus of what we’re trying to do.’’

Last season, Reggie Bullock was an influential voice as was zealous locker-room cheerleader Theo Pinson.

“When you look at the team, there really isn’t an outspoken leader,’’ one NBA source said. “You look at every team in the NBA, they have an outspoken leader. Is there an outspoken leader or is everyone being too respectful to each other and not wanting to voice their opinion?’’

from yesterday. randle not a leader. a sad loner. he's the kid cudi of the nba. had 1 big album and now just dresses funny. sad.

[knickstape4ever]

7-14 over last 21

that's no small sample size at ~1/4 the season

We have from 12/15/21 until 2/10/22 in order to fix this roster. Otherwise it will have to wait until the draft.

there's no fix this season. what's the best outcome? play-in tournament and another 1st round exit?

it's just not worth it

According to 538, we're projected to finish tied for 8th worst record

According to ESPN, we're projected to finish w/ the 7th worst record

According to Basketball-Ref., we're projected to finish w/ the 9th worst record

we're a bottom 10 team, much closer to the bottom than the top. the FO needs to realize this and lean into the fact that we suck this year, tank, and hopefully we can get a little lotto-luck/find a franchise player in the draft

[HarthorneWingo]

Our vets can help playoff teams, this needs to be blown up and coaching needs to be revisited at the end of the year.

100%

And it's not gonna happen.

The press is going to start hammering the Knicks FO very soon. Don’t underestimate the power of The Bermanator.

[knickstape4ever]

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When asked after Saturday’s practice if he’s getting nervous about the predicament that has the Knicks in an 11th-place tie and out of Eastern Conference playoff position, Randle shrugged it off.

“What would I have to be nervous about?’’ Randle said.

Are you optimistic?

“I’m not optimistic,’’ Randle said. “I believe in my team. I believe in my team for sure.’’

One source believes locker-room leadership has started to become an issue. Randle is not a born leader, self-admittedly the quiet type, as is Derrick Rose.

Other leadership candidates would be hard-pressed to be the team’s motivational speaker: Kemba Walker, banished from the rotation; Evan Fournier, the struggling French newcomer not known as an orator; Taj Gibson currently out of the playing mix.

It’s up to Randle to lift this group out of the doldrums and one source said the forward can occasionally be a loner in the locker room. Randle, for certain, is moody with the media.

“I think we’re all trying to get it turned around,’’ Randle said when asked about the leadership. “We’re working at it and trying to get a better focus of what we’re trying to do.’’

Last season, Reggie Bullock was an influential voice as was zealous locker-room cheerleader Theo Pinson.

“When you look at the team, there really isn’t an outspoken leader,’’ one NBA source said. “You look at every team in the NBA, they have an outspoken leader. Is there an outspoken leader or is everyone being too respectful to each other and not wanting to voice their opinion?’’

from yesterday. randle not a leader. a sad loner. he's the kid cudi of the nba. had 1 big album and now just dresses funny. sad.

Is this the start? maybe the media turning on him will force the FO hand to trade him

they already have a pretty good excuse to move him: the emergence of Obi....who they drafted

[Nazrmohamed]

People who say trade the vets play all under 25 players forgot dsjr frank knox mitch season. If your trying to force grimmes and mcbride into despair it's a good strategy.

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It weeds out the turds. Play and get better, they don't have to win and there are no expectations other than play hard and learn from your mistakes. That's how Giannis and Kawhi went from trash to treasure.

Of course that requires coaching and player development and I'm not certain Thibs wants to do that because he thinks he's a championship level coach -- where as I think he's just Scott Brooks.

Even if we go with a “youth movement”, we’ll still need a few vets on the roster to set examples and help hold teammates accountable. Taj will stay on. Maybe Burks too in order to take some of the scoring burden off the kids. I’d love for Kemba to stay on if we tank and he’s willing to be a mentor because he’s cheap. Trade Randle, Rose, Fournier, and Noel for expiring contracts, young talent, and/or picks.

Definitely Randle and Rose. I don't mind Rose really but if you're gonna do this then he's just the new guy Thibs will over feature once Randle is gone so nope, he's gotta go.

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[HarthorneWingo]

7-14 over last 21

that's no small sample size at ~1/4 the season

We have from 12/15/21 until 2/10/22 in order to fix this roster. Otherwise it will have to wait until the draft.

there's no fix this season. what's the best outcome? play-in tournament and another1st round exit?

it's just not worth it

According to 538, we're projected to finish tied for 8th worst record

According to ESPN, we're projected to finish w/ the 7th worst record

According to Basketball-Ref., we're projected to finish w/ the 9th worst record

we're a bottom 10 team, much closer to the bottom than the top. the FO needs to realize this and lean into the fact that we suck this year, tank, and hopefully we can get a little lotto-luck/find a franchise player in the draft

I agree. But we cannot continue with this roster as presently constituted because it’ll start to get toxic soon. Our young players are getting ready to take over. Indiana is looking to blow up its team up now and so should we.