Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants)

[Bad-Thoma]

If you ever needed a case study on why we need to spend more on education it would be this thread. "Well I went to Disney without a mask and didn't get it so..." I mean I actually feel bad for some of the people here that don't even understand something as basic as anecdotal evidence and why it's not relevant to an argument. It doesn't even mean they are stupid, they just weren't taught critical thinking skills.

Your personal experience might be that you have been completely carefree about covid and been fine. It's irrelevant. My personal experience is that I've been highly cautious and followed the advice of experts on how to handle covid and have been unscathed. No more relevant than your experience. What's relevant is the massive load of both current and historical data that tells us vaccines work to suppress and even eradicate the spread of disease. What's relevant is massive load of information detailing the numbers of deaths and hospitalizations due to covid and the small sacrifices we can make to not only protect ourselves and our loved ones but our country as a whole.

There is no argument here. You can find all the random, corner of the internet bull that you want but that's out there for any point of view. It's flat earth bull ****. Science doesn't give a **** whether it fits your narrative. You act like your big and tough because you aren't scared of covid but you're terrified of admitting you've been wrong to the point that you can't even confront it when something you put up in this thread gets completely debunked. It's just straight up sad.

[exculpatory]

If you ever needed a case study on why we need to spend more on education it would be this thread. "Well I went to Disney without a mask and didn't get it so..." I mean I actually feel bad for some of the people here that don't even understand something as basic as anecdotal evidence and why it's not relevant to an argument. It doesn't even mean they are stupid, they just weren't taught critical thinking skills.

Your personal experience might be that you have been completely carefree about covid and been fine. It's irrelevant. My personal experience is that I've been highly cautious and followed the advice of experts on how to handle covid and have been unscathed. No more relevant than your experience. What's relevant is the massive load of both current and historical data that tells us vaccines work to suppress and even eradicate the spread of disease. What's relevant is massive load of information detailing the numbers of deaths and hospitalizations due to covid and the small sacrifices we can make to not only protect ourselves and our loved ones but our country as a whole.

There is no argument here. You can find all the random, corner of the internet bull that you want but that's out there for any point of view. It's flat earth bull ****. Science doesn't give a **** whether it fits your narrative. You act like your big and tough because you aren't scared of covid but you're terrified of admitting you've been wrong to the point that you can't even confront it when something you put up in this thread gets completely debunked. It's just straight up sad.

It’s not just sad.
It’s nauseating.
This anti-science group of ignorant & irresponsible anti-mask, anti-VAX scum **** perpetuating this pandemic deserve lifelong scorn & condemnation.
Unforgivable.

[Scarletfire81]

Ex could tone it down, but you just got your ass totally humiliated in two posts.

Please stop talking. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Exactly how did I get my ass handed to me? It’s obvious that natural immunity triggers you guys. You are coming across as angry know it all whiners.

Natural immunity doesn't trigger me. In fact, I'm happy that it exists and can be counted on as part of the equation.

What triggers me is the fanatical spread of ignorance and misinformation.

Let's make believe these vaccines didn't exist. What exactly would your plan to stop this pandemic be? Just do nuthin' and let our bodies take care of everything? If so, do you understand that all the money that Big Pharma is raking in would instead be going to the morgue, funeral service and cemetery businesses?

How is natural immunity misinformation? That was my original post. Let’s pretend that big pharma has liability on side effects & information about side effects weren’t being surpressed. Then maybe people would have more trust.

[Mr Loggins]

Who cares what you personally think of me? What does that have to do with anything? You are the one that isn’t thinking rationally. This whole idea that the unvaccinated are responsible for the spread is one of the stupidest things these so called experts have ever came up with. No one ever blames the unvaccinated for the regular flu. Who cares if you despise me? This isn’t even relevant.

i’ve posted this previously: I’m a pulmonary/critical physician - ie one of those who directly take care of covid patients. We track vaccination status, and right now of the 26 (out of a 65 bed icu) patients with covid, 22 are unvaccinated. I don’t know the exact numbers of every hospital obviously, but speaking to my friends in the profession they describe similar numbers.

While we don’t despise the unvaccinated, most of us get the sense by making that “personal choice” and contributing to overcrowding/burnout - whatever you want to call it - you’re giving us a giant middle finger.

but, you do you.

Ok it’s clear you believe in the vaccines. I wish the pharmaceutical companies did. If they did they wouldn’t need to remove any liability when it comes to side effects. Also as I said earlier, no one knows the long term effects of these vaccines. Short term the risk is not high you will die from COVID. If the vaccines are working then in areas where the is 60-70 percent vaccinated the numbers should go down by that much but they aren’t. In fact, in the some of the most vaccinated areas they are seeing spike. I get what you are saying most patients are unvaccinated but they aren’t to blame for the spreading.

I live in the twin cities area, which has a 70% vaccination rate. So that means there are *far* more people walking around who are vaccinated than unvaccinated, agreed?

Yet, despite outnumbering unvaccinated by more than a 2:1 ratio, the unvaccinated are using up ICU beds by a 10:1 ratio.

My numbers are pretty rough estimates, but granted that - What conclusions would you draw from
this?

[Scarletfire81]

Let’s pretend YouTube wasn’t hiding dislikes because of the disaster this administration. Let’s pretend the mandates weren’t getting destroyed in court because they aren’t constitutional. Ya’ll want to play the pretend game, let’s go.

[Scarletfire81]

i’ve posted this previously: I’m a pulmonary/critical physician - ie one of those who directly take care of covid patients. We track vaccination status, and right now of the 26 (out of a 65 bed icu) patients with covid, 22 are unvaccinated. I don’t know the exact numbers of every hospital obviously, but speaking to my friends in the profession they describe similar numbers.

While we don’t despise the unvaccinated, most of us get the sense by making that “personal choice” and contributing to overcrowding/burnout - whatever you want to call it - you’re giving us a giant middle finger.

but, you do you.

Ok it’s clear you believe in the vaccines. I wish the pharmaceutical companies did. If they did they wouldn’t need to remove any liability when it comes to side effects. Also as I said earlier, no one knows the long term effects of these vaccines. Short term the risk is not high you will die from COVID. If the vaccines are working then in areas where the is 60-70 percent vaccinated the numbers should go down by that much but they aren’t. In fact, in the some of the most vaccinated areas they are seeing spike. I get what you are saying most patients are unvaccinated but they aren’t to blame for the spreading.

I live in the twin cities area, which has a 70% vaccination rate. So that means there are *far* more people walking around who are vaccinated than unvaccinated, agreed?

Yet, despite outnumbering unvaccinated by more than a 2:1 ratio, the unvaccinated are using up ICU beds by a 10:1 ratio.

My numbers are pretty rough estimates, but granted that - What conclusions would you draw from
this?

I live in a area with only 50 percent are vaccinated and their are virtually no cases. But we never really shut down and the let virus run its course. 7 day average is 20 cases a day.

[SuperDeluxe]

Exactly how did I get my ass handed to me? It’s obvious that natural immunity triggers you guys. You are coming across as angry know it all whiners.

Natural immunity doesn't trigger me. In fact, I'm happy that it exists and can be counted on as part of the equation.

What triggers me is the fanatical spread of ignorance and misinformation.

Let's make believe these vaccines didn't exist. What exactly would your plan to stop this pandemic be? Just do nuthin' and let our bodies take care of everything? If so, do you understand that all the money that Big Pharma is raking in would instead be going to the morgue, funeral service and cemetery businesses?

How is natural immunity misinformation? That was my original post. Let’s pretend that big pharma has liability on side effects & information about side effects weren’t being surpressed. Then maybe people would have more trust.

I take it you've never read a contract, health-related or not. But let's stick with health. Have you ever been to a hospital for any kind of complex procedure? You have to sign waivers of liability -- that's the way it works. If you reject the waivers, there's no procedure for you. Everybody everywhere protects their asses, even for time-proven procedures. Did you expect pharma companies not to? I'm sure their contracts still stipulate they've no responsibility for vaccines or drugs that they've been selling for decades.

Let’s pretend YouTube wasn’t hiding dislikes because of the disaster this administration. Let’s pretend the mandates weren’t getting destroyed in court because they aren’t constitutional. Ya’ll want to play the pretend game, let’s go.

I'm in Canada and there are no YouTube dislikes here anymore either. Should I assume that the YouTube Canada is hiding dislikes because some people in the US don't like the Biden administration?

I hope this Christmas you get the tinfoil hat you've been craving for.

[ballup]

Let’s pretend YouTube wasn’t hiding dislikes because of the disaster this administration. Let’s pretend the mandates weren’t getting destroyed in court because they aren’t constitutional. Ya’ll want to play the pretend game, let’s go.

Your ignorance extends to your understanding of how private companies work. Can't get much more boomer than this.

I don't expect every person to keep up with Youtube's state of affairs, but to pin this on the government instead of Youtube's continual downspiral for half a decade is hilarious

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[Scarletfire81]

Let’s pretend YouTube wasn’t hiding dislikes because of the disaster this administration. Let’s pretend the mandates weren’t getting destroyed in court because they aren’t constitutional. Ya’ll want to play the pretend game, let’s go.

Your ignorance extends to your understanding of how private companies work. Can't get much more boomer than this.

I don't expect every person to keep up with Youtube's state of affairs, but to pin this on the government instead of Youtube's continual downspiral for half a decade is hilarious

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I never said they couldn’t do it though. It just points out how pathetically sensitive they they to how unpopular this administration is.

It’s funny you bring up private companies, because there are many people that want peoples private health records public. Mainly vaccination cards.

[ballup]

:wink:

Let’s pretend YouTube wasn’t hiding dislikes because of the disaster this administration. Let’s pretend the mandates weren’t getting destroyed in court because they aren’t constitutional. Ya’ll want to play the pretend game, let’s go.

Your ignorance extends to your understanding of how private companies work. Can't get much more boomer than this.

I don't expect every person to keep up with Youtube's state of affairs, but to pin this on the government instead of Youtube's continual downspiral for half a decade is hilarious

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I never said they couldn’t do it though. It just points out how pathetically sensitive they they to how unpopular this administration is.

It’s funny you bring up private companies, because there are many people that want peoples private health records public. Mainly vaccination cards.

Again, the fact that you think the presidency has anything to do with Youtube's poor management shows how out of touch you are. Google wants to make small content creators feel like they're being protected even though Youtube's history points to the opposite. Absolutely nothing to do with politics lmao

Vaccine passports don't make your health record public. They're documentation of whether you received a vaccine. You can't just walk up to someone and demand they show you your vaccine card. Now, if a business requires you to prove that you're vaccinated, that's fair game as it's up to the business to decide whether you can engage with them. No, that's not discrimination either as vaccination status isn't the same as race, disability, or orientation.

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[Andrew McCeltic]

If you ever needed a case study on why we need to spend more on education it would be this thread. "Well I went to Disney without a mask and didn't get it so..." I mean I actually feel bad for some of the people here that don't even understand something as basic as anecdotal evidence and why it's not relevant to an argument. It doesn't even mean they are stupid, they just weren't taught critical thinking skills.

Your personal experience might be that you have been completely carefree about covid and been fine. It's irrelevant. My personal experience is that I've been highly cautious and followed the advice of experts on how to handle covid and have been unscathed. No more relevant than your experience. What's relevant is the massive load of both current and historical data that tells us vaccines work to suppress and even eradicate the spread of disease. What's relevant is massive load of information detailing the numbers of deaths and hospitalizations due to covid and the small sacrifices we can make to not only protect ourselves and our loved ones but our country as a whole.

There is no argument here. You can find all the random, corner of the internet bull that you want but that's out there for any point of view. It's flat earth bull ****. Science doesn't give a **** whether it fits your narrative. You act like your big and tough because you aren't scared of covid but you're terrified of admitting you've been wrong to the point that you can't even confront it when something you put up in this thread gets completely debunked. It's just straight up sad.

That's what's so frustrating. It's NOT HARD to understand the problem with anecdotal evidence, or to understand risk. "I went to Disney and didn't catch Covid" is like seeing a rookie miss his first shot and saying "he can't shoot, he's never going to make a shot!" The chance you catch Covid being at Disney unmasked and unvaxxed is WAY HIGHER than if you're masked and vaccinated.

I don't think it's about stupidity or even lack of critical thinking - there's a lot of pseudo-critical thinking people are happy to use to try to debunk expertise. It's about attitude. Refusal to understand basics.

And I get it, a little. Because I was an English major but I at least know the difference between anecdote and data, I know what a double-blind controlled study is, I have a layperson's understanding of statistical significance, the scientific method... so even though ex knows way more than I do, he doesn't sound like a corrupt priest speaking Latin, I can follow along enough to understand his reasoning and expertise. And he can do the same thing with people who know way more about epidemiology and coronaviruses than he does. So there's a level of trust which probably wouldn't be there if I were ignorant of all those things. Or it would be a kind of blind trust in authority.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Natural immunity doesn't trigger me. In fact, I'm happy that it exists and can be counted on as part of the equation.

What triggers me is the fanatical spread of ignorance and misinformation.

Let's make believe these vaccines didn't exist. What exactly would your plan to stop this pandemic be? Just do nuthin' and let our bodies take care of everything? If so, do you understand that all the money that Big Pharma is raking in would instead be going to the morgue, funeral service and cemetery businesses?

How is natural immunity misinformation? That was my original post. Let’s pretend that big pharma has liability on side effects & information about side effects weren’t being surpressed. Then maybe people would have more trust.

I take it you've never read a contract, health-related or not. But let's stick with health. Have you ever been to a hospital for any kind of complex procedure? You have to sign waivers of liability -- that's the way it works. If you reject the waivers, there's no procedure for you. Everybody everywhere protects their asses, even for time-proven procedures. Did you expect pharma companies not to? I'm sure their contracts still stipulate they've no responsibility for vaccines or drugs that they've been selling for decades.

Let’s pretend YouTube wasn’t hiding dislikes because of the disaster this administration. Let’s pretend the mandates weren’t getting destroyed in court because they aren’t constitutional. Ya’ll want to play the pretend game, let’s go.

YouTube is not just hiding dislikes in the US. I'm in Canada and there are no dislikes here anymore either. Should I assume that the Canadian version of YouTube is hiding dislikes because some people in the US don't like the Biden administration?

I hope this Christmas you get the tinfoil hat you've been craving for.

Right. You accept risk with ANY medical treatment. But the risk is usually low - and the side effects are almost always better than the medical problem.

[Mr Loggins]

Ok it’s clear you believe in the vaccines. I wish the pharmaceutical companies did. If they did they wouldn’t need to remove any liability when it comes to side effects. Also as I said earlier, no one knows the long term effects of these vaccines. Short term the risk is not high you will die from COVID. If the vaccines are working then in areas where the is 60-70 percent vaccinated the numbers should go down by that much but they aren’t. In fact, in the some of the most vaccinated areas they are seeing spike. I get what you are saying most patients are unvaccinated but they aren’t to blame for the spreading.

I live in the twin cities area, which has a 70% vaccination rate. So that means there are *far* more people walking around who are vaccinated than unvaccinated, agreed?

Yet, despite outnumbering unvaccinated by more than a 2:1 ratio, the unvaccinated are using up ICU beds by a 10:1 ratio.

My numbers are pretty rough estimates, but granted that - What conclusions would you draw from
this?

I live in a area with only 50 percent are vaccinated and their are virtually no cases. But we never really shut down and the let virus run its course. 7 day average is 20 cases a day.

that’s a cool story, but stay on point. Take a look at the data given you and come up with a conclusion re:
vaccine effectiveness.

[canman1971]

Ok it’s clear you believe in the vaccines. I wish the pharmaceutical companies did. If they did they wouldn’t need to remove any liability when it comes to side effects. Also as I said earlier, no one knows the long term effects of these vaccines. Short term the risk is not high you will die from COVID. If the vaccines are working then in areas where the is 60-70 percent vaccinated the numbers should go down by that much but they aren’t. In fact, in the some of the most vaccinated areas they are seeing spike. I get what you are saying most patients are unvaccinated but they aren’t to blame for the spreading.

I live in the twin cities area, which has a 70% vaccination rate. So that means there are *far* more people walking around who are vaccinated than unvaccinated, agreed?

Yet, despite outnumbering unvaccinated by more than a 2:1 ratio, the unvaccinated are using up ICU beds by a 10:1 ratio.

My numbers are pretty rough estimates, but granted that - What conclusions would you draw from
this?

I live in a area with only 50 percent are vaccinated and their are virtually no cases. But we never really shut down and the let virus run its course. 7 day average is 20 cases a day.

Just take note that you and others that think like you are the reason this ********pandemic is still with us. Bravo.

[Ed Pinkney]

YouTube dislikes? Really?

[SuperDeluxe]

YouTube dislikes? Really?

It is outrageous indeed. And you can blame the radical left and their horrible administration for that.

[canman1971]

YouTube dislikes? Really?

Right? That's what people have resorted to. Unbelievable.

[Andrew McCeltic]

AOC is Castro's granddaughter and she's a Russian asset, she likes their history of communism and wants to centralize power here so that no one can ever make her feel unsafe again. She had YouTube take away dislikes as the first step in her plan to turn us into Venezuela.

There's a recording of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer laughing that Russia pays her and Biden and saying to keep it in the family, no leaks. Wait, wait, wait... god my memory is so bad, I'm like a goldfish

[SuperDeluxe]

AOC is Castro's granddaughter and she's a Russian asset, she likes their history of communism and wants to centralize power here so that no one can ever make her feel unsafe again. She had YouTube take away dislikes as the first step in her plan to turn us into Venezuela.

There's a recording of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer laughing that Russia pays her and Biden and saying to keep it in the family, no leaks. Wait, wait, wait... god my memory is so bad, I'm like a goldfish

It's the internet, so someone is going to run away with this. Your content may become viral. I mean, all you said makes perfect sense.

[Captain_Caveman]

Exactly how did I get my ass handed to me? It’s obvious that natural immunity triggers you guys.

BASED ON THE PEER REVIEWED SCIENCE I PROVIDED 3 LINKS FOR (AND COULD PROVIDE 5 MORE LINKS FOR), YOU **** MORON.

DO YOU COMPREHEND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PEER REVIEWED PUBLICATIONS PUBLISHED BY THE BEST EPIDEMIOLOGISTS, ACADEMIC INFECTIOUS DISEASE PHYSICIANS, & VIROLOGISTS IN THE WORLD
(POSTED BY A **** PROFESSOR OF MEDICINE = ME) IN CONTRAST TO RANDOM UNSUBSTANTIATED DISINFORMATIVE BULL **** WHICH CAN BE FOUND ON THE WEB (WHICH IDIOTS LIKE DDB & JMR OCCASIONALLY POST)?

ANSWER: YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE DUFFERENCE & ARE THEREFORE DANGEROUSLY STUPID. SMMFH.

I’ve been around a lot of people without a mask in close quarters, even went to Disney world were I was around thousands of people without a mask. Haven’t got sick. My brother who is double vax got really sick from covid. Others I know who are vaxxed got it as well. The people I know that are vaccinated have got it worse. Im not scared at all, deal with it. From my own experience what these studies are saying are not a reality for me personally.

On a planet of eight billion people, you think your anecdotal experience trumps the collective research by the medical community?

You're embarrassing yourself.