Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[Wolf_Cry]

Ain't no way I'm swapping Ant for Simmons, even if they throw in Curry and Maxey. Mainly because Ant is the last hope this franchise has left of actually becoming good. Teaming Simmons/ Curry/Maxey with KAT/DLo is a recipe for 8th-9th seed and getting ripped apart in the post season when actual defense and shooting matters.

[moss_is_1]

No chance in hell should Philly be able to get a player like Edwards for Simmons.

[winforlose]

No chance in hell should Philly be able to get a player like Edwards for Simmons.

I generally agree with you. But, if Ant isn’t ready this year, and KAT demands out at the end of the season we are kinda doomed anyway. Maxey has a high upside, Curry is a solid shooter and helps a lot with our inconsistent 3 point shooting, and we can flip Simmons for a better return in the off season.

[moss_is_1]

No chance in hell should Philly be able to get a player like Edwards for Simmons.

I generally agree with you. But, if Ant isn’t ready this year, and KAT demands out at the end of the season we are kinda doomed anyway. Maxey has a high upside, Curry is a solid shooter and helps a lot with our inconsistent 3 point shooting, and we can flip Simmons for a better return in the off season.

Philly wouldn't trade those guys though. Maxey is a stud and Curry has been great.

If Kat demands out at the end of the year, we would get a huge haul for him. Then go into a rebuild with Ant, Mcdaniels, whatever we got for KAT, Dlo's expiring, etc.

[Mattya]

You would have to be a moron to want to trade Ant for Simmons to appease KAT. What happens if KAT demands a trade anyway, with a domino effect of Simmons. Then you are left with only what you have for KAT. Would be a top 5 Wolves blunder, which is a tough pinnacle to reach.

[Wolf_Cry]

No chance in hell should Philly be able to get a player like Edwards for Simmons.

I generally agree with you. But, if Ant isn’t ready this year, and KAT demands out at the end of the season we are kinda doomed anyway. Maxey has a high upside, Curry is a solid shooter and helps a lot with our inconsistent 3 point shooting, and we can flip Simmons for a better return in the off season.

If KAT demands out after this year, then you oblige and trade him and move forward. KAT is good, but he isn't a franchise-changing player. That's already been proven. And to be honest, this current KAT is really souring on me. I loved him and his game when he was in his 2nd-4th year. Dude was all business and played the game the right way. Now he mopes every night and is getting punk'd by smaller players. Shame.

[winforlose]

You would have to be a moron to want to trade Ant for Simmons to appease KAT. What happens if KAT demands a trade anyway, with a domino effect of Simmons. Then you are left with only what you have for KAT. Would be a top 5 Wolves blunder, which is a tough pinnacle to reach.

I think you misunderstood, so let me try it this way. Maxey is a PG of the future, Curry if we can resign him is a playoff caliber SG, and Simmons while very flawed would probably be best when surrounded by shooting. If we go small with Dlo at the 3 and Maxey at the PG now we have 4 potential deep threats and Simmons as the driving threat. We could also go big putting Maxey as the 6th man and Vando at the 3. I think Ant is a huge ceiling player but that could take years. Meanwhile teams will low ball if KAT demands out.

The theory is that a trade negotiation is like any negotiation, all about leverage. On the one hand teams will compete to get KAT thus giving us leverage. But, if KAT says trade me before the season starts, and his agent puts that word out, now we are against a clock and lose leverage. Worse still we could face a JB or Simmons situation and KAT holds out.

The question is do you move on from KAT and Dlo now to try and build around Ant? Or do you move on from Ant and grab a bunch of win now assets (Maxey is also going to be great,) and try to win with KAT and Dlo. Or do you make a different move with draft capital and try to salvage what you have. The issue is our support staff isn’t performing and our big 3 all have critical flaws. Dlo is too aggressive in shooting and since losing his stroke is now a major offensive liability. Ant disappears from games and is also a low efficiency shooter. Bunch scoring is nice, but not reliable and Ant cannot carry the team when KAT sits down (not consistently anyway.) As for KAT he plays reckless often in foul trouble, also turning the ball over on stupid passes. Add to that his refusal to shoot like the star that he is, and his determination to pass to teammates who far less likely to make shots, and you have a recipe for inconsistency (our survival depends not on our best players performance but rather on the inconsistent performances of the players he is giving those shots to.)

All in all, I could see making the Ant trade and then flipping Simmons for someone like Turner or Wood and maybe one or two role players. We could build a quality bench and pick up some nice assets for the future. For example if you could get Turner and Duarte for Simmons and Maxey and Curry that is two young players (with bright futures,) not to mention great SG depth to go along with an excellent defensive big in Turner and a PG to either backup or replace Dlo. But if you don’t like that Simmons flip, by all means suggest your own, including CJ Mccullom who we could flip as well.

[King Malta]

Ant should be the last piece moved on this roster IMO.

KAT is a great player but we've struggled to effectively build around one way bigs for years, and we don't seem like we're going to be changing that pattern anytime soon. We've finally unearthed what could be an elite level NBA wing, keep him at all costs imo, even if it means losing KAT due to our current lack of competitiveness.

[Dewey]

Babbling over trades is irrelevant right now… we don’t have a player on this team that I see as a winning basketball player now - or 5 years from now unless they can land in a team with leadership and some pedigree. Needless to say we are weak players in the market.

[shangrila]

Didn't we just win like 7 of 8 a few weeks ago?

Seems fairly clear our players can play winning basketball.

[minimus]

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So Grant is out, CJ McCollum is out and hence can't be traded for Simmons. Not sure what it means for MIN, but I like Grant fit here skillwise.

[shrink]

I agree Jerami Grant’s skillset would fit here, but I think he would hate a trade to the Timberwolves.

Grant left the contending Nuggets to go to Detroit because he wanted his own team. He felt stifled in DEN, not able to show off his offensive game. He was right, and DET and Grant certainly won by betting he could be more. However, if he came here, I think he would be forced down into being a fourth option, maybe just above Beasley. Grant only has one additional year left on his deal, and I doubt he would be willing to extend.

[minimus]

Okogie, Layman and SRP for Maxi Kleber?

[Dewey]

Didn't we just win like 7 of 8 a few weeks ago?

Seems fairly clear our players can play winning basketball.

And didn’t we talk about weak schedule and teams missing key players? Seems we are mentally weak

[_AIJ_]

Why the hell sre we discussing an Edwards trade???

[shangrila]

Didn't we just win like 7 of 8 a few weeks ago?

Seems fairly clear our players can play winning basketball.

And didn’t we talk about weak schedule and teams missing key players? Seems we are mentally weak

No, we didn’t. At least not that I remember.

And haven’t we been missing key players?

[shrink]

Sixers fans on their Ben Simmons Trades thread should be embarrassed.

Those hypocrites are going on and on about how Kyrie is damaged goods for missing games for personal reasons.

Another thought that since ARod was at a PHI game, he could love Thybulle, and tell the team, “Trade Ant, four firsts and four swaps to get Simmons and Thybulle.” The next post? “That’s a start.”

Another was mocking Raptors fans as the worst on the board. No mirrors I guess in Philly?

[King Malta]

Sixers fans on their Ben Simmons Trades thread should be embarrassed.

Those hypocrites are going on and on about how Kyrie is damaged goods for missing games for personal reasons.

Another thought that since ARod was at a PHI game, he could love Thybulle, and tell the team, “Trade Ant, four firsts and four swaps to get Simmons and Thybulle.” The next post? “That’s a start.”

Sixers fans are easily the least knowledgeable and most biased fans in the NBA as far as I'm concerned, not worth getting worked up over in my opinion haha

[winforlose]

Why the hell sre we discussing an Edwards trade???

Simple answer, because if it was done right could be massive. In my example we would get two starting level players (or Maxey could be a 6th man,) and then flip Simmons for another truly excellent player and young player (my example was Turner and Duarte.)

Imagine

Beverly/Maxey/Leo
Curry/Dlo/Duarte
V8/Dlo/MCD or duarte
KAT/MCD/V8
Turner/Reid

We would have all our picks as well JO, JMAC, Nowell, and Layman for other moves. We could also dump Layman somewhere and take on Blake Griffin as insurance if the nets want to lower their tax payments as well.

[shrink]

I think trading Ant drastically reduces the team’s ceiling for the next six years.