The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

playa-hater · Post #1381 » by **playa-hater** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:14 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Brooklyn is open to trading Joe Harris for some reason?

they like the young player Cam Thomas?? better

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1382 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:42 pm

bisme37 wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:
bisme37 wrote:I'm a little concerned that trading Schroo will result in the team missing Schroo. For all his faults we don't exactly have a ton of guys who can break down the defense and get their own shot.

What are his numbers when Jaylen plays? I can't remember. Is he scoring because he has to, does he have a role when we're healthy?

Schroo's individual numbers go up quite a bit when he starts in place of Jaylen. But the team defense gets worse and the overall results have been worse.

I just think he adds a dimension we would otherwise lack, as far as getting to the rim and increasing the pace of the offense. And he's talented and we aren't exactly overflowing with talent in general. I don't know why he can't come off the bench and give us a boost even if his role is decreased. And I mean, it's not like we're likely to be fully healthy for the rest of the year, whether it be injuries or covid.

I'm not president of the dude's fan club or anything. But he's a useful talented player and I'm surprised people are so eager to dump him. If we do trade him it would be nice to get an actual talent upgrade in the deal, but I'm not really seeing anything like that being proposed. So I'm just thinking, yo, we need more good players, not fewer.

Yeah I think he helps us, I'm just wondering how much we "need" him. Idea is that if we're not good enough to win more than 45 games, getting value back for a guy who's a rental is worth it.

BostonCouchGM · Post #1383 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:27 am

ddb wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Would love to have KAT and have fellow Dominican Horfie mentor him. I doubt Minny trades him unless he asks out.

Getting rid of Schro trade idea: Schroder + Juancho for Sato (who's expiring and is playing like ****) + some minor asset. Moves PP up the rotation w/ an expiring vet as emergency pass-first PG. Leave 15th spot open for buyout guy or sign someone like James Ennis or Mike Scott if we want another stretch big or just give Sam Hauser a shot.

Kyle Anderson as backup swing would be cool too. Dunno what Griz would want for him. Former Spurs guy who can only help the ball movement movement. But why would MEM have interest in Dennis when they have Ja and Tyus?

I would love to get Boston for Schroder, but no way CLippers do that.

Knicks for Samanic and Knox (win later move on Samanic)
Mavs, maybe for Josh green?
Denver?
Pelicans? Would they trade Hart? Would they trade Hart and JV? and full out tank?
Houston? Schroder and Juancho for Garuba and Augustine?

Wizards?

just a small tidbit on Samanic. word out of San Antonio is that was a major whiff...apparently he's terrible and it's highly unlikely he ever makes it in the NBA.

Samanic 22-11-2 in g-league for Knicks. 23-14-6 for Spurs in past Summer League. The Spurs without Duncan have exposed Pop as the fraud that he is. "word" is probably from some genius on their board like the ones we have claiming PP and Nesmith suck lol. And NY GM isn't going to play Samanic over the guy he just drafted (Toppin). It's why it's so rare for guys drafted by one team to ever break through with another. Opportunity often trumps talent in the NBA.

I've always been a huge fan of Samanic, Knox, Sekou, Bagley Jr., Bamba, Bazley and Bol. All guys that could help us with size. Those guys, along with Pritchard and Nesmith, just got screwed with who took them and I don't think any one of them got a fair shot. Seeing how PP and Nesmith are treated, Boston would be the last place an agent should steer a young player to.

gocelts · Post #1384 » by **gocelts** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:43 am

Anyone who inquires about Schroder is getting counter offered whatever it would take for Smart instead.

Larry_Russell · Post #1385 » by **Larry_Russell** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:00 am

gocelts wrote:Anyone who inquires about Schroder is getting counter offered whatever it would take for Smart instead.

That would be really dumb.

keevsnick1 · Post #1386 » by **keevsnick1** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:14 am

ddb wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:

Read on Twitter

I would strongly consider a Brown for KAT swap (as long as I have a backup deal for a wing player involving Timelord+ for a 3 and d guy)

Smart
Trade
Tatum
Horford
KAT

Simmons=Nope
Fox=Nope
Sabonis=maybe? Brown I have as higher value so something like Brown+ for Sabonis and Brogdon

I am 100% on board with a Brown for KAT swap. I'm sure other pieces would be involved, but KAT is a guy that I think needs a fresh start and will thrive in an environment like Boston.
I think people are absolutely sleeping on how unstoppable a Tatum/KAT tandem would be.

KAT and Sabonis just don't do it for me. KAT is a pretty if not very bad defensive player. Bad by the eye test, advanced stats, defensive rating while he's on the floor, opponents shooting percentage at the rim, ect. And he plays the most important defensive position on the floor. It's REALLY hard to win in the NBA with a bad defensive center.

Also, putting aside weather the C's should/would want him there is absolutely zero reason MIN would do a KAT for Jaylen swap. Those guys have the same number of years left on their deal, so if the fear from MIN is that KAT is gonna leave at the end of his contract then why exactly are they trading for a guy with the same number of years who is even LESS likely to have any loyalty to the organization? No if they trade KAT it's to rebuild completely around Anthony Edwards.

IND might be more willing to do a Sabonis/Brown swap because they might wnat to try and stay relevant with a Brogdon/Brown/Turner core, but i also just think Sabonis is massively overated by this board. The KAT thing I think you at least have to consider on the basis of pure talent even if I'm not sure I'd do it. Sabonis is a mediocre defender, non shooting center. Just doesnt have the value people think he does.

Curmudgeon · Post #1387 » by **Curmudgeon** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:08 am

Sabonis does it for me. He just knows how to play, like Jokic. He does what Horford does, only much better.

BK_2020 · Post #1388 » by **BK_2020** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:10 am

Sabonis is to Jokic as Chris Boucher is to KD.

Curmudgeon · Post #1389 » by **Curmudgeon** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:32 am

Was Chris Boucher ever NBA player of the week?
BTW if I could get Chris Boucher for Schroder and Nesmith I'd do it in a heartbeat.

jfs1000d · Post #1390 » by **jfs1000d** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:55 am

Curmudgeon wrote:Was Chris Boucher ever NBA player of the week?
BTW if I could get Chris Boucher for Schroder and Nesmith I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Sabonis a good player, i just don't find him good enough. I would rather have simmons. It's odd. I just am not valuing a PF like I used to I guess.

Yes, he is 18 11 and 4. But, we are in an error of stat inflation.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1391 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:04 am

Curmudgeon wrote:Sabonis does it for me. He just knows how to play, like Jokic. He does what Horford does, only much better.

Come on, he doesn't space the floor or defend well. Blocks like half a shot a game. He's tough, he rebounds, and the offensive awareness, screening and passing are great. But he has serious limitations. It's possible he can shoot 3s by the time he's 30. Defense would take a rare Marc Gasol like leap where he masters anticipation and positioning, even then he's got short arms.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1392 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:11 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:I've always been a huge fan of Samanic, Knox, Sekou, Bagley Jr., Bamba, Bazley and Bol. All guys that could help us with size. Those guys, along with Pritchard and Nesmith, just got screwed with who took them and I don't think any one of them got a fair shot. Seeing how PP and Nesmith are treated, Boston would be the last place an agent should steer a young player to.

Nah, all those guys suck. Bagley is interesting at a discount and Bamba is intriguing, but neither one could "help us". They're projects with a small chance of major upside. Knox sucks. Bol Bol's so skinny his d*ck looks like a car antenna. Sekou was cut by the worst team in the league at the start of a long-term rebuild despite being twenty years old.

1st banana · Post #1393 » by **1st banana** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:27 am

NuckyPowell wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Mike Muscala is shooting 44% from 3 lol. Any interest?

Schroder + Juancho for Muscala gets us under tax I think.

Pull the trigger on a Schroder trade. Bring this guy in on a minimum. He's tanned, rested, and ready. Seriously, I don't even care if it's a wasted roster spot. Time to complete the circle.

Read on Twitter

Seriously it’s time, we need to right the imbalance in the universe from when we hosed IT and traded him. It sent our team into an injury riddled, effortless treadmill spiral.

Signing him basically locks up banner 18.

jfs1000d · Post #1394 » by **jfs1000d** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:44 pm

Stop with Bamba or bagley. We have to get a third too 25-30 player.

Or, at least a guy who’s an average 17 ppg.

Al just can’t do it at his age. Schroeder isn’t that player. He is a fourth option and an bench scorer.

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TheOGJabroni · Post #1395 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:41 pm

BK_2020 wrote:Sabonis is to Jokic as Chris Boucher is to KD.

You can be against acquiring Sabonis; I'm not sure he makes the most sense here either, but this is just not a good take. It would honestly be closer saying Tatum to KD than Boucher to KD.

Larry_Russell · Post #1396 » by **Larry_Russell** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:39 pm

TheOGJabroni wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:Sabonis is to Jokic as Chris Boucher is to KD.

You can be against acquiring Sabonis; I'm not sure he makes the most sense here either, but this is just not a good take. It would honestly be closer saying Tatum to KD than Boucher to KD.

I would take Sabonis, but not at the price of Jaylen or Tatum.

Horford and picks or youth, absolutely.

zoyathedestroya · Post #1397 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:07 pm

Read on Twitter

chrisab123 · Post #1398 » by **chrisab123** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:12 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
TheOGJabroni wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:Sabonis is to Jokic as Chris Boucher is to KD.

You can be against acquiring Sabonis; I'm not sure he makes the most sense here either, but this is just not a good take. It would honestly be closer saying Tatum to KD than Boucher to KD.

I would take Sabonis, but not at the price of Jaylen or Tatum.

Horford and picks or youth, absolutely.

Correct. Sabonis helps this team a lot WITH the Jays not at the expense of them.

GoGreen · Post #1399 » by **GoGreen** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:14 pm

Christian Wood or Norman Powell would be nice. Christian especially since Al is aging.

Thoughts on Hield/Bagley?

chrisab123 · Post #1400 » by **chrisab123** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:15 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
BostonCouchGM wrote:I've always been a huge fan of Samanic, Knox, Sekou, Bagley Jr., Bamba, Bazley and Bol. All guys that could help us with size. Those guys, along with Pritchard and Nesmith, just got screwed with who took them and I don't think any one of them got a fair shot. Seeing how PP and Nesmith are treated, Boston would be the last place an agent should steer a young player to.

Nah, all those guys suck. Bagley is interesting at a discount and Bamba is intriguing, but neither one could "help us". They're projects with a small chance of major upside. Knox sucks. Bol Bol's so skinny his d*ck looks like a car antenna. Sekou was cut by the worst team in the league at the start of a long-term rebuild despite being twenty years old.

Orlando would probably trade Bamba for a vintage Shaq jersey. Sekou is a jobber. Bagley might be a victim of circumstance in Sacramento but his best scenario is probably putting it together and giving this team a good year ala Randle before getting moved again. These aren't players to rip your team apart for. These are all guys to sign if they're on the street and you want to roll the dice.