Official Celtics 2022 Off-Season Thread

[Larry_Russell]

Our two most-used starting lineups...

Smart-Brown-Tatum-Horford-Timelord: +19.6 net rating
Schroder-Smart-Tatum-Horford-Timelord: -18.6 net rating

Schroder is trade-eligible in 3 days.

I have been saying signing Schroder was a mistake and getting chewed out for it in this forum. Schroder needs to go.

Schroder’s pounding of the ball, dribble, dribble, dribble and his willingness to keep calling his own number anytime he feels the need especially in crunch time is keeping the Celtics from playing the way they want to play.

The numbers prove it

All the numbers prove is that Schroder has been a good or better than Smart at 1/3 the cost.

Nooooooope.

[zoyathedestroya]

Celtics still getting high quality looks, just not making them:



Biggest culprits are 3 starters -- Tatum (-6%), Horford (-7%), and Smart (-3.8%) who are all shooting way below their respective career averages.

The 4th supposed starter has missed more than half the games. The 5th starter doesn't shoot threes. Brown and Timelord are off the hook here.

[rd26]

Our two most-used starting lineups...

Smart-Brown-Tatum-Horford-Timelord: +19.6 net rating
Schroder-Smart-Tatum-Horford-Timelord: -18.6 net rating

Schroder is trade-eligible in 3 days.

So we are 38 points betterwhen JB starts???

Eh trade him anyway, he's a black hole

[zoyathedestroya]

Our two most-used starting lineups...

Smart-Brown-Tatum-Horford-Timelord: +19.6 net rating
Schroder-Smart-Tatum-Horford-Timelord: -18.6 net rating

Schroder is trade-eligible in 3 days.

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Regular starters back vs. Bucks (on 2nd night of B2B). Schroder back to 6th man role.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[FlyBono]

This Team is garbage and has been for sometime
It’s evident Schroder needs to go as does JTatum.

Tatum should get you a kings ransom in which you can build around JBrown.

Like many have said Tatum does not make anyone better to include himself

Your back in purgatory

[Fierce1]

Our two most-used starting lineups...

Smart-Brown-Tatum-Horford-Timelord: +19.6 net rating
Schroder-Smart-Tatum-Horford-Timelord: -18.6 net rating

Schroder is trade-eligible in 3 days.

Some of us didn't need the net rating to tell some of you guys that Schroder and Smart together is not good for the Celts.

Didn't you post earlier in the season that Smart and Schroder, on the court at the same time, had a positive net rating?

[zoyathedestroya]

Our two most-used starting lineups...

Smart-Brown-Tatum-Horford-Timelord: +19.6 net rating
Schroder-Smart-Tatum-Horford-Timelord: -18.6 net rating

Schroder is trade-eligible in 3 days.

Some of us didn't need the net rating to tell some of you guys that Schroder and Smart together is not good for the Celts.

Didn't you post earlier in the season that Smart and Schroder, on the court at the same time, had a positive net rating?

Another disingenuous post from you, my dude.

What I kept harping on before was DS-MS-JR together was really good and getting positive results even though all three are "non-shooters". They still have a net rating of +25.0 (I'm guessing mostly against bench groups), 100th percentile offensive rating, and 95th percentile in eFG%.

Never wanted Schroder to start games. I want Smart as starting PG with Langford or Grant as 5th starter when we're not fully healthy.

[Fierce1]

Our two most-used starting lineups...

Smart-Brown-Tatum-Horford-Timelord: +19.6 net rating
Schroder-Smart-Tatum-Horford-Timelord: -18.6 net rating

Schroder is trade-eligible in 3 days.

Some of us didn't need the net rating to tell some of you guys that Schroder and Smart together is not good for the Celts.

Didn't you post earlier in the season that Smart and Schroder, on the court at the same time, had a positive net rating?

Another disingenuous post from you, my dude.

What I kept harping on before was DS-MS-JR together was really good and getting positive results even though all three are "non-shooters". They still have a net rating of +25.0 (I'm guessing mostly against bench groups), 100th percentile offensive rating, and 95th percentile in eFG%.

Never wanted Schroder to start games. I want Smart as starting PG with Langford or Grant as 5th starter when we're not fully healthy.

That's very "indigenous".

Sure there will be some positive results because Schroder and Josh are capable of scoring.

The point is if you have non-shooters around Tatum and Brown, the opposing team will focus on stopping Tatum and Brown and letting the non-shooters shoot at will.

Net rating or not, the stats will not tell you don't opposing coaches will tell their players to go under the screen and let the Celts shoot 3s all day because they're not a very good 3-point shooting team.

It's a different story if you have shooters out there with Tatum and Brown.

Driving lanes will open up and there will be less double teams on Tatum and Brown.

A simple case of stats will not tell the whole story.

[zoyathedestroya]

Smart and Schroder together have done fine if we're going by the numbers (sample getting bigger esp due to Jaylen and JRich's absence). What's problematic is having them together PLUS having double bigs in the same lineup. Just no space to operate for both Tatum and Schroder. With single bigs (either Horford or Timelord, not BOTH), MS-DS are at least +9.1 in net rating and 85th percentile in offensive rating.

[Fierce1]

There's a difference between a scorer and a shooter.

Josh and Dennis are scorers.

So obviously they will be productive when they get playing time.

What the stats will not tell us is how opposing teams will defend the Celtics if Smart, Dennis, and Josh are on the court at the same time.

It's not about production, it's about how the Celts will be very limited when there's always a double team on Tatum and Brown.

Also, there will be very few open shots inside the paint and the perimeter because opposing teams are not letting the Celts score from the perimeter and inside the paint.

What opposing teams would give to the Celts is the 3-point shot because they know the Celts are not very good at the 3-point line this season.

If the Celts have shooters around Tatum and Brown, it will be very hard to double team Tatum and Brown because you can't leave the shooters open.

[Floody100]

Is it time we start Grant over Al ?

[Fierce1]

Smart and Schroder together have done fine if we're going by the numbers (sample getting bigger esp due to Jaylen and JRich's absence). What's problematic is having them together PLUS having double bigs in the same lineup. Just no space to operate for both Tatum and Schroder. With single bigs (either Horford or Timelord, not BOTH), MS-DS are at least +9.1 in net rating and 85th percentile in offensive rating.

In the end it's about wins and losses.

Right now the Celts are just a .500 team.

Just because the net rating is positive that doesn't mean that changes are not necessary.

[Fierce1]

Is it time we start Grant over Al ?

That's a good idea, but Horford refuses to come off the bench.

He made that clear from Day 1.

[exculpatory]

We are 14-14.
We have sucked in general x for JT’s All NBA play during December.
After a very tough group of games to close out December (Warriors H, Knicks H, Sixers H, Cavs H, Bucks A, Wolves A, Clips H & Suns H), we BY FAR will have played the very toughest part of our RS schedule.
The remaining 46 game schedule appears a bit arguably much easier. Agreed, gentlemen?

After our excellent JT + team play VS the Greek Deers last night, & given that the 9 teams occupying the 4 to 12 spots in the EC are only separated by 3 losses, do we have a real shot at the 4 seed & HC in the first round - assuming let’s say JT continues Top 5-10 play, JB plays consistently All Star Top 20-25 ball w/o further boo boos & we trade Dennis + a bit of our youth & flotsam for a truly drop dead Korver-like 3 point shooter to add to our 3 point sniper & most intelligent player by far (GW)?
Or am I dreaming?
Or should we do something more drastic?

Every time I let myself get sucked in, I get let down, so I am very very very wary at this point.

Thoughts?

[Curmudgeon]

Well, theyve had flashes before but couldn't sustain it. We'll see.

[Fierce1]

Nothing will change until Brad makes some changes to the roster.

The first move should be capitalizing on Dennis' good season with the Celts.
Dennis has trade value right now.
Cash in now before he gets injured.

Get another veteran PG who can make outside shots.

If the Celts are going get to the next level, Celts must be able to win in a shootout.
Right now the Celts can't beat a team like Brooklyn.
The Celtic offense needs an upgrade.

[bisme37]

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Good job, Coach. And team.

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[Larry_Russell]

Get denis off that grouping!