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Post#241 » by fattymcgee » Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:24 pm

FinnTheHuman wrote:Completely not basketball related, and I'm not trying to say that Russell has feminine gesticulation or anything, but anybody find that this legend is Russell's extreme lookalike just when it comes to the face? Pretty funny to me :lol:



I always wondered why that guy looked familiar.
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Post#242 » by Klomp » Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:50 pm

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This is a great video about the evolution of Russell's game and why I think fans shouldn't be so low on him. He could really have a career year under Finch this season.

People have tried to use how Russell plays best off of other guys as a knock on his game. But facts are facts. It doesn't make him any less of a person or player to need help. Kevin Garnett wasn't a garbage player because he needed help. Kevin Durant isn't a lesser player because he needed help.

This video tells a pretty clear story about how he plays and at the same time how he really has rarely been used in these ways in the NBA.

I'm not here to talk about his contract and how overpaid he is or isn't. Honestly, that point is moot. Minnesota did not sign him to that contract. Now it's just about getting the most out of him. In order to do that, there needs to be a coach who understands how to use him the correct way. Building an offense where he's not the No. 1 option (and at times not the No. 2) allows him to do what he's best at.....playing off of others and making everyone better.

His stint at the end of last season wasn't revolutionary because he was coming off the bench. It's because the pressure was off of him to be the sole playmaker and creator on the floor. Seriously, look at the lists of guys he's played with. He's had to carry more than his share on the floor. As with anyone, if you take on too much in areas that aren't your best, you probably won't look as good. But that doesn't mean you're any less capable in your strengths. They just need to be highlighted and not buried.
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Re: The D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#243 » by Note30 » Sat Dec 4, 2021 7:23 pm

Russell is probably the most infuriating player on this team. Some nights he'll be the torch that lights up our path to victory and what seems like most nights he shoots us out of the game.

I don't think it's tenable to have a PG that's so inconsistent.

We should find a way to trade him for an actual starting PG.

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Post#244 » by IceManBK1 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 11:40 pm

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dlo chickening out vs trae young..honestly trae young has the real ice in his veins.
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Post#245 » by TheProdigy » Mon Dec 6, 2021 1:56 am

Note30 wrote:Russell is probably the most infuriating player on this team. Some nights he'll be the torch that lights up our path to victory and what seems like most nights he shoots us out of the game.

I don't think it's tenable to have a PG that's so inconsistent.

We should find a way to trade him for an actual starting PG.

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As long as he keeps putting in the effort on defense, I can tolerate the inconsistency with his shooting. Guys who rely so heavily on perimeter shooting are inherently streaky. Plus, he's shooting far below his career averages this year. I'm willing to bet his shooting reverts back to the mean sooner or later.
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Post#246 » by winforlose » Mon Dec 6, 2021 2:08 am

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Note30 wrote:Russell is probably the most infuriating player on this team. Some nights he'll be the torch that lights up our path to victory and what seems like most nights he shoots us out of the game.

I don't think it's tenable to have a PG that's so inconsistent.

We should find a way to trade him for an actual starting PG.

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As long as he keeps putting in the effort on defense, I can tolerate the inconsistency with his shooting. Guys who rely so heavily on perimeter shooting are inherently streaky. Plus, he's shooting far below his career averages this year. I'm willing to bet his shooting reverts back to the mean sooner or later.


This, plus his assists are up, and his effort on rebounding and shot blocking seems improved as well.
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Post#247 » by shrink » Wed Dec 8, 2021 4:13 am

I wanted to check for real numbers. He is shooting 38.2% .. FG%. 32.3% 3P% and 46.5% eFG% .. all lower than any other year, including his rookie year.

The problem to me is his high usage, 27.3%. We need good DLo, and he can help the team win sometimes in crunch time. But when he’s bad DLo, he needs to shoot less, and see if Ant or KAT are hot that night. This Wolves team has alternatives.
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Post#248 » by shangrila » Wed Dec 8, 2021 6:40 am

shrink wrote:I wanted to check for real numbers. He is shooting 38.2% .. FG%. 32.3% 3P% and 46.5% eFG% .. all lower than any other year, including his rookie year.

The problem to me is his high usage, 27.3%. We need good DLo, and he can help the team win sometimes in crunch time. But when he’s bad DLo, he needs to shoot less, and see if Ant or KAT are hot that night. This Wolves team has alternatives.

Not always. KAT has been the only real consistent offensive threat on this team night in night out and there's been more than a few games already where everyone sans him (sometimes including him) are having an off night.

At which point it probably is best for him to try and shoot his way out of a funk. I get it's frustrating from our perspective but if Ant's off, Beasley has his typical no-show and the rest of the bench is throwing up goose eggs we probably don't have much of an alternative.
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Post#249 » by shrink » Wed Dec 8, 2021 12:20 pm

shangrila wrote:
shrink wrote:I wanted to check for real numbers. He is shooting 38.2% .. FG%. 32.3% 3P% and 46.5% eFG% .. all lower than any other year, including his rookie year.

The problem to me is his high usage, 27.3%. We need good DLo, and he can help the team win sometimes in crunch time. But when he’s bad DLo, he needs to shoot less, and see if Ant or KAT are hot that night. This Wolves team has alternatives.

Not always. KAT has been the only real consistent offensive threat on this team night in night out and there's been more than a few games already where everyone sans him (sometimes including him) are having an off night.

At which point it probably is best for him to try and shoot his way out of a funk. I get it's frustrating from our perspective but if Ant's off, Beasley has his typical no-show and the rest of the bench is throwing up goose eggs we probably don't have much of an alternative.

If DLo’s average FG% is 38.2%, his off nights are worse than 38.2%.

Vanderbilt and McDaniels are shooting better than 38.2%, so I think on DLo’s bad nights, most anyone is a better option.
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Post#250 » by King Malta » Wed Dec 8, 2021 12:42 pm

shrink wrote:
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shrink wrote:I wanted to check for real numbers. He is shooting 38.2% .. FG%. 32.3% 3P% and 46.5% eFG% .. all lower than any other year, including his rookie year.

The problem to me is his high usage, 27.3%. We need good DLo, and he can help the team win sometimes in crunch time. But when he’s bad DLo, he needs to shoot less, and see if Ant or KAT are hot that night. This Wolves team has alternatives.

Not always. KAT has been the only real consistent offensive threat on this team night in night out and there's been more than a few games already where everyone sans him (sometimes including him) are having an off night.

At which point it probably is best for him to try and shoot his way out of a funk. I get it's frustrating from our perspective but if Ant's off, Beasley has his typical no-show and the rest of the bench is throwing up goose eggs we probably don't have much of an alternative.

If DLo’s average FG% is 38.2%, his off nights are worse than 38.2%.

Vanderbilt and McDaniels are shooting better than 38.2%, so I think on DLo’s bad nights, most anyone is a better option.


Vanderbilt and McDaniels are not viable volume shooters, their FG%s are effected by where they take their shots and how many of them they take.

Vanderbilt in particular has a high FG% because he gets most of his looks off cuts into the paint and offensive putbacks. McDaniels is a 40/28% shooter on just over 6 attempts a game, I'd rather DLo try to shoot himself out a slump than have Jaden jack up another 6-7 shots on those splits, and I'm not sure it's particularly intelligent or viable to run a tonne of extra plays with the sole purpose of getting Vando a dunk in the paint.

Most of our supporting cast is also shooting career lows (or at least lows for the last few seasons of their career) or are very situational scorers.
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Post#251 » by shrink » Wed Dec 8, 2021 12:49 pm

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shangrila wrote:Not always. KAT has been the only real consistent offensive threat on this team night in night out and there's been more than a few games already where everyone sans him (sometimes including him) are having an off night.

At which point it probably is best for him to try and shoot his way out of a funk. I get it's frustrating from our perspective but if Ant's off, Beasley has his typical no-show and the rest of the bench is throwing up goose eggs we probably don't have much of an alternative.

If DLo’s average FG% is 38.2%, his off nights are worse than 38.2%.

Vanderbilt and McDaniels are shooting better than 38.2%, so I think on DLo’s bad nights, most anyone is a better option.


Vanderbilt and McDaniels are not viable volume shooters, their FG%s are effected by where they take their shots and how many of them they take.

Vanderbilt in particular has a high FG% because he gets most of his looks off cuts into the paint and offensive putbacks. McDaniels is a 40/28% shooter on just over 6 attempts a game, I'd rather DLo try to shoot himself out a slump than have Jaden jack up another 6-7 shots on those splits, and I'm not sure it's particularly intelligent or viable to run a tonne of extra plays with the sole purpose of getting Vando a dunk in the paint.

I probably should have stated that better. I didn’t mention Vando and McDaniels because I wanted to see them be volume scorers, but instead to give context to how bad a 38% average shooter would be on a bad night. I think Ant, and KAT, and Beasley can also be volume scorers. I suppose there could be a night when they are all shooting worse than DLo’s bad night, but that seems highly improbable.
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Post#252 » by King Malta » Wed Dec 8, 2021 12:52 pm

shrink wrote:
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shrink wrote:If DLo’s average FG% is 38.2%, his off nights are worse than 38.2%.

Vanderbilt and McDaniels are shooting better than 38.2%, so I think on DLo’s bad nights, most anyone is a better option.


Vanderbilt and McDaniels are not viable volume shooters, their FG%s are effected by where they take their shots and how many of them they take.

Vanderbilt in particular has a high FG% because he gets most of his looks off cuts into the paint and offensive putbacks. McDaniels is a 40/28% shooter on just over 6 attempts a game, I'd rather DLo try to shoot himself out a slump than have Jaden jack up another 6-7 shots on those splits, and I'm not sure it's particularly intelligent or viable to run a tonne of extra plays with the sole purpose of getting Vando a dunk in the paint.

I probably should have stated that better. I didn’t mention Vando and McDaniels because I wanted to see them be volume scorers, but instead to give context to how bad a 38% average shooter would be on a bad night. I think Ant, and KAT, and Beasley can also be volume scorers. I suppose there could be a night when they are all shooting worse than DLo’s bad night, but that seems highly improbable.


That's fair and I understand your point, I'm just not sure how easy it is in reality given the poor shooting numbers from most of our supporting cast and the limited offensive capabilities of a few others.

KAT and Ant are currently more efficient volume options than DLo, but that'd be about it at the moment as Beas is struggling.
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Post#253 » by King Malta » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:15 am

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Post#254 » by winforlose » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:36 am

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To go all Harry Potter for a moment “Dlo is our King, even when his shots cling, Dlo has ice in the clutch and his defense is sometimes a little too much, that’s why Wolves fan sing Dlo is our king.” ;) ;) ;)
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Post#255 » by shrink » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:07 am

winforlose wrote:to go all Harry Potter for a moment “Dlo is our King, even when his shots cling, Dlo has ice in the clutch and his defense is sometimes a little too much, that’s why Wolves fan sing Dlo is our king.” ;) ;) ;)

That actually made me laugh out loud!
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Post#257 » by Note30 » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:25 pm

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I'm sure you could do the same with other teams without any real depth at the guard position.

DLo is the only person beside Edwards that can create his own shot and look for others.
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Post#258 » by m2002brian » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:02 pm

I’ve had my issue with DLo in the past.
His contract in relation to his defense and overall effort. But, this year, even with the off shooting, I can see not only that extra effort on the defensive end, but also him being more vocal and direct with guys. He seems like a guy you actually want to play with now. He’s chucking less, he’s working harder, he’s talking more. It would be nice if he could stay healthy because he’s doing the right things to be a team leader.
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Post#259 » by FinnTheHuman » Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:29 pm

Imo DLo's been reading my posts where I trash him for being an awful floor general and not controlling the pace, and he decided to change my mind. Because from the start of our winning streak, he just decided to be selfless and set plays up for the team, taking care of the ball, not taking gimmicky shots, passing well, attacking the rim more often etc. Even when his shot isn't falling, you can feel that our offense is in good shape with him on the floor. And in this Portland win he's done the same. He's really making me a believer all of a sudden. Defensively, he's thrice the player he was.
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Post#260 » by winforlose » Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:47 pm

FinnTheHuman wrote:Imo DLo's been reading my posts where I trash him for being an awful floor general and not controlling the pace, and he decided to change my mind. Because from the start of our winning streak, he just decided to be selfless and set plays up for the team, taking care of the ball, not taking gimmicky shots, passing well, attacking the rim more often etc. Even when his shot isn't falling, you can feel that our offense is in good shape with him on the floor. And in this Portland win he's done the same. He's really making me a believer all of a sudden. Defensively, he's thrice the player he was.


The real issue is what to do about his contract. I would ask him to take a pay cut to about 25mil a year or even 22.5mil a year so we can get more talent in. When Ant eventually needs a max it is going to make things tight. Dlo is not shooting well this season and his primary function is a shooting. Also worth noting he has missed at least 5 games this season and will probably miss more before all is said and done. From his perspective that won’t be a reason for a pay cut, but from our perspective it is a reason to need a solid backup behind him, and that costs money.

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