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Re: PG: GRIMES Shines. Stat Whore Randle Throws in the Towel 

Post#301 » by DOT » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:00 am

god shammgod wrote:macri is out of his mind. i'm listening to his youtube postgame and he think you could trade randle to portland for cj and get draft assets with him. jesus. all the "fan media" are such homers. it's disgusting.

I will counter with, if the reports Portland wants Perry are accurate, that might happen

Perry loves his PFs, after all, as well as 3rd, 4th, 5th chances on his guys from prior teams.
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Re: PG: GRIMES Shines. Stat Whore Randle Throws in the Towel 

Post#302 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:05 am

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god shammgod wrote:macri is out of his mind. i'm listening to his youtube postgame and he think you could trade randle to portland for cj and get draft assets with him. jesus. all the "fan media" are such homers. it's disgusting.

I will counter with, if the reports Portland wants Perry are accurate, that might happen

Perry loves his PFs, after all, as well as 3rd, 4th, 5th chances on his guys from prior teams.


Perry can take Fournier and I would even let him have his guy Knox back too
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Re: PG: GRIMES Shines. Stat Whore Randle Throws in the Towel 

Post#303 » by Spree2Houston » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:09 am

Randle to Portland for Robert Convington, Larry Lance Jr and picks works in the trade checker. Covington expires this season and Lance next season.
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Re: PG: GRIMES Shines. Stat Whore Randle Throws in the Towel 

Post#304 » by seren » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:12 am

CJ for Randle trade might work for Portland as it would put them below the tax threshold while making them a bit younger. Below tax teams will apparently get something around $13 million this summer. Their current owner Is interested in cutting costs from my understanding. Not sure they would give up picks though
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Re: PG: GRIMES Shines. Stat Whore Randle Throws in the Towel 

Post#305 » by louisorr » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:13 am

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that's an overreaction. Randle is clearly very talented, he has value

problem is: here, he is the unquestioned #1 option. he's not that. he's a 3rd option

I don't know, three years ago he wasn't exactly a hot free agent. he was basically on the Ross dress for less pile and we had money to burn. I don't think his 90 day hot streak changed his perception that much around the league


and now he has an all-star performance under his belt

he also must've had some market to land a 3yr/~60M deal

I guess some people around the league might still believe in him and what he showed last year and honestly the 21mil isn't terrible. but the length of the contract is a tough swallow. That's really the killer.
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Post#306 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:31 am

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That is a hell of a highlight reel

I’m trying to think back to whom we’ve had with shooting form this nice and I’m drawing a blank between now and H2O

Novak was probably our best three point specialist in the last two decades, but that was pretty much the only thing he could do. Grimes has more game

Yeah, I’m sold on this kid simply because his shot is not going to be too streaky because his form is pure and his release is damn quick. IOW, he could become one of our most reliable options for some scoring most nights he gets any sustained run.

I know he could be game planned for, but not really. Anyone who can shoot that well from deep and that quickly is hard to guard in the NBA


His shooting form looks a little like Hubert Davis.


Good one. Davis was a favorite of mine. The guy could score in a hurry some nights
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Post#307 » by TexasMassacre » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:35 am

Grimes was excellent. That 3pt shot is no joke.

Randle, Noel, Kemba, Fournier, Burks....goodbye.
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Post#308 » by knickstape4ever » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:35 am

louisorr wrote:
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louisorr wrote:I don't know, three years ago he wasn't exactly a hot free agent. he was basically on the Ross dress for less pile and we had money to burn. I don't think his 90 day hot streak changed his perception that much around the league


and now he has an all-star performance under his belt

he also must've had some market to land a 3yr/~60M deal

I guess some people around the league might still believe in him and what he showed last year and honestly the 21mil isn't terrible. but the length of the contract is a tough swallow. That's really the killer.


he's signed for less than the max tho, so IMO that's not a bad deal
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Post#309 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:39 am

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When asked after Saturday’s practice if he’s getting nervous about the predicament that has the Knicks in an 11th-place tie and out of Eastern Conference playoff position, Randle shrugged it off.

“What would I have to be nervous about?’’ Randle said.

Are you optimistic?

“I’m not optimistic,’’ Randle said. “I believe in my team. I believe in my team for sure.’’

One source believes locker-room leadership has started to become an issue. Randle is not a born leader, self-admittedly the quiet type, as is Derrick Rose.

Other leadership candidates would be hard-pressed to be the team’s motivational speaker: Kemba Walker, banished from the rotation; Evan Fournier, the struggling French newcomer not known as an orator; Taj Gibson currently out of the playing mix.



“I think we’re all trying to get it turned around,’’ Randle said when asked about the leadership. “We’re working at it and trying to get a better focus of what we’re trying to do.’’

Last season, Reggie Bullock was an influential voice as was zealous locker-room cheerleader Theo Pinson.

“When you look at the team, there really isn’t an outspoken leader,’’ one NBA source said. “You look at every team in the NBA, they have an outspoken leader. Is there an outspoken leader or is everyone being too respectful to each other and not wanting to voice their opinion?’’


from yesterday. randle not a leader. a sad loner. he's the kid cudi of the nba. had 1 big album and now just dresses funny. sad.


Is this the start? maybe the media turning on him will force the FO hand to trade him

they already have a pretty good excuse to move him: the emergence of Obi....who they drafted


The media turning on a player provides a screen for the FO and makes trading them plausible and sellable to Dolan. They can pitch it as a character issue and essentially run the guy down so it’s the player’s fault, not the executives who signed him. Not saying that is ethical, but it is what they will do. So expect leaks to the media now to build their case. This is how it is going to happen.
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Re: PG: GRIMES Shines. Stat Whore Randle Throws in the Towel 

Post#310 » by DaGawd » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:41 am

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knickstape4ever wrote:7-14 over last 21

that's no small sample size at ~1/4 the season


We have from 12/15/21 until 2/10/22 in order to fix this roster. Otherwise it will have to wait until the draft.


there's no fix this season. what's the best outcome? play-in tournament and another 1st round exit?

it's just not worth it

According to 538, we're projected to finish tied for 8th worst record

According to ESPN, we're projected to finish w/ the 7th worst record

According to Basketball-Ref., we're projected to finish w/ the 9th worst record

we're a bottom 10 team, much closer to the bottom than the top. the FO needs to realize this and lean into the fact that we suck this year, tank, and hopefully we can get a little lotto-luck/find a franchise player in the draft

Yeah the only way I’m ok with turning this into a winning season is if we by some miracle decided to play the kids and they ended up being the catalyst behind those wins. Anything else is counter productive
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Re: PG: GRIMES Shines. Stat Whore Randle Throws in the Towel 

Post#311 » by knickstape4ever » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:42 am

god shammgod wrote:macri is out of his mind. i'm listening to his youtube postgame and he think you could trade randle to portland for cj and get draft assets with him. jesus. all the "fan media" are such homers. it's disgusting.


that's somewhat reasonable. McCollum getting older, and isn't having his best season either + I think if you take him off Portland, playing w/o a player of Dame's caliber, he wouldn't be the same. and the Blazers are kinda desperate


from a Knicks, nah I wouldn't do that. 1) McCollum does nothing for them; they need young players/draft picks in return 2) Portland can't even trade their picks b/c they're involved in other deals/Stepien rule
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Post#312 » by knickstape4ever » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:47 am

DaGawd wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
We have from 12/15/21 until 2/10/22 in order to fix this roster. Otherwise it will have to wait until the draft.


there's no fix this season. what's the best outcome? play-in tournament and another 1st round exit?

it's just not worth it

According to 538, we're projected to finish tied for 8th worst record

According to ESPN, we're projected to finish w/ the 7th worst record

According to Basketball-Ref., we're projected to finish w/ the 9th worst record

we're a bottom 10 team, much closer to the bottom than the top. the FO needs to realize this and lean into the fact that we suck this year, tank, and hopefully we can get a little lotto-luck/find a franchise player in the draft

Yeah the only way I’m ok with turning this into a winning season is if we by some miracle decided to play the kids and they ended up being the catalyst behind those wins. Anything else is counter productive


it was actually fun watching Grimes play despite the loss. more than I can say about the sh*t show we've been watching so far this season

would love if this FO had the self-awareness to admit that rebuilding and focusing on the youth they have/2022 draft positioning is what's best for the organization
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Post#313 » by DaGawd » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:49 am

knickstape4ever wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:
there's no fix this season. what's the best outcome? play-in tournament and another 1st round exit?

it's just not worth it

According to 538, we're projected to finish tied for 8th worst record

According to ESPN, we're projected to finish w/ the 7th worst record

According to Basketball-Ref., we're projected to finish w/ the 9th worst record

we're a bottom 10 team, much closer to the bottom than the top. the FO needs to realize this and lean into the fact that we suck this year, tank, and hopefully we can get a little lotto-luck/find a franchise player in the draft

Yeah the only way I’m ok with turning this into a winning season is if we by some miracle decided to play the kids and they ended up being the catalyst behind those wins. Anything else is counter productive


it was actually fun watching Grimes play despite the loss. more than I can say about the sh*t show we've been watching for this season

would love if this FO had the self-awareness to admit that rebuilding and focusing on the youth they have/2022 draft positioning is what's best for the organization

Yeah.. you can’t tell they really have this hard on for preserving FA space with the way they punted the draft to save a few extra pennies… At least it appears they made solid picks where they finally settled in but damn..
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Post#314 » by knickstape4ever » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:57 am

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DaGawd wrote:Yeah the only way I’m ok with turning this into a winning season is if we by some miracle decided to play the kids and they ended up being the catalyst behind those wins. Anything else is counter productive


it was actually fun watching Grimes play despite the loss. more than I can say about the sh*t show we've been watching for this season

would love if this FO had the self-awareness to admit that rebuilding and focusing on the youth they have/2022 draft positioning is what's best for the organization

Yeah.. you can’t tell they really have this hard on for preserving FA space with the way they punted the draft to save a few extra pennies… At least it appears they made solid picks where they finally settled in but damn..


was really annoyed w/ their draft for the same reason. felt they punted on it. nothing against Grimes and McBride, but we could've had both of them + taken a swing at a higher upside player

and they did it to preserve 2 max spots for 2023/24 offseason....when is this organization gonna learn? we have a better shot at landing a star in the lotto than in FA, FO just needs to be willing to bottom out
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Post#315 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:03 am

Knicks need to try and make a few trades.
Let the FO fix the f*ck ups of the offseason.
Not every last guy has to go, it can be a process.
But there's no reason to carry 6 mediocre wings when maybe they can convert some into a more useful player or picks.
No reason to carry 4 offensively limited centers, when maybe they can move them for one who isn't.
Do something.
The Knicks have a bunch of 7th and 8th men. Try to get a #2 or even, gasp, a #1.
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Post#316 » by sol5377 » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:04 am

1) Randle to Portland or Boston, get back expirings and picks

2) Rose to Chicago or Mil or Phi for picks

3) Fournier in a salary dump and we may have to use 2nds

4) Burks to Utah or Charlotte and get back picks

Ride with the youth and get into a top 6 draft position.
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Post#317 » by robillionaire » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:39 am

knickstape4ever wrote:
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knickstape4ever wrote:
it was actually fun watching Grimes play despite the loss. more than I can say about the sh*t show we've been watching for this season

would love if this FO had the self-awareness to admit that rebuilding and focusing on the youth they have/2022 draft positioning is what's best for the organization

Yeah.. you can’t tell they really have this hard on for preserving FA space with the way they punted the draft to save a few extra pennies… At least it appears they made solid picks where they finally settled in but damn..


was really annoyed w/ their draft for the same reason. felt they punted on it. nothing against Grimes and McBride, but we could've had both of them + taken a swing at a higher upside player

and they did it to preserve 2 max spots for 2023/24 offseason....when is this organization gonna learn? we have a better shot at landing a star in the lotto than in FA, FO just needs to be willing to bottom out


We took a swing at another higher upside player, future star Rokas Jokubaitis
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Post#318 » by F N 11 » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:40 am

If anybody take Randle for 4 1/2 years we lucky af. Someone mentioned there would be politics even if someone wants him. “Other players won’t want to come after they see how we treated Randle.”
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Post#319 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:46 am

F N 11 wrote:If anybody take Randle for 4 1/2 years we lucky af. Someone mentioned there would be politics even if someone wants him. “Other players won’t want to come after they see how we treated Randle.”


Those fears are meaningless. If the club improves its fortunes by trading a player then it's a good move and any prospective Knick would see that
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Post#320 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:05 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
F N 11 wrote:If anybody take Randle for 4 1/2 years we lucky af. Someone mentioned there would be politics even if someone wants him. “Other players won’t want to come after they see how we treated Randle.”


Those fears are meaningless. If the club improves its fortunes by trading a player then it's a good move and any prospective Knick would see that


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