BREAKING WOJ: Evan Fournier 4 years, 78 million (Team-Option)

[god shammgod]

what is this board if we aren't spiteful and petty

I will allow it!

it's all we got. we don't have a team to enjoy.

[DOT]

the kemba thread is actually the best thread. folks were really talking crazy in that one. lol

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2112794

Yeah, I really thought Kemba was gonna be good for us

But I think I nailed this:

Read on Twitter

With Kemba, I'm pretty fine with the offseason now

But I'm getting big "they're saying us and Golden State are the superteams" energy from stuff like that SportsCenter tweet.

[god shammgod]

the kemba thread is actually the best thread. folks were really talking crazy in that one. lol

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2112794

Yeah, I really thought Kemba was gonna be good for us

But I think I nailed this:

Read on Twitter

With Kemba, I'm pretty fine with the offseason now

But I'm getting big "they're saying us and Golden State are the superteams" energy from stuff like that SportsCenter tweet.

it is that energy

it's all very childish to do this of course. but this one seemed obvious to me and i was dumbfounded at how many people felt really positive about it. aggressively so. i had people who always liked me on here tell me basically they don't like me anymore for saying this was bad.

[DOT]

it is that energy

it's all very childish to do this of course. but this one seemed obvious to me and i was dumbfounded at how many people felt really positive about it. aggressively so. i had people who always liked me on here tell me basically they don't like me anymore for saying this was bad.

Yeah, pretty childish, especially since Fournier has been much better in the past, and we're not halfway through season 1 with him

Of course, even if he does return to form, it's still an overpay, especially if Randle doesn't get back to last year's level, but you'd be able to move him, and the last year is at least non-guaranteed

I think a lot of us, myself included, thought that guys were gonna at least stay as good as they were last year (mostly Randle and RJ, but to a lesser extent Mitch and Quick too), but really only Obi has taken a step forward, everyone else has regressed. So I can still defend being positive about it at the time, but with hindsight, it was pretty bad

At least with Kemba, Noel, and Burks, they're expirings next year. Rose too, but he's actually playing well.

[god shammgod]

it is that energy

it's all very childish to do this of course. but this one seemed obvious to me and i was dumbfounded at how many people felt really positive about it. aggressively so. i had people who always liked me on here tell me basically they don't like me anymore for saying this was bad.

Yeah, pretty childish, especially since Fournier has been much better in the past, and we're not halfway through season 1 with him

Of course, even if he does return to form, it's still an overpay, especially if Randle doesn't get back to last year's level, but you'd be able to move him, and the last year is at least non-guaranteed

I think a lot of us, myself included, thought that guys were gonna at least stay as good as they were last year (mostly Randle and RJ, but to a lesser extent Mitch and Quick too), but really only Obi has taken a step forward, everyone else has regressed. So I can still defend being positive about it at the time, but with hindsight, it was pretty bad

At least with Kemba, Noel, and Burks, they're expirings next year. Rose too, but he's actually playing well.

my thing has always been that there's an order for how you put a team together. and you don't start paying a lot of role players until you have the main pieces you're building around. i can't see how anyone watched the playoffs last year and could think we definitely had them already. so even if kemba and fournier were just ok and not terrible, it would still have been a mistake to me.

[DOT]

my thing has always been that there's an order for how you put a team together. and you don't start paying a lot of role players until you have the main pieces you're building around. i can't see how anyone watched the playoffs last year and could think we definitely had them already. so even if kemba and fournier were just ok and not terrible, it would still have been a mistake to me.

I don't disagree with that, but there is an argument that being just good but making the playoffs is enticing for star players, either for them to force a trade or to sign with you outright

Like, the Nets went from 20 to 28 to 42 wins, lost in 5 in the first round, and Kyrie and KD still wanted to go there

Clippers haven't been great either, but Kawhi and PG wanted to team up there

You can also argue that if the moves had worked out to them just being okay, that's still assets we could use to trade for Dame, for example, or guys to surround him with, or to get another star to pair with him. More valuable than raw cap space

I think that's what the plan was, and it has failed miserably so far. The hope was, Randle would still be Randle, and RJ would take that next step, but that isn't happening

I'll still be optimistic about things, I'll still root for the young guys to grow and say, you never know what's gonna happen, who's gonna be available tomorrow, but it's a lot of luck and we're not really putting ourselves in a premium position to make luck.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

It's going to cost us RJ just to dump this dude's contract

Fournier avg 20ppg for Orl last yr, yall buggin

He is basically our ATL Boggy

He's a terrible defender, and unlike the Hawks we don't have Hunter/Reddish to throw at wing players. He's also a awful playoff performer over his career (11ppg, 35% FG 30% 3FG)


We're now asking RJ to be our lone perimeter defender in the starting 5.

[DaGawd]

This is one of the worst free agencies in recent memory… and that’s saying something

I didn’t wanna be right dammit

[spree8]

the kemba thread is actually the best thread. folks were really talking crazy in that one. lol

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2112794

I know I did. I thought Kemba’s knees weren’t as bad as advertised because some quack doctor on the internet said he was ok

[DaGawd]

In hindsight.. if Perry actually wanted Derozan that would’ve been a lowkey solid move.. he might be better than Randle still at this point and the offense wouldn’t be so Randlecentric

[Chanel Bomber]

In hindsight.. if Perry actually wanted Derozan that would’ve been a lowkey solid move.. he might be better than Randle still at this point and the offense wouldn’t be so Randlecentric

I'm not mad at us for passing on DeRozan tbh. I don't know that he would've had the same level of impact on this team. I don't necessarily think it'd have been a good move.

I'm mad at us for signing Fournier. That move was substraction by addition.

[JBreezeNY]

my thing has always been that there's an order for how you put a team together. and you don't start paying a lot of role players until you have the main pieces you're building around. i can't see how anyone watched the playoffs last year and could think we definitely had them already. so even if kemba and fournier were just ok and not terrible, it would still have been a mistake to me.

I don't disagree with that, but there is an argument that being just good but making the playoffs is enticing for star players, either for them to force a trade or to sign with you outright

Like, the Nets went from 20 to 28 to 42 wins, lost in 5 in the first round, and Kyrie and KD still wanted to go there

Clippers haven't been great either, but Kawhi and PG wanted to team up there

You can also argue that if the moves had worked out to them just being okay, that's still assets we could use to trade for Dame, for example, or guys to surround him with, or to get another star to pair with him. More valuable than raw cap space

I think that's what the plan was, and it has failed miserably so far. The hope was, Randle would still be Randle, and RJ would take that next step, but that isn't happening

I'll still be optimistic about things, I'll still root for the young guys to grow and say, you never know what's gonna happen, who's gonna be available tomorrow, but it's a lot of luck and we're not really putting ourselves in a premium position to make luck.

All of what you’re saying only happens if the players want to go there.

Nobody wants to truly come here, it’s that simple.

The Knicks require too much of being a savior and having intense hate come your way when things don’t go right, for players to come here by themselves.

Once everybody can process and accept that truth then folks on here should’ve been outraged when the signs were clear that Randle was gonna be re-signed and built around but I just mind my business.

[bearadonisdna]

Thibs mind conditioning :
Got people wishing for bullocks .
Had me for a minute but I realize it’s Reggie fn bullocks .
Even looking at stats still almost had me but Reggie had a minus BPM.
He was a net negative player .

Forget that .

[G_K_F]

what is this board if we aren't spiteful and petty

I will allow it!

Here's the thing, though -

Is it spiteful and petty when certain people are so flagrant with their opinions and belittling your own in the process? There are plenty of people who act like dicks and know it alls when posting, trying to make you look like a hater and an idiot for disagreeing. I think if that's your approach to posting then you deserve the backlash when your "genius" ideas fail miserably. Some people need humble pie.

[G_K_F]

Magic fan here guys. I hate this signing. I was really happy when we got rid of Fournier (it took us so long...)
He plays no defense at all, he only cares about shooting and taking difficult and stupid shots.
Is he an excellent shooter? Yes, he is. But he absolutely lacks criteria.

He's not a leader in and off the court, he's the definition of a chucker.
The best thing I can wish to you is that I hope you trade him asap.

This man tried to warn us!

[mpharris36]

what is this board if we aren't spiteful and petty

I will allow it!

Here's the thing, though -

Is it spiteful and petty when certain people are so flagrant with their opinions and belittling your own in the process? There are plenty of people who act like dicks and know it alls when posting, trying to make you look like a hater and an idiot for disagreeing. I think if that's your approach to posting then you deserve the backlash when your "genius" ideas fail miserably. Some people need humble pie.

for sure, this place can be very toxic. But at this point you just have to get some enjoyment out of it because the Knicks aren't giving us anything.

[NYKinMIA]

We was robbed.

[HEZI]

It's going to cost us RJ just to dump this dude's contract

Fournier avg 20ppg for Orl last yr, yall buggin

He is basically our ATL Boggy

He's a terrible defender, and unlike the Hawks we don't have Hunter/Reddish to throw at wing players. He's also a awful playoff performer over his career (11ppg, 35% FG 30% 3FG)


We're now asking RJ to be our lone perimeter defender in the starting 5.

Oof

[Richard4444]

In hindsight.. if Perry actually wanted Derozan that would’ve been a lowkey solid move.. he might be better than Randle still at this point and the offense wouldn’t be so Randlecentric

I'm not mad at us for passing on DeRozan tbh. I don't know that he would've had the same level of impact on this team. I don't necessarily think it'd have been a good move.

I'm mad at us for signing Fournier. That move was substraction by addition.

DeRozan would not have the same space he gets in Chicago in a Knicks starting team. Instead of Lonzo, Lavine, Vuc, Caruso, he would play with no reliable 3 pt threat in Randle, Mitch/Noel, RJ, and whatever PG we could get with no Cap Space left. Maybe the plan was to bring Payton back for the MLE.

[Knox]

In hindsight.. if Perry actually wanted Derozan that would’ve been a lowkey solid move.. he might be better than Randle still at this point and the offense wouldn’t be so Randlecentric

I'm not mad at us for passing on DeRozan tbh. I don't know that he would've had the same level of impact on this team. I don't necessarily think it'd have been a good move.

I'm mad at us for signing Fournier. That move was substraction by addition.

[gfycat][/gfycat]

DeRozan would not have the same space he gets in Chicago in a Knicks starting team. Instead of Lonzo, Lavine, Vuc, Caruso, he would play with no reliable 3 pt threat in Randle, Mitch/Noel, RJ, and whatever PG we could get with no Cap Space left. Maybe the plan was to bring Payton back for the MLE.

Instead of chasing Simmons we could of got Lonzo for cheap. He isn’t Simmons but he does his part