Covid Outbreak with Chicago Bulls and League not doing anything? (Update: The league did something - pg 10)

[Nick Sigler]

Seems like anti-vaxxers are attempting to derail this thread with "questions"

Funny, my vax card says I got two doses and a booster, so maybe let's chill with your outrage. It's a legit question and should be something everyone is wondering.

Have you heard of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Omicron_variant

This isn't confirmed but IMO it's pretty likely the reason they are testing positive even with "most having 2 shots and booster". If they got the booster in the last week~ prior to the outbreak it's not effective yet.

There was always going to be a winter spike. There has been every winter since the pandemic began.

At some point we need to ask the question of what amount of risk are we willing to live with for those who are fully vaccinated/boosted, who only know they have this virus because someone made them take a test.

[Soca]

NBA and NFL both are getting hit pretty hard right now.

[Clocian]

Knicks and Nets better play until at least 10 players are in the protocol.

How many people gonna keep the same energy I wonder?

[cool007]

This is what I was afraid of, Started from Philly to Bulls and to Hornets and Knicks now to Nets and possibly to Cavs and Heat (probably next) as those are the teams that Bulls played.

There is going to be trickling effect to other teams where players will be place under Health & Safety protocols.

[Dominator83]

Funny, my vax card says I got two doses and a booster, so maybe let's chill with your outrage. It's a legit question and should be something everyone is wondering.

Have you heard of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Omicron_variant

This isn't confirmed but IMO it's pretty likely the reason they are testing positive even with "most having 2 shots and booster". If they got the booster in the last week~ prior to the outbreak it's not effective yet.

There was always going to be a winter spike. There has been every winter since the pandemic began.

At some point we need to ask the question of what amount of risk are we willing to live with for those who are fully vaccinated/boosted, who only know they have this virus because someone made them take a test.

Yea we really need to change the standards a little here. If people are fully vaccinated and not feeling any symptoms, what's the big deal ? Covid is never gonna be gone. But if it's at least under control in terms of potency, then we just have to accept it and life goes on.

[JujitsuFlip]

Say what you want about the bubble season, but with the amount of outbreaks in the last 2 seasons the bubble was by far the most valid of the 3.

Wasn't that tough mentally for a lot of the players/coaches though?

[BigDan245]

The real negative in this is going to be the Christmas schedule...Don't see how it's not a complete disaster in a few days...Bright side is hopefully these guys get it all now and will be good to go the rest of the year.

[Slacktard]

Read on Twitter

Nets now up to 7 players in protocol. Guessing they will be the next suspended game team. I'm guessing this is Delta variant (or Omicron) variant, but it certainly is spreading more from OPPONENT to OPPONENT than any of the covid outbreaks last season.

[Pointgod]

Giannis as well……

[Pointgod]

The spike in cases is reflective of the low vaccination rates and lax rules throughout the US. It’s no surprise that cases increased in the NBA after thanksgiving and expect another surge post Christmas.

Unless the NBA wants to restrict what vaccinated players can do there’s really not a lot of great options. Other than returning to daily testing so they can at least limit the spread within the team and staff.

[vital_signs]

The spike in cases is reflective of the low vaccination rates and lax rules throughout the US. It’s no surprise that cases increased in the NBA after thanksgiving and expect another surge post Christmas.

Unless the NBA wants to restrict what vaccinated players can do there’s really not a lot of great options. Other than returning to daily testing so they can at least limit the spread within the team and staff.

Low vaccination rate? Add in that the lower vaccinated parts of the country aren't places where NBA players would be....

Either the vaccine is trash or we're still wrapping people in bubblewrap.

[Pointgod]

The spike in cases is reflective of the low vaccination rates and lax rules throughout the US. It’s no surprise that cases increased in the NBA after thanksgiving and expect another surge post Christmas.

Unless the NBA wants to restrict what vaccinated players can do there’s really not a lot of great options. Other than returning to daily testing so they can at least limit the spread within the team and staff.

Low vaccination rate? Add in that the lower vaccinated parts of the country aren't places where NBA players would be....

Either the vaccine is trash or we're still wrapping people in bubblewrap.

The vaccines work fine and they’re doing the job of keeping people from being hospitalized and in the ICU. Herd immunity only works if a high number of people are vaccinated. Even in a state like California with high vaccination rates still has millions of unvaccinated people. Unvaccinated people also travel from state to state. I’m sure NBA players have family and friends that are unvaccinated and I’m they aren’t giving them PCR tests before they hang out. This is just the reality of opening up the country without high vaccination rates. Cases are going to go up and unless the NBA goes back to restricting where players go this is going to keep happening.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Why don't they change the rules for the Bulls specifically, since wins for them have been so hard to come by in recent years?

The Bulls are a half game behind Milwaukee.

How many illogical fanatics do you guys have? You're coming out the woodwork. I'm saying the wins have been hard to come by, in recent years, so you now have to hold on tight to the limited success you've had, because you're concerned it could all come crashing down because players miss a few games. It shows insecurity. You aren't doing that w/ success in recent years & belief your team is strong enough to overcome players missing a few games of an 82 match season.

BTW, the Bulls are a half game behind EVEN AFTER the Bucks had as much attrition as anyone this season. So if you're confident you're so good, why can't you just do the same thing? You're scared you're not. I personally don't have any opinion whether the Bulls are (beyond they aren't as good as the Bucks, and several other teams).

Funny for someone to be talking about insecurity when they posted a wall of text about why the Bulls aren't that good. You're clearly worried about something.

Also love being lectured about success by fans of a team that averages a championship about once every 50 years.

[Ballerhogger]

Half the nets roster, THT ……. More and more players

[lakerz12]

The spike in cases is reflective of the low vaccination rates and lax rules throughout the US. It’s no surprise that cases increased in the NBA after thanksgiving and expect another surge post Christmas.

Unless the NBA wants to restrict what vaccinated players can do there’s really not a lot of great options. Other than returning to daily testing so they can at least limit the spread within the team and staff.

Low vaccination rate? Add in that the lower vaccinated parts of the country aren't places where NBA players would be....

Either the vaccine is trash or we're still wrapping people in bubblewrap.

The vaccines work fine and they’re doing the job of keeping people from being hospitalized and in the ICU. Herd immunity only works if a high number of people are vaccinated. Even in a state like California with high vaccination rates still has millions of unvaccinated people. Unvaccinated people also travel from state to state. I’m sure NBA players have family and friends that are unvaccinated and I’m they aren’t giving them PCR tests before they hang out. This is just the reality of opening up the country without high vaccination rates. Cases are going to go up and unless the NBA goes back to restricting where players go this is going to keep happening.

People who have had Covid acquire antibodies, also.

To say herd immunity is only possible through vaccinations is just not true.

If you’re going to blatantly ignore “natural immunity” your statements are really empty.

Not to mention that vaccinated people are currently contracting and spreading the virus…

I’m vaccinated but I’m also capable of recognizing that the current vaccines are not the be all to end all. They are more like 1 mitigation strategy. But not the only.

[Liam_Gallagher]

The spike in cases is reflective of the low vaccination rates and lax rules throughout the US. It’s no surprise that cases increased in the NBA after thanksgiving and expect another surge post Christmas.

Unless the NBA wants to restrict what vaccinated players can do there’s really not a lot of great options. Other than returning to daily testing so they can at least limit the spread within the team and staff.

Low vaccination rate? Add in that the lower vaccinated parts of the country aren't places where NBA players would be....

Either the vaccine is trash or we're still wrapping people in bubblewrap.

The vaccines work fine and they’re doing the job of keeping people from being hospitalized and in the ICU.

Not in England.

[Sharcm1]

Too many players with covid. Bulls. Nets. Now Giannis. Nba better get it under control quick

[Sharcm1]

Low vaccination rate? Add in that the lower vaccinated parts of the country aren't places where NBA players would be....

Either the vaccine is trash or we're still wrapping people in bubblewrap.

The vaccines work fine and they’re doing the job of keeping people from being hospitalized and in the ICU. Herd immunity only works if a high number of people are vaccinated. Even in a state like California with high vaccination rates still has millions of unvaccinated people. Unvaccinated people also travel from state to state. I’m sure NBA players have family and friends that are unvaccinated and I’m they aren’t giving them PCR tests before they hang out. This is just the reality of opening up the country without high vaccination rates. Cases are going to go up and unless the NBA goes back to restricting where players go this is going to keep happening.

People who have had Covid acquire antibodies, also.

To say herd immunity is only possible through vaccinations is just not true.

If you’re going to blatantly ignore “natural immunity” your statements are really empty.

Not to mention that vaccinated people are currently contracting and spreading the virus…

I’m vaccinated but I’m also capable of recognizing that the current vaccines are not the be all to end all. They are more like 1 mitigation strategy. But not the only.

I’m not sure herd immunity with covid is possible. People can get covid over and over so no lasting immunity therefore can’t build to the herd immunity level just like other cold viruses.

[Liam_Gallagher]

People can get covid over and over so no lasting immunity therefore can’t build to the herd immunity level just like other cold viruses.

That's just straight up false.

[step]

People can get covid over and over so no lasting immunity therefore can’t build to the herd immunity level just like other cold viruses.

That's just straight up false.

A quick Google shows repeat infections are indeed possible, but rare. Guessing you're objecting to the 'over and over' part?
It appears with the different variants, prior infection may not provide sufficient resistance/coverage.

CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfection.html
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34487669/
https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/372/bmj.n99.full.pdf

An early study by Public Health England, indicated that antibodies provide 83% protection against covid-19 reinfections over a five month period. Out of 6614 participants, 44 had “possible” or “probable” reinfections.

It all appears to be in context though, not knowing the specific cases and how much of a response they got the first/second time etc. See below:

But Mossong says that, in his experience with coronaviruses, those who experience the mildest symptoms in their initial infection have a higher likelihood of reinfection, perhaps because they didn’t develop an immune response the first time.