Some relevant individual December stats so far

[vege]

This is a small sample size, only 5 games but it is what it is

Cade Cunningham - December - 5 games - 172 minutes
35 3PA - 17 3PM - 48.6% - .54.9 TS
23 Assists - 23 TOV
+/- -9.8
22.0 PPG 5.2 RPG 4.6 APG

Saddiq Bey - December - 5 games - 148 minutes -
29 3PA - 10 3PM - 34.5% - .41.4 TS
+/- -18.3
9.2 PPG - 4.0 RPG 1.4 APG

Frank Jackson - December - 5 games - 119 minutes -
32 3PA - 14 3PM - 43.8% - .577 TS
+/- -8.5
12.6 PPG 1.2 RPG 1.2 APG

Cade has been super efficient scorer, after being a complete disaster earlier in the season, his TS is fine, however he is averaging 1/1 AST which is terrible and this month has been his worst +/- so far. Those are a franchise cornerstone stats (yeah Bing need to stfu)

Bey has been close to league average from 3, so it's not fair to say he has been shooting poorly from 3 anymore, however he has been a complete disaster, his +/- is almost 2x worst than Cade and F.Jackson, he has been an inneficient scorer and a terrible defender.

Frank Jackson has been an amazing scorer off the bench, he has been super efficient and has been shooting a lot of 3's he is capable of being the long term solution in this role imo.

[bstein14]

55% or better is good for TS%. I believe league average was 56.5% last season buts its down a bit this year.

Diallo was 63.1 TS% in November and in 4 games is 57.6 TS% in December thus far. He has been good and will get a bigger role with Grant out.

For the month of December thus far, Diallo has the best offensive rating on the team. Not surprisingly, Saben Lee (just 3 games at 19 MPG so super small sample size) has our best defensive rating and overall net rating. Diallo has a 6:1 Assists to TO ratio while Hayes has a very respectable 4.5 to 1 ratio and Saben Lee is 3rd best on our team at 2.75 assists to 1 TO.

Cade's Usage is up to 30.1%, which means out of every 10 possessions he's shooting the ball on 3 of them. Beef Stew has the lowest usage rate on the team in December with just 9.7%.

In December thus far, Bey's opponents are shooting 52.9% against him which is worst on our team. Saben Lee's opponents have shot 40.9% against him which is the best defense on our team. When you look at what opponents score per 100 possessions on average CoJo, Hayes(in part because opponents have made 48.6% on 3s against him which is really high), and Bey stand out as the worst defenders and Diallo and Lee stand out as the best defenders.

Saben Lee and Cade Cunningham are leading the team in deflections in December (Hayes was there in November but perhaps that thumb injury is causing him to be less active with his hands). Cade leads the team in loose balls recovered at almost 2 per game. Beef Stew leads the team in shots contested at 14.4 per game, while Cade is 2nd in that category at 7.2 per game.

[JRK]

I hope Cade averages 20-5-5 at the end of the season.

[El Chivo]

My problem with Bey is Bey being a 3D kind of player without the D.

His shooting slump is momentaneous, his defense has been supbar since he entered the league.

[dVs33]

Bey needs to learn when to drive inside. He has improved his handles and footwork, but he’s predictable and initiates contact too often. He’s not going to get fouls that way. Hopefully he shoots more 3s because that will open up the floor for him and the rest of the team.
Not sure about his d. Doesn’t seem like he’s improved at all unfortunately

[Billl]

Frank jackson is a nice sparkplug bench guy. I suspect he won't be a long term solution though. Nothing against him, but the contract timing isn't going to line up great for being a roll player. We still need to add the main guys and shouldn't be looking to lock bench players up on longer contracts.

Really hope Bey figures it out. He's too good of a shooter for this to last. I think the defensive knocks on him are overstated. He's not a great 1-on-1 defender, but I think he's good enough to play in a decent system. We just have 4 guys with very little experience in the NBA starting for us, and none of them really have anyone covering for them. All their little errors get exposed.

Cade - not sure what more you could hope for from a rookie the last few games. Total stud just dominating the flow of games. He's turning the ball over, but the vast majority of those are just poor decisions. There are no red flags in terms for the longrun in terms of him not being strong enough, quick enough, long enough etc. At the beginning of the season he wasn't really getting any separation going into the lane and I was a little nervous that he might not be athletic enough to be a dominant scorer in the NBA, but he's squashed any fears of that.

[Snakebites]

Nobody on the team is going to have a good +/- in this stretch of games.

Those team-impacted advanced stats are always going to look bad on an awful team. Granted, Cade isn't the impact guy we hope he'll become (yet), but I wouldn't get too caught up in the plus/minus stuff this early on.

[Manocad]

Granted, Cade isn't the impact guy we hope he'll become (yet), but I wouldn't get too caught up in the plus/minus stuff this early on.

Eh, that's a matter of perspective or definition of impact, I guess. To me Cade is absolutely showing he's the kind of impact player I had hoped he would be. Scoring 8 of the team's 10 points in his first NBA overtime game put that to rest. He could put up 25/9/7 every game on 48%/40% and if the rest of the team continues to perform the way they have it's not like even that stat line is going to start causing wins to pile up.

[Snakebites]

Granted, Cade isn't the impact guy we hope he'll become (yet), but I wouldn't get too caught up in the plus/minus stuff this early on.

Eh, that's a matter of perspective or definition of impact, I guess. To me Cade is absolutely showing he's the kind of impact player I had hoped he would be. Scoring 8 of the team's 10 points in his first NBA overtime game put that to rest. He could put up 25/9/7 every game on 48%/40% and if the rest of the team continues to perform the way they have it's not like even that stat line is going to start causing wins to pile up.

What I meant was we hope he’ll eventually be a guy who can get us to a WIN in some of those situations.

It’ll take time. The defensive lapses and bad shooting nights will hopefully come fewer and farther between. He’s still 20. Hence I said “yet”.

[vege]

Nobody on the team is going to have a good +/- in this stretch of games.

Those team-impacted advanced stats are always going to look bad on an awful team. Granted, Cade isn't the impact guy we hope he'll become (yet), but I wouldn't get too caught up in the plus/minus stuff this early on.

I agree. I added +/- which is not a good stat at all, to show how bad Bey has been, and his problem is way deeper than his 3 point shooting.

Killian Hayes +/- is almost as bad as Bey.

+/- fun fact for us is, Saben Lee is the only player so far that has positive +/- every month.

[Spider156]

Bey is not good enough to be a starter right now in my opinion. I think he can get there just from his rookie campaign and that’s strictly the 3 and D. But that is not what we’re developing him for. I think Bey can be a very solid first forward off the bench. I think guys like Jabari Smith can do exactly what Bey does but he’s longer and can guard the perimeter better. I think Paolo is more fit for our team at SF given his playmaking ability. I don’t think he’ll be a better 3 pt shooter than Bey but he can be better at midrange and defense and of course the post. All in all I think Bey can be a starter if he’s a fourth or fifth option like Danny Green was and focusing on 3 and D.

[bstein14]

Bey is not good enough to be a starter right now in my opinion. I think he can get there just from his rookie campaign and that’s strictly the 3 and D. But that is not what we’re developing him for. I think Bey can be a very solid first forward off the bench. I think guys like Jabari Smith can do exactly what Bey does but he’s longer and can guard the perimeter better. I think Paolo is more fit for our team at SF given his playmaking ability. I don’t think he’ll be a better 3 pt shooter than Bey but he can be better at midrange and defense and of course the post. All in all I think Bey can be a starter if he’s a fourth or fifth option like Danny Green was and focusing on 3 and D.

With Jerami Grant out right now though.... its basically Bey or Josh Jackson starting at the 4 for us.... or Trey Lyles but he has had his own issues. I think overall I was on board benching Bey before the Grant injury to let Diallo start at the 3 but now Grant is injured I think the best thing to do is likely just to ride it out with Bey until Grant/Olynyk come back or we make a trade that changes things a bit.

[Invictus88]

Granted, Cade isn't the impact guy we hope he'll become (yet), but I wouldn't get too caught up in the plus/minus stuff this early on.

Eh, that's a matter of perspective or definition of impact, I guess. To me Cade is absolutely showing he's the kind of impact player I had hoped he would be. Scoring 8 of the team's 10 points in his first NBA overtime game put that to rest. He could put up 25/9/7 every game on 48%/40% and if the rest of the team continues to perform the way they have it's not like even that stat line is going to start causing wins to pile up.

What I meant was we hope he’ll eventually be a guy who can get us to a WIN in some of those situations.

It’ll take time. The defensive lapses and bad shooting nights will hopefully come fewer and farther between. He’s still 20. Hence I said “yet”.

Value G FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 3P% FT% TS% USG% ORtg DRtg +/- MP PTS TRB AST
Player A 15 80 217 32 112 27 32 14 98 71 20 9 56 40 219 .369 .286 .844 .474 25.6 87 110 -8.7 32.2 14.6 6.5 4.7
Player B 15 96 240 14 39 46 63 22 101 92 15 12 55 29 252 .400 .359 .730 .471 23.8 94 104 -3.6 40.9 16.8 6.7 6.1

Player A is Cade Cunningham for the month of November in his rookie year. Player B is another fairly successful player in November of their rookie year...

Spoiler:

Lebron James

People really just need to calm down and let the kid play.

[Manocad]

What’s the fun in being patient? It’s much easier to just say Cade will have a career as a really good player after 20 games. Never as good as Mobley, who likely will be a HOFer. But really good nonetheless.

[440BB]

With Jerami Grant out right now though.... its basically Bey or Josh Jackson starting at the 4 for us.... or Trey Lyles but he has had his own issues. I think overall I was on board benching Bey before the Grant injury to let Diallo start at the 3 but now Grant is injured I think the best thing to do is likely just to ride it out with Bey until Grant/Olynyk come back or we make a trade that changes things a bit.

Livers may see some minutes at the 3 soon, especially if Bey continues to struggle. It sure would be handy to have Chris Smith healthy right now to see some time at the 4.

[zeebneeb]

With Jerami Grant out right now though.... its basically Bey or Josh Jackson starting at the 4 for us.... or Trey Lyles but he has had his own issues. I think overall I was on board benching Bey before the Grant injury to let Diallo start at the 3 but now Grant is injured I think the best thing to do is likely just to ride it out with Bey until Grant/Olynyk come back or we make a trade that changes things a bit.

Livers may see some minutes at the 3 soon, especially if Bey continues to struggle. It sure would be handy to have Chris Smith healthy right now to see some time at the 4.

I'm down to have every single player the Pistons have on the roster to hit the floor. The team is terrible, and the best way to find out of you've got something, is to actually scratch off the ticket, not leave it sitting in a drawer.

[vege]

Bey final stats for December are impressive, especially considering how he started the month

18 PPG 6 RPG 2.4 APG 36.6% 3PT

Cade stats were similar

17.8 PPG 5.6 RPG 6.3 APG 40.3% 3PT

Bey stats for January so far are mvp candidate level, too bad it's only 2 games.

27.5 PPG 12.5 RPG 3.5 APG 40% 3PT

[bstein14]

Franz won ROY for November, which is impressive for him to get it over Cade, Barnes, and Mobley.... but look at those number he put up he certainly deserved it.

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[DBC10]

Franz won ROY for November, which is impressive for him to get it over Cade, Barnes, and Mobley.... but look at those number he put up he certainly deserved it.

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I remember there being murmurs in the lead up to the draft that Wagner was rapidly rising (similar to how Pat Williams rose) and how good he looked with interviews and private workouts. I believe he grew to a legit 6'11 which might have pumped up the hype even more with a 7' reach. Looks like the scouts were right about Wagner rising with him putting up numbers last month

[vege]

Franz won ROY for November, which is impressive for him to get it over Cade, Barnes, and Mobley.... but look at those number he put up he certainly deserved it.

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His numbers for December

18.4 PPG 5.8 RPG 3.6 APG 42% 3PT

He is good.