2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 3)

[LoveMyRaps]

scotties defense, its becoming scary. hes starting to understand what to do.

He's been EXCEPTIONAL on that defensive end lately.

5 beastly blocks tonight.

[LoveMyRaps]

[10giz]

I am very, very happy and excited about all of these rookies man. Like so many teams got so many intriguing players in this draft that everyone is wanting to hype their respective players up and that's how it should be.

Everyone loves to compare and whatnot but what actually matters is how that rookie impacts the team and can they help contribute to establishing a culture and identity that can last and so far it's looking good.

Just great for basketball in general.

[SOUL]

Barnes shot is the most impressive thing to me so far. Thought it would be a big problem but looks pretty clean and can get off contested shots as well. He clearly worked on it a lot since college.

[LoveMyRaps]

I am very, very happy and excited about all of these rookies man. Like so many teams got so many intriguing players in this draft that everyone is wanting to hype their respective players up and that's how it should be.

Everyone loves to compare and whatnot but what actually matters is how that rookie impacts the team and can they help contribute to establishing a culture and identity that can last and so far it's looking good.

Just great for basketball in general.

I got league pass for the first time in my life because of this draft class.
These rookies are all worth keeping tabs on. I already have the following guys circled in as future all-stars (at least): Cade, Mobley, Barnes, Sengun, & Wagner. And I'm certain there will be some more down the line. This draft class is STACKED.

[LoveMyRaps]

Barnes shot is the most impressive thing to me so far. Thought it would be a big problem but looks pretty clean and can get off contested shots as well. He clearly worked on it a lot since college.

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[MrBigShot]

I am very, very happy and excited about all of these rookies man. Like so many teams got so many intriguing players in this draft that everyone is wanting to hype their respective players up and that's how it should be.

Everyone loves to compare and whatnot but what actually matters is how that rookie impacts the team and can they help contribute to establishing a culture and identity that can last and so far it's looking good.

Just great for basketball in general.

100%, the pistons are the worst team in the league and I am really enjoying watching us play solely because of Cade. When you have a promising young player on your team it gives you hope for the future.

There's legitimately 7 or 8 rookies that could conceivably be the best player in this draft 4-5 years from now.

[holdenwait]

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24 mins
11 points (4/10 fg)
6 rebounds
4 assists
1 steal
2 blocks
1 turnover

another bunch of great fakes and post moves, filling the stat sheet nicely. contributed greatly for another impressive win by the on fire Rockets

[seanbig]

scotties defense, its becoming scary. hes starting to understand what to do.

He's been EXCEPTIONAL on that defensive end lately.

5 beastly blocks tonight.

He’s starting to get the defense with less deer in headlight moments and those blocks were just awesome

It’s amazing how much better he looks on defense

[Got Nuffin]

Cade, Barnes, Mobley, Giddey for me making this rookie class the most entertaining in years. Every single one of those guys is becoming must-watch tv.

Then you have Green who is yet to really explode, Sengun looks like a good long term prospect, Wagner, all really exciting players so far. Kuminga is the dark horse long term prospect - id like to see what he could do with minutes on a non-playoff team.

[Vampirate]

I think if he keeps working on his shooting that he could be a consistent 40% 3 pt shooter.

What about Barnes?

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If Barnes works on his game next season he can maybe be regarded as one of the better overall defenders and one of the better mid range shooters.

Another thing to work on is his playmaking.

I don't think Barnes will ever get to great to elite status in his 3 point shooting or free throw shooting, but I think he'll be at least respectable there.

I think for Franz the upside to him is an improved MPJ (not so much scoring but better defensively and a better passer/playmaker).

Man, I really missed on Barnes. I thought he would be a sloppy offensive player with great defense that was a project.

What's your comp ceiling for him at this point?

Honestly a very good-elite playmaking Kawhi, but probably not as good a shooter.

It looks like Barnes is shockingly trending to be a very good if not elite mid range shooter atm, the only question is how good will he be from the 3 point line? Also will he be a 85%+ FT shooter and can he get 5+ free throws a game.

I'm not saying he's gonna reach that but I think it's possible though I don't know the odds of it happening.

[basketballRob]

Bball Index's LEBRON got released. Here are the numbers for some of the top rookies

Mobley: O-LEBRON: -1.21 D-LEBRON: 3.21 LEBRON: 2.0
Barnes: O-LEBRON: -0.37 D-LEBRON: 0.53 LEBRON: 0.16
Sengun: O-LEBRON: -0.17 D-LEBRON: -0.64 LEBRON: -0.47
Cade: O-LEBRON: -1.70 D-LEBRON: 0.21 LEBRON: -1.49
Franz: O-LEBRON: -0.82 D-LEBRON: -0.78 LEBRON: -1.60
Giddey: O-LEBRON: -2.85 D-LEBRON: -0.20 LEBRON: -3.05

with most of the all-in-one stats, it's more important to compare them to players in similar roles.

Mobley: 8th out of 74 rolls + cut bigs
Barnes: 26th

Sengun: 13th out of 16 post scorers

cunningham: 32nd out of 43 primary ball handlers
giddy: 40th

Wagner: 42nd out of 61 stationary shooters

it's not perfect because you have to make judgment calls for a lot of archetypes, even players in the same category could have different factors (starter vs. bench player). For example - of the piston's two rookies to play so far Garza has a much better LEBRON than cade. I can guarantee you Garza has not played better.

Wagner very rarely is a stationary shooter, not sure why you have him labeled as that. The only stationary shots I've seen him take is when they pass him the ball with no time on the clock and he has to rush a contested shot.

We don't have a PG that can get him wide open stationary looks. When Fultz comes back that stat should improve. As for now a majority of his shots are step backs.

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[Gusto1903]

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24 mins
11 points (4/10 fg)
6 rebounds
4 assists
1 steal
2 blocks
1 turnover

another bunch of great fakes and post moves, filling the stat sheet nicely. contributed greatly for another impressive win by the on fire Rockets

God damn the passes

[oldshoolballer]

I am very, very happy and excited about all of these rookies man. Like so many teams got so many intriguing players in this draft that everyone is wanting to hype their respective players up and that's how it should be.

Everyone loves to compare and whatnot but what actually matters is how that rookie impacts the team and can they help contribute to establishing a culture and identity that can last and so far it's looking good.

Just great for basketball in general.

I got league pass for the first time in my life because of this draft class.
These rookies are all worth keeping tabs on. I already have the following guys circled in as future all-stars (at least): Cade, Mobley, Barnes, Sengun, & Wagner. And I'm certain there will be some more down the line. This draft class is STACKED.

I agree tremendous draft and the second tier of players are impressive a lot of wild cards who could turn out as very good players.
Are getting meaningful minutes. Duarte, Jones, Hyland, Mitchell, Robinson-Earl, Dosunmu, Mann, Banton, Murphy, Thomas, Grimes.

[basketballRob]

I am very, very happy and excited about all of these rookies man. Like so many teams got so many intriguing players in this draft that everyone is wanting to hype their respective players up and that's how it should be.

Everyone loves to compare and whatnot but what actually matters is how that rookie impacts the team and can they help contribute to establishing a culture and identity that can last and so far it's looking good.

Just great for basketball in general.

I got league pass for the first time in my life because of this draft class.
These rookies are all worth keeping tabs on. I already have the following guys circled in as future all-stars (at least): Cade, Mobley, Barnes, Sengun, & Wagner. And I'm certain there will be some more down the line. This draft class is STACKED.

I agree tremendous draft and the second tier of players are impressive a lot of wild cards who could turn out as very good players.
Are getting meaningful minutes. Duarte, Jones, Hyland, Mitchell, Robinson-Earl, Dosunmu, Mann, Banton, Murphy, Thomas, Grimes.

The 19-year-old players can make an impact in the future. Giddey, Moody, and Kuminga.

I still think Suggs will figure it out. He's too good defensively and works hard.

Could end up the best draft ever.

Next season it looks like we'll be back to a 3-4 players at the top and the rest probably wouldn't be in this year's top 20.

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[Blue_and_Whte]

Bball Index's LEBRON got released. Here are the numbers for some of the top rookies

Mobley: O-LEBRON: -1.21 D-LEBRON: 3.21 LEBRON: 2.0
Barnes: O-LEBRON: -0.37 D-LEBRON: 0.53 LEBRON: 0.16
Sengun: O-LEBRON: -0.17 D-LEBRON: -0.64 LEBRON: -0.47
Cade: O-LEBRON: -1.70 D-LEBRON: 0.21 LEBRON: -1.49
Franz: O-LEBRON: -0.82 D-LEBRON: -0.78 LEBRON: -1.60
Giddey: O-LEBRON: -2.85 D-LEBRON: -0.20 LEBRON: -3.05

with most of the all-in-one stats, it's more important to compare them to players in similar roles.

Mobley: 8th out of 74 rolls + cut bigs
Barnes: 26th

Sengun: 13th out of 16 post scorers

cunningham: 32nd out of 43 primary ball handlers
giddy: 40th

Wagner: 42nd out of 61 stationary shooters

it's not perfect because you have to make judgment calls for a lot of archetypes, even players in the same category could have different factors (starter vs. bench player). For example - of the piston's two rookies to play so far Garza has a much better LEBRON than cade. I can guarantee you Garza has not played better.

Wagner very rarely is a stationary shooter, not sure why you have him labeled as that. The only stationary shots I've seen him take is when they pass him the ball with no time on the clock and he has to rush a contested shot.

We don't have a PG that can get him wide open stationary looks. When Fultz comes back that stat should improve. As for now a majority of his shots are step backs.

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What? Cole routinely gets Franz wide open stationary looks….

[basketballRob]

with most of the all-in-one stats, it's more important to compare them to players in similar roles.

Mobley: 8th out of 74 rolls + cut bigs
Barnes: 26th

Sengun: 13th out of 16 post scorers

cunningham: 32nd out of 43 primary ball handlers
giddy: 40th

Wagner: 42nd out of 61 stationary shooters

it's not perfect because you have to make judgment calls for a lot of archetypes, even players in the same category could have different factors (starter vs. bench player). For example - of the piston's two rookies to play so far Garza has a much better LEBRON than cade. I can guarantee you Garza has not played better.

Wagner very rarely is a stationary shooter, not sure why you have him labeled as that. The only stationary shots I've seen him take is when they pass him the ball with no time on the clock and he has to rush a contested shot.

We don't have a PG that can get him wide open stationary looks. When Fultz comes back that stat should improve. As for now a majority of his shots are step backs.

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What? Cole routinely gets Franz wide open stationary looks….

Very rarely. The last game is a prime example when Cole got picked off twice trying to draw defenders and kick it to Franz. Fultz is much better at doing that. I remember Fultz constantly getting Vuc open looks by drawing a defender and the behind-the-back pass to Vuc for an open 3.

The majority of the Magic board know Cole isn't a good passer and has trouble making a simple pass. His assist to turnover was 1.8 last year and 1.9 now, compared to Chis Paul who is 4.3 this season.

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[OrlMagic05]

Wagner very rarely is a stationary shooter, not sure why you have him labeled as that. The only stationary shots I've seen him take is when they pass him the ball with no time on the clock and he has to rush a contested shot.

We don't have a PG that can get him wide open stationary looks. When Fultz comes back that stat should improve. As for now a majority of his shots are step backs.

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What? Cole routinely gets Franz wide open stationary looks….

Very rarely. The last game is a prime example when Cole got picked off twice trying to draw defenders and kick it to Franz. Fultz is much better at doing that. I remember Fultz constantly getting Vuc open looks by drawing a defender and the behind-the-back pass to Vuc for an open 3.

The majority of the Magic board know Cole isn't a good passer and has trouble making a simple pass. His assist to turnover was 1.8 last year and 1.9 now, compared to Chis Paul who is 4.3 this season.

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I agree with this. Cole does not "routinely" get Franz open looks. Franz creates a lot for himself with his hesitation or euro steps into the paint especially lately.

[basketballRob]

What? Cole routinely gets Franz wide open stationary looks….

Very rarely. The last game is a prime example when Cole got picked off twice trying to draw defenders and kick it to Franz. Fultz is much better at doing that. I remember Fultz constantly getting Vuc open looks by drawing a defender and the behind-the-back pass to Vuc for an open 3.

The majority of the Magic board know Cole isn't a good passer and has trouble making a simple pass. His assist to turnover was 1.8 last year and 1.9 now, compared to Chis Paul who is 4.3 this season.

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I agree with this. Cole does not "routinely" get Franz open looks. Franz creates a lot for himself with his hesitation or euro steps into the paint especially lately.

My guess is Franz gets receives more open looks from the centers than he does Cole, then he still has to jab step to get a shot off.

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[K_chile22]

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24 mins
11 points (4/10 fg)
6 rebounds
4 assists
1 steal
2 blocks
1 turnover

another bunch of great fakes and post moves, filling the stat sheet nicely. contributed greatly for another impressive win by the on fire Rockets

God damn the passes

This pass in particular is wild

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