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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#521 » by Muzbar » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:59 pm

prolific passer wrote:What do you all think about Bobby Portis this season? 15 and 9 off the bench for the bucks.

He's started 18 of his 22 games this year due to Lopez being out.

So his 15 and 9 is due to being a starter, but those are good numbers.

I always liked Bobby.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#522 » by thebizkit » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:39 pm

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thebizkit wrote:I'm still scratching my head over here why they aren't giving Marko a shot? I mean he can't really do much worse than Patrick Williams.


He probably isn't quick enough mentally in terms of defensive rotations, etc., coupled with being physically behind. Not to mention that he's a 2nd rounder and may simply not be talented enough to hang in the NBA.

Also, it's pretty clear - despite the constant state of quasi-denial we see by some folks on this forum - that Donovan is 100% committed to playing wing-sized players at the 4 to maximize mobility. Meaning Simonovic is behind not just Vuc but also Bradley and Alize Johnson at the 5... and Donovan would prefer to play the 6'5-6'6 Derrick Jones Jr. at the 5 over those guys, too.

I think that the super-small ball (especially when at the 5) is sorta nuts (minus stretches as a change of pace)... but I'm not the coach or GM, so my thoughts don't really matter...


I mean I get what he trying to do, but its not like DJJ or anyone else is all the productive either. If the argument is that those type of players make it easier for Zach, Ball and DeMar then I guess it is what it is.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#523 » by The Box Office » Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:21 pm

Christian Wood and Myles Turner are my realistic targets.
Followed by Brandon Clarke. Because he's super cheap to get if available. Shouldn't cost us Vuc.
Bobby Portis is my last option.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#524 » by sco » Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:48 pm

What worries me is that there is likely to be an arms race among the contenders for Woods, Grant, Simmons, Turner. I don't think we have the assets to beat out the likely acquirers. Pat, Coby and POR's 1st are all at low value assets right now.

That said, IMO, the goal should be to pick-up the acquirer's current PF (for a much lower cost).
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#525 » by Jcool0 » Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:41 pm

sco wrote:What worries me is that there is likely to be an arms race among the contenders for Woods, Grant, Simmons, Turner. I don't think we have the assets to beat out the likely acquirers. Pat, Coby and POR's 1st are all at low value assets right now.

That said, IMO, the goal should be to pick-up the acquirer's current PF (for a much lower cost).


If you are a NBA finals contender chances are you don't have many assets to trade. Teams that would be able to make moves are one looking to get into playoff contention. Lakers aren't getting anything for Malik Monk & Talen Horton-Tucker.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#526 » by sco » Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:46 pm

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sco wrote:What worries me is that there is likely to be an arms race among the contenders for Woods, Grant, Simmons, Turner. I don't think we have the assets to beat out the likely acquirers. Pat, Coby and POR's 1st are all at low value assets right now.

That said, IMO, the goal should be to pick-up the acquirer's current PF (for a much lower cost).


If you are a NBA finals contender chances are you don't have many assets to trade. Teams that would be able to make moves are one looking to get into playoff contention. Lakers aren't getting anything for Malik Monk & Talen Horton-Tucker.

OK sure, but that next tier of teams have more.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#527 » by prolific passer » Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:01 am

Who is the best free agent power forward(s) available?
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#528 » by Muzbar » Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:54 am

prolific passer wrote:Who is the best free agent power forward(s) available?

It's slim pickings...

Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
Ersan Ilyasova
JaKarr Sampson
Daniel Oturu
Mike Scott

Eh!
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#529 » by Almost Retired » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:44 pm

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prolific passer wrote:Who is the best free agent power forward(s) available?

It's slim pickings...

Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
Ersan Ilyasova
JaKarr Sampson
Daniel Oturu
Mike Scott

Eh!

I'd rather send Marko to work with Drew Hanlen at Pure Sweat Sports for 2 weeks to work exclusively on his "3" point stroke, especially those baseline "3"s that seem to be available often for whoever plays the "4" for us. Then throw him into the mix, let him learn via trial by fire. They threw PWill to the wolves pretty early and he gained a lot of experience, though he's still a work in progress.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#530 » by prolific passer » Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:31 pm

Bulls best option right now might be to sign the best power forward on the market and just play to the matchups. Use your small ball lineup against small ball teams and play your power forward against teams with legit and decent power forwards.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#531 » by sco » Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:00 pm

prolific passer wrote:Bulls best option right now might be to sign the best power forward on the market and just play to the matchups. Use your small ball lineup against small ball teams and play your power forward against teams with legit and decent power forwards.

IMO, we should cut Matt who isn't guaranteed and just start cycling through these guys on 10 day deals, once that process starts. When is Vonleh available from China?
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#532 » by imagge » Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:50 pm

I like the idea of trying go after Cam Reddish and play him at the 4...in a few years Cam/PWill will be a deadly interchangeable 3/4 combo
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Post#533 » by imagge » Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:51 pm

Also allows for the trade of Derozen in year 3 on his contract
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#534 » by prolific passer » Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:10 pm

sco wrote:
prolific passer wrote:Bulls best option right now might be to sign the best power forward on the market and just play to the matchups. Use your small ball lineup against small ball teams and play your power forward against teams with legit and decent power forwards.

IMO, we should cut Matt who isn't guaranteed and just start cycling through these guys on 10 day deals, once that process starts. When is Vonleh available from China?

As long as it helps them win.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#535 » by FriedRise » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:12 pm

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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#536 » by HomoSapien » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:17 pm

Covington seems like he'd be an ideal fit, but he hasn't put up good numbers in two seasons now. I'm wondering if he's just a bad fit with the Blazers or if he's experiencing an early decline.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#537 » by sco » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:35 pm

HomoSapien wrote:Covington seems like he'd be an ideal fit, but he hasn't put up good numbers in two seasons now. I'm wondering if he's just a bad fit with the Blazers or if he's experiencing an early decline.

I'm trying to figure out a deal for their pick back. RoCo may be enough, given the likelihood of it conveying this year, but then again, he's an expiring...which then again, may be what the FO wants. Here's a deal I'd do, that works $-wise.

RoCo,McLemore for TBJ, Alize, Marko and POR's 1st. We lose the 1st, but RoCo may be enough of a difference maker to help us to contend. McLemore may be a better Coby for us this season. Both are expiring, so it gives us flexibility next season. We also free-up a couple of roster spots for buyout guys, and get rid of Marko.

Would prefer Simmons or Little to McLemore if possible.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#538 » by HomoSapien » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:45 pm

sco wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:Covington seems like he'd be an ideal fit, but he hasn't put up good numbers in two seasons now. I'm wondering if he's just a bad fit with the Blazers or if he's experiencing an early decline.

I'm trying to figure out a deal for their pick back. RoCo may be enough, given the likelihood of it conveying this year, but then again, he's an expiring...which then again, may be what the FO wants. Here's a deal I'd do, that works $-wise.

RoCo,McLemore for TBJ, Alize, Marko and POR's 1st. We lose the 1st, but RoCo may be enough of a difference maker to help us to contend. McLemore may be a better Coby for us this season. Both are expiring, so it gives us flexibility next season. We also free-up a couple of roster spots for buyout guys, and get rid of Marko.

Would prefer Simmons or Little to McLemore if possible.


I keep trying to talk myself into something like this, but keep bumping up against why Portland would trade assets for their pick back. If they decide to embrace a rebuild, then they don't need to trade for the pick back. Covington also seems to have crazy trade value whenever he's available (although might be less now), so there's a good chance someone else would be willing to give back a middling or late first for him and then they could play the odds of missing the playoffs and retaining their pick.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#539 » by sco » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:57 pm

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HomoSapien wrote:Covington seems like he'd be an ideal fit, but he hasn't put up good numbers in two seasons now. I'm wondering if he's just a bad fit with the Blazers or if he's experiencing an early decline.

I'm trying to figure out a deal for their pick back. RoCo may be enough, given the likelihood of it conveying this year, but then again, he's an expiring...which then again, may be what the FO wants. Here's a deal I'd do, that works $-wise.

RoCo,McLemore for TBJ, Alize, Marko and POR's 1st. We lose the 1st, but RoCo may be enough of a difference maker to help us to contend. McLemore may be a better Coby for us this season. Both are expiring, so it gives us flexibility next season. We also free-up a couple of roster spots for buyout guys, and get rid of Marko.

Would prefer Simmons or Little to McLemore if possible.


I keep trying to talk myself into something like this, but keep bumping up against why Portland would trade assets for their pick back. If they decide to embrace a rebuild, then they don't need to trade for the pick back. Covington also seems to have crazy trade value whenever he's available (although might be less now), so there's a good chance someone else would be willing to give back a middling or late first for him and then they could play the odds of missing the playoffs and retaining their pick.

The only way POR cares about it's pick in this deal, is if they need it (maybe unprotected) for a bigger deal, like say for Grant.

fyi - just saw this...LOL

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bulls-trade-rumors-could-robert-194728578.html
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#540 » by Chi town » Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:37 pm

I like Brandon Clarke as our backup 5 and starting 4 until PW comes back.

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