The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

[ddb]

I think we're all too hard on Tatum. 23 years old. Was the best player on the floor last night by far. Giannis is incredible....I watched nearly all of his possessions and was trying to look at it from a Bucks fan perspective....he was driving me nuts last night. Dribble, dribble, pass late in the clock. Sorta like how we all criticize Tatum. Giannis was awful last night. But then again he had a 50+ point game to clinch the NBA finals.....We need to be kinder to Jayson Tatum. He isn't the problem. Let's not drive him out of town.

[Larry_Russell]

I posted this in the post game thread.

But perhaps it will get some brains working with some trade ideas.

RE: Deni Schroder

I am perfectly OK with Horford on the team, I know I have been advocating trading him lately, but Schroder HAS to go.

Toucher per game: #1 Schroder
Front court touches per game: #3 Schroder
Time of Possession: #1 Schroder : 6.5 seconds
AVG Seconds per touch: #1 Schroder : 5.04 seconds
AVG dribbles per touch: SChroder :
Points per touch: 11th SChroder

So, is there any deal out there for Schroder and either Juancho/Richardson/Bruno that can return either a PF who can shoot consistantly or a SHooting Guard who can, you know, shoot?

I do think Richardson is the best out of all of them and would be perfectly ok with him remaining on the team.

[GoCeltics123]

Celtics swingman Jaylen Brown is one of the All-Stars believed to be among Philadelphia’s wishful targets.

To be clear, Boston’s front office has yet to entertain the notion of splitting up Brown and Jayson Tatum during early calls with rival teams. “Talking to Boston, those are the only two untouchables,” said one assistant general manager.

While the Celtics appear committed to building around Brown and Tatum, speculation about Brown’s availability has notably increased around the league. It is an ongoing topic of conversation among sources familiar with both players. Moving Brown would appear highly unlikely until after this season and seems more plausible ahead of 2022-23. But as long as Boston floats on the periphery of the Eastern Conference playoff picture, league personnel will monitor Brown’s status and if the Celtics inch closer toward pivoting in a new direction.

“I think they’re starting to get to a place where they don’t think he and Jayson Tatum can coexist,” said another assistant general manager.

“I think there's pretty widespread belief that they don’t work together,” one general manager told B/R. “But unless ownership adds pressure on [Boston GM Brad Stevens], I don’t see them doing anything.”

Boston has seemed to value Marcus Smart and Robert Williams III in a second tier behind Brown and Tatum, but the two veterans stand as the most accomplished Boston players rival executives believe are available for trade this season. Dennis Schroder, who has produced both as a starter and Celtics reserve, is another strong trade candidate. His upcoming free agency next summer is shaping into a more lucrative stint on the open market than this past August, which could price him out of Boston’s roster construction.

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[Larry_Russell]

Celtics swingman Jaylen Brown is one of the All-Stars believed to be among Philadelphia’s wishful targets.

To be clear, Boston’s front office has yet to entertain the notion of splitting up Brown and Jayson Tatum during early calls with rival teams. “Talking to Boston, those are the only two untouchables,” said one assistant general manager.

While the Celtics appear committed to building around Brown and Tatum, speculation about Brown’s availability has notably increased around the league. It is an ongoing topic of conversation among sources familiar with both players. Moving Brown would appear highly unlikely until after this season and seems more plausible ahead of 2022-23. But as long as Boston floats on the periphery of the Eastern Conference playoff picture, league personnel will monitor Brown’s status and if the Celtics inch closer toward pivoting in a new direction.

“I think they’re starting to get to a place where they don’t think he and Jayson Tatum can coexist,” said another assistant general manager.

“I think there's pretty widespread belief that they don’t work together,” one general manager told B/R. “But unless ownership adds pressure on [Boston GM Brad Stevens], I don’t see them doing anything.”

Boston has seemed to value Marcus Smart and Robert Williams III in a second tier behind Brown and Tatum, but the two veterans stand as the most accomplished Boston players rival executives believe are available for trade this season. Dennis Schroder, who has produced both as a starter and Celtics reserve, is another strong trade candidate. His upcoming free agency next summer is shaping into a more lucrative stint on the open market than this past August, which could price him out of Boston’s roster construction.

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I would strongly consider a Brown for KAT swap (as long as I have a backup deal for a wing player involving Timelord+ for a 3 and d guy)

Smart
Trade
Tatum
Horford
KAT

Simmons=Nope
Fox=Nope
Sabonis=maybe? Brown I have as higher value so something like Brown+ for Sabonis and Brogdon

[Stan34]

You know what guys? Most of you dont see the see picture. First 9 games of the year team was not playing great but Jaylen was All NBA 26 pt at 50/40/80, unfortunly Smart, Rob and Tatum were horrible. Then Jaylen got hurt, the celtics started playing D two games before that and they continued after. It was a good stretch. Then Jaylen came back but he was injured and played bad. Then west coast trip arrived and team started to play like beginning of the season. Meanwhile came back all nba Tatum. Give me this Jayson with beginning of the year Jaylen and we are good above all of team decide to play D every f****** game.

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[ddb]

I posted this in the post game thread.

But perhaps it will get some brains working with some trade ideas.

RE: Deni Schroder

I am perfectly OK with Horford on the team, I know I have been advocating trading him lately, but Schroder HAS to go.

Toucher per game: #1 Schroder
Front court touches per game: #3 Schroder
Time of Possession: #1 Schroder : 6.5 seconds
AVG Seconds per touch: #1 Schroder : 5.04 seconds
AVG dribbles per touch: SChroder :
Points per touch: 11th SChroder

So, is there any deal out there for Schroder and either Juancho/Richardson/Bruno that can return either a PF who can shoot consistantly or a SHooting Guard who can, you know, shoot?

I do think Richardson is the best out of all of them and would be perfectly ok with him remaining on the team.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Also, this opens up minutes for Pritchard which I think many of us can agree deserves more playing time. A. I like Richardson being a go-to ball handler for the 2nd unit. B. Pritchard is a good shooter which all of a sudden improves the overall shooting of this team. C. Schroder is a classic case of a player that thinks he is better than he actually is.

Plus bringing in a PF that can shoot helps too

[ddb]

Celtics swingman Jaylen Brown is one of the All-Stars believed to be among Philadelphia’s wishful targets.

To be clear, Boston’s front office has yet to entertain the notion of splitting up Brown and Jayson Tatum during early calls with rival teams. “Talking to Boston, those are the only two untouchables,” said one assistant general manager.

While the Celtics appear committed to building around Brown and Tatum, speculation about Brown’s availability has notably increased around the league. It is an ongoing topic of conversation among sources familiar with both players. Moving Brown would appear highly unlikely until after this season and seems more plausible ahead of 2022-23. But as long as Boston floats on the periphery of the Eastern Conference playoff picture, league personnel will monitor Brown’s status and if the Celtics inch closer toward pivoting in a new direction.

“I think they’re starting to get to a place where they don’t think he and Jayson Tatum can coexist,” said another assistant general manager.

“I think there's pretty widespread belief that they don’t work together,” one general manager told B/R. “But unless ownership adds pressure on [Boston GM Brad Stevens], I don’t see them doing anything.”

Boston has seemed to value Marcus Smart and Robert Williams III in a second tier behind Brown and Tatum, but the two veterans stand as the most accomplished Boston players rival executives believe are available for trade this season. Dennis Schroder, who has produced both as a starter and Celtics reserve, is another strong trade candidate. His upcoming free agency next summer is shaping into a more lucrative stint on the open market than this past August, which could price him out of Boston’s roster construction.

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I would strongly consider a Brown for KAT swap (as long as I have a backup deal for a wing player involving Timelord+ for a 3 and d guy)

Smart
Trade
Tatum
Horford
KAT

Simmons=Nope
Fox=Nope
Sabonis=maybe? Brown I have as higher value so something like Brown+ for Sabonis and Brogdon

I am 100% on board with a Brown for KAT swap. I'm sure other pieces would be involved, but KAT is a guy that I think needs a fresh start and will thrive in an environment like Boston.
I think people are absolutely sleeping on how unstoppable a Tatum/KAT tandem would be.

[BK_2020]

I'm sure Minnesota wants no part of a Brown for KAT swap.

[BK_2020]

Now that Beal sucks, maybe we can get him cheaply.

[Larry_Russell]

I posted this in the post game thread.

But perhaps it will get some brains working with some trade ideas.

RE: Deni Schroder

I am perfectly OK with Horford on the team, I know I have been advocating trading him lately, but Schroder HAS to go.

Toucher per game: #1 Schroder
Front court touches per game: #3 Schroder
Time of Possession: #1 Schroder : 6.5 seconds
AVG Seconds per touch: #1 Schroder : 5.04 seconds
AVG dribbles per touch: SChroder :
Points per touch: 11th SChroder

So, is there any deal out there for Schroder and either Juancho/Richardson/Bruno that can return either a PF who can shoot consistantly or a SHooting Guard who can, you know, shoot?

I do think Richardson is the best out of all of them and would be perfectly ok with him remaining on the team.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Also, this opens up minutes for Pritchard which I think many of us can agree deserves more playing time. A. I like Richardson being a go-to ball handler for the 2nd unit. B. Pritchard is a good shooter which all of a sudden improves the overall shooting of this team. C. Schroder is a classic case of a player that thinks he is better than he actually is.

Plus bringing in a PF that can shoot helps too

I have to figure it also gives more opportunity for Nesmith to get some burn. Schroders minutes should get split between Pritch and Nesmith to develop them.

[Larry_Russell]

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I would strongly consider a Brown for KAT swap (as long as I have a backup deal for a wing player involving Timelord+ for a 3 and d guy)

Smart
Trade
Tatum
Horford
KAT

Simmons=Nope
Fox=Nope
Sabonis=maybe? Brown I have as higher value so something like Brown+ for Sabonis and Brogdon

I am 100% on board with a Brown for KAT swap. I'm sure other pieces would be involved, but KAT is a guy that I think needs a fresh start and will thrive in an environment like Boston.
I think people are absolutely sleeping on how unstoppable a Tatum/KAT tandem would be.

Would absolutely need additional moves, but yeah, that duo is unstoppable,

Smart
??
Tatum
??
Kat

I would have to assume we would need to track down a defensive PF and a sharpshooter at the SG spot, but would have some pieces that should be able to nab those 2 pieces.

[zoyathedestroya]

Would love to have KAT and have fellow Dominican Horfie mentor him. I doubt Minny trades him unless he asks out.

Getting rid of Schro trade idea: Schroder + Juancho for Sato (who's expiring and is playing like ****) + some minor asset. Moves PP up the rotation w/ an expiring vet as emergency pass-first PG. Leave 15th spot open for buyout guy or sign someone like James Ennis or Mike Scott if we want another stretch big or just give Sam Hauser a shot.

Kyle Anderson as backup swing would be cool too. Dunno what Griz would want for him. Former Spurs guy who can only help the ball movement movement. But why would MEM have interest in Dennis when they have Ja and Tyus?

[Larry_Russell]

Would love to have KAT and have fellow Dominican Horfie mentor him. I doubt Minny trades him unless he asks out.

Getting rid of Schro trade idea: Schroder + Juancho for Sato (who's expiring and is playing like ****) + some minor asset. Moves PP up the rotation w/ an expiring vet as emergency pass-first PG. Leave 15th spot open for buyout guy or sign someone like James Ennis or Mike Scott if we want another stretch big or just give Sam Hauser a shot.

Kyle Anderson as backup swing would be cool too. Dunno what Griz would want for him. Former Spurs guy who can only help the ball movement movement. But why would MEM have interest in Dennis when they have Ja and Tyus?

I would love to get Boston for Schroder, but no way CLippers do that.

Knicks for Samanic and Knox (win later move on Samanic)
Mavs, maybe for Josh green?
Denver?
Pelicans? Would they trade Hart? Would they trade Hart and JV? and full out tank?
Houston? Schroder and Juancho for Garuba and Augustine?

Wizards?

[playa-hater]

Running out the door, glad to see this thread popping.. keep em coming!!

[CelticFaninLBC]

Schroder, Freedom & Fernando to DET for Olynyk, with Schroder going to a 3rd team, who sends DET an asset.

Boston adds some big man depth and a big that can shoot the 3. Horford doesn't have to play heavy minutes and this is insurance for Rob Williams next injury.

[GoGreen]

Is KAT realistic? Would he fit here? Nice on offense but isn't his defense putrid? Does he pass? Idk man. I don't want a guy who puts up fluff for numbers and who doesn't really want it. Lots of trade Brown ideas but idk if there's anything much out there worth it.

[snowman]

Very big mistake even thinking about splitting up Tatum and Brown. Timelord and Horford, and to some extent, Kanter, are holding down the 5 spot. (as a side note, I don't like the 2 big lineup, and think Tatum plays much better from the PF spot) G. Will has changed my mind with his shooting and grit. Has he become this years version of, dare I say it, James Posey ? Maybe, but I like what I'm seeing now. I think Richardson has tuened the corner now, but let's hope this latest covid setback doesn't derail that. I still don't want to give up on the other young guys on the roster. (Langford, Pritchard and Nesmith)

With that being said, I do think it is time to move Schroder, unless Brad thinks he can, and actually wants to resign him somehow. Smart had a great assist game against the Bucks, but his shooting is till horrible. It really is hard to believe that Smart holds the 3 point recoed for makes in 1 game for the Celtics. (SMH) We really need a point guard that can shoot consistantly. Parker, Hernangomez and Bruno need to be moved. Why rade for Hernangomez or resign Parker if they are unplayable ?

[BK_2020]

Is KAT realistic? Would he fit here? Nice on offense but isn't his defense putrid? Does he pass? Idk man. I don't want a guy who puts up fluff for numbers and who doesn't really want it. Lots of trade Brown ideas but idk if there's anything much out there worth it.

Fluff for numbers? These are KAT's season-by-season on/off percentiles:
86, 72, 98, 91, 80, 96, 80

For reference, our big-time winner Jaylen Brown has had seasons in the following on/off percentiles:
11, 91, 19, 40, 60, 84

[Fantaxp7]

Schroder, Freedom & Fernando to DET for Olynyk, with Schroder going to a 3rd team, who sends DET an asset.

Boston adds some big man depth and a big that can shoot the 3. Horford doesn't have to play heavy minutes and this is insurance for Rob Williams next injury.

Maybe something similar but to get our guy Theis back?

[Larry_Russell]

Very big mistake even thinking about splitting up Tatum and Brown. Timelord and Horford, and to some extent, Kanter, are holding down the 5 spot. (as a side note, I don't like the 2 big lineup, and think Tatum plays much better from the PF spot) G. Will has changed my mind with his shooting and grit. Has he become this years version of, dare I say it, James Posey ? Maybe, but I like what I'm seeing now. I think Richardson has tuened the corner now, but let's hope this latest covid setback doesn't derail that. I still don't want to give up on the other young guys on the roster. (Langford, Pritchard and Nesmith)

With that being said, I do think it is time to move Schroder, unless Brad thinks he can, and actually wants to resign him somehow. Smart had a great assist game against the Bucks, but his shooting is till horrible. It really is hard to believe that Smart holds the 3 point recoed for makes in 1 game for the Celtics. (SMH) We really need a point guard that can shoot consistantly. Parker, Hernangomez and Bruno need to be moved. Why rade for Hernangomez or resign Parker if they are unplayable ?

I am willing to ride out the year with Smart as the PG.

There are a few things that happen when he is the primary point
1) The ball moves - The ball doesnt stick with smart, He moves it and moves himself

2) he doesnt shoot from above the break. Those are Marcus' worst shot, He hardly takes them when he plays point> He shoots them when he is the SG as that is the sets that get run, he ends up being the guy catching the ball in that situation. When he is the PG he gets down into the corners, and he shoots just fine from there.

I still dont care for the 2 big lineup and beg for a shooter at the SG spot who can start, or the PF spot. I like Horford starting with the Jays and Smart with TImelord first off the bench.