2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1)

[Hello Brooklyn]

KD wasn't the best player on his own team until Harden hurt his hamstring. He also went 0-6 in overtime after being dumb enough to have both feet over the line while attempting a three. Your narrative is hilarious. Durant not winning when he doesn't have the best team in the league around him is what happens all the time. Giannis just won a title with a performance on both ends Durant could only dream about. That's a fact champ.

OF COURSE he outplayed Giannis.

Even Giannis said so.

Anyone with any objectivity knows Durant was the best player in the building. Man was shooting 50% from the line and getting laughed at until the whole **** team was injured

Blah blah Nets were Jeff Green turning into Curry for a game away from losing 4 straight. Nobody cares about your hypotheticals or how hard you so puff your chest out when your guy runs up a 50 in junk time against Detroit. Lulz

They absolutely should have lost 4 straight without 2 of their 3 best players. Its a miracle they didn't. Its not like the last 2 years where Giannis just lost 3/4 straight due to a mental breakdown.

LOL Jeff Green is a streaky shooter. He did the same thing with the Cavs in 2018. Not to mention Joe Harris (the best shooter in the league) couldn't hit the side of the rim. So it basically evens out.

The main reason they won is cause KD scored 50 points with no help except for one guy.

In Game 7 he didn't even have that.

[Shy Gorgeous-Al]

Jokic is by far the best player in the NBA and the stats support it pretty easily. You may want to pick another play because of a narrative, but it would be the wrong choice.

[Hello Brooklyn]

KD wasn't the best player on his own team until Harden hurt his hamstring. He also went 0-6 in overtime after being dumb enough to have both feet over the line while attempting a three. Your narrative is hilarious. Durant not winning when he doesn't have the best team in the league around him is what happens all the time. Giannis just won a title with a performance on both ends Durant could only dream about. That's a fact champ.

OF COURSE he outplayed Giannis.

Even Giannis said so.

Anyone with any objectivity knows Durant was the best player in the building. Man was shooting 50% from the line and getting laughed at until the whole **** team was injured

"Objectivity" lol...
He averaged 32ppg on much better efficiency.
Much better defense.
You were laughing just like you guys were wishing for him to be injured.
He got the last laugh and a ring that counts way more than KDs 2 rings or the rings he will get with your superteam.
You see bud, Giannis has already surpassed KDs legacy at the age of 27. And there's nothing you can do about it.
You will watch him again this season as he will finish above KD in the MVP race

Much better efficiency?

Giannis was under 25% from 3 and under 50% from the FT line

Their TS was about the same. Except one was a total liability at the line.

And on less points with less offensive help after Kyrie was injured. KD was MORE efficient.

And not better defense. PJ Tucker was KD's primary defender. Giannis only played help defense and did nothing on guarding the best player on the other team. Which is far more work.

KD on the other hand was the Net's best defender by far and had to guard Giannis for long stretches of time. Something Giannis NEVER did.

The "last laugh" doesn't really matter when the whole team was injured. Its akin to 2015 when Steph beat the injured Cavs. Nobody really thought he was better than LeBron and it was proven the next year.

Also saying hes surpassed KD's legacy is comical. Youre just trolling at this point.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Jokic is by far the best player in the NBA and the stats support it pretty easily. You may want to pick another play because of a narrative, but it would be the wrong choice.

Jokic is not even a top 5 player in the NBA.

KD, Giannis, Kawhi, Steph, LeBron are all easily better.

[Johnny Firpo]

Jokic is by far the best player in the NBA and the stats support it pretty easily. You may want to pick another play because of a narrative, but it would be the wrong choice.

Jokic is not even a top 5 player in the NBA.

KD, Giannis, Kawhi, Steph, LeBron are all easily better.

Yeah, three years ago, maybe.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Jokic is by far the best player in the NBA and the stats support it pretty easily. You may want to pick another play because of a narrative, but it would be the wrong choice.

Jokic is not even a top 5 player in the NBA.

KD, Giannis, Kawhi, Steph, LeBron are all easily better.

Yeah, three years ago, maybe.

Call me when Jokic wins a Championship. Something all of those guys have done as the best guy.

[Ballerhogger]

Lebron looking outside in, but he has scored 30+ in last 5 out of last 7 games

[Shy Gorgeous-Al]

Jokic is not even a top 5 player in the NBA.

KD, Giannis, Kawhi, Steph, LeBron are all easily better.

Yeah, three years ago, maybe.

Call me when Jokic wins a Championship. Something all of those guys have done as the best guy.

My man, MVP is a regular season award, and so far Jokic is clearly head and shoulders above the rest. What does Kawhi has to do with anything right now regardless?

Lebron is not even in the conversation in the regular season anymore. Post season is a different story, but this is not what the award is about.

[Mickey8]

Jokic is not even a top 5 player in the NBA.

KD, Giannis, Kawhi, Steph, LeBron are all easily better.

Yeah, three years ago, maybe.

Call me when Jokic wins a Championship. Something all of those guys have done as the best guy.

All those guys ganged up together to win the championships , so stop spewing nonsense , Lebron and KD would have had zero chips if they didn't act like the prostitutes, moving to the loaded teams. The only legit chip in the past 20 years is Dirk's one, he was clearly the only superstar on that roster.

[BelgradeNugget]

Jokic is not even a top 5 player in the NBA.

KD, Giannis, Kawhi, Steph, LeBron are all easily better.

Yeah, three years ago, maybe.

Call me when Jokic wins a Championship. Something all of those guys have done as the best guy.

4 of the players from the list won it without help from another player from the list. One didn't. Who is the one?

[Sgt Major]

Give me one of them who won it without another All-Star or All-NBA whatever category caliber player. Just one, I'm not asking much.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Yeah, three years ago, maybe.

Call me when Jokic wins a Championship. Something all of those guys have done as the best guy.

My man, MVP is a regular season award, and so far Jokic is clearly head and shoulders above the rest. What does Kawhi has to do with anything right now regardless?

Lebron is not even in the conversation in the regular season anymore. Post season is a different story, but this is not what the award is about.

Well you said overall. Regular season yes Jokic is top 5.

Not above KD/Giannis though. In my opinion.

[BelgradeNugget]

Call me when Jokic wins a Championship. Something all of those guys have done as the best guy.

My man, MVP is a regular season award, and so far Jokic is clearly head and shoulders above the rest. What does Kawhi has to do with anything right now regardless?

Lebron is not even in the conversation in the regular season anymore. Post season is a different story, but this is not what the award is about.

Well you said overall. Regular season yes Jokic is top 5.

Not above KD/Giannis though. In my opinion.

Add Steph, 4 of them are in top 5 without any doubt. Order is subjective

[BoatsNZones]

Yeah, three years ago, maybe.

Call me when Jokic wins a Championship. Something all of those guys have done as the best guy.

My man, MVP is a regular season award, and so far Jokic is clearly head and shoulders above the rest. What does Kawhi has to do with anything right now regardless?

Lebron is not even in the conversation in the regular season anymore. Post season is a different story, but this is not what the award is about.

It’s a regular season award given to a top player who is the leader of a top team. Curry, Durant and Giannis would be the only options if there was a theoretical vote right now, and Curry would still win it despite his couple weeks of lackluster play after the inferno start.

To give an idea of where the market sees it, if you were to bet on it right now the lines are:

Curry +130

Durant +500
Giannis +600

Jokic + 1300

[DutchManDanFan]

The Jokic love on this board is unreal. It might be a debate on offense, but the impact Giannis has is underestimated a lot. His presence on the court gives his team mates so much space. He doesn't need to facilitate like Jokic does when he's on the court to be just as valuable.

On defense there's no debate. Not for Jokic.

Steph and KD are ahead because of team record. That's reality.

[mediocrityrules]

This Kevin Durant guy is good at the basketball.

Nash has to get him more help.

He just played the entire second half of a RS game in December against the worst team in the league. He'll be burnt out if Nash doesn't figure out how to reduce his minutes. Before today he was already 4-5th most minutes per game, and played nearly 42 minutes today.

So having Harden on the team is not any help You pair him with the former MVP yet poor Kevin needs more help I wish Jokic have that kind of sidekick on his team.

You don't want fat, washed Harden in your team. Harden of 2021 is not helping anyone much, apart from the odd night here and there.

[BoatsNZones]

Nash has to get him more help.

He just played the entire second half of a RS game in December against the worst team in the league. He'll be burnt out if Nash doesn't figure out how to reduce his minutes. Before today he was already 4-5th most minutes per game, and played nearly 42 minutes today.

So having Harden on the team is not any help You pair him with the former MVP yet poor Kevin needs more help I wish Jokic have that kind of sidekick on his team.

You don't want fat, washed Harden in your team. Harden of 2021 is not helping anyone much, apart from the odd night here and there.

He came in out of shape but looks completely normal right now. He’s averaging 20/8/10 on a 58% TS as the player who captains their offense. He is still an elite #2 who outplayed KD in one of their two playoff series last season before getting hurt. If I’m a Nets fan I’d be super underwhelmed by the version of Harden that came into this season, but every team would still kill to have him and I fully expect him to improve and get back to his normal consistently All NBA caliber level as the season continues.

This player is not fat/washed.

Watch on YouTube

https://www.news9live.com/sports/basketball/durant-harden-spark-nets-fightback-over-mavs-139058

[BelgradeNugget]

The Jokic love on this board is unreal. It might be a debate on offense, but the impact Giannis has is underestimated a lot. His presence on the court gives his team mates so much space. He doesn't need to facilitate like Jokic does when he's on the court to be just as valuable.

On defense there's no debate. Not for Jokic.

Steph and KD are ahead because of team record. That's reality.

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[BoatsNZones]

The Jokic love on this board is unreal. It might be a debate on offense, but the impact Giannis has is underestimated a lot. His presence on the court gives his team mates so much space. He doesn't need to facilitate like Jokic does when he's on the court to be just as valuable.

On defense there's no debate. Not for Jokic.

Steph and KD are ahead because of team record. That's reality.

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Jokic has been dominant and I could not disagree with the poster you quoted more, but as has been addressed in depth by a poster in this thread already, Jokic spends an inordinate amount of time with the Nuggets starters relative to the bench players. That's not on him, but it goes to explain why there is such a massive chasm relative to other stars who spend much more time playing with the bench as well. This stat is also incorrect as Aaron Gordon has a +22.8 Net (Monte Morris has a +21.8). It's a mistake by Malone to do this IMO.

As far as pure +/- goes, Curry leads the league at +11.9 per game, Jokic is second at +9.0, Giannis third at +8.7, and Gobert/Mitchell are 4th/5th at +8.6. Gordon/Monte Morris are 32/33 at +5.1. A team with 3 players in the top 33 really shouldn't be .500 with a 0.0 Net rating. He needs to get these guys at least a little more run with the 2nd unit so they stop imploding leads every game. Jokic also needs to be playing more than 32.9 MPG. With a bench that awful, the starters need to all be going 35-36 MPG (that's not asking very much).
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&CF=GP*GE*15&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

[Hobo4President]

Jokic is by far the best player in the NBA and the stats support it pretty easily. You may want to pick another play because of a narrative, but it would be the wrong choice.

Jokic is not even a top 5 player in the NBA.

KD, Giannis, Kawhi, Steph, LeBron are all easily better.

Cope.