Bulls Covid related stuff: Everyone out but Caruso who just entered

[Clint Eastwood]

The world has lost its mind and forgotten its original purpose. Vaccinating everyone is designed to make this disease less dangerous. It never was going to completely prevent disease. Now that everyone vaccinated is at very low risk for severe disease, why are we taking any precautions at all? Why do you need to sit out 10 days if you test positive? With influenza, this was never done and a vaccinated covid patient is similar to an unvaccinated influenza patient. And we don’t go around testing all people for influenza. I suspect that in years past, if we tested for influenza like we test for covid, we would have just as many people out and the whole league would have to shut down.

[kodo]

Was watching ESPN. Woj said that teams weren't testing vax'ed players unless someone on the team was in COVID protocol (which is what was agreed to with the PA).

Looks like they're changing the definition of "fully vaccinated" to include the booster which should help w/ omicron starting Dec 17th.
If they weren't testing "fully vaccinated" meaning 2 doses, that means they weren't testing anyone before since that's 97% of the NBA players.

[Chi town]

Was watching ESPN. Woj said that teams weren't testing vax'ed players unless someone on the team was in COVID protocol (which is what was agreed to with the PA).

Looks like they're changing the definition of "fully vaccinated" to include the booster which should help w/ omicron starting Dec 17th.
If they weren't testing "fully vaccinated" meaning 2 doses, that means they weren't testing anyone before since that's 97% of the NBA players.

Exactly. That doesn't make any sense.

How does someone get into protocols if they haven't been tested?

[r1terrell23]

The world has lost its mind and forgotten its original purpose. Vaccinating everyone is designed to make this disease less dangerous. It never was going to completely prevent disease. Now that everyone vaccinated is at very low risk for severe disease, why are we taking any precautions at all? Why do you need to sit out 10 days if you test positive? With influenza, this was never done and a vaccinated covid patient is similar to an unvaccinated influenza patient. And we don’t go around testing all people for influenza. I suspect that in years past, if we tested for influenza like we test for covid, we would have just as many people out and the whole league would have to shut down.

Because of the variants. We are still gathering data about Covid and treatment for it. No one wants to be the guy that gets the Theta variant and goes into cardiac arrest on the court.

[samwana]

The world has lost its mind and forgotten its original purpose. Vaccinating everyone is designed to make this disease less dangerous. It never was going to completely prevent disease. Now that everyone vaccinated is at very low risk for severe disease, why are we taking any precautions at all? Why do you need to sit out 10 days if you test positive? With influenza, this was never done and a vaccinated covid patient is similar to an unvaccinated influenza patient. And we don’t go around testing all people for influenza. I suspect that in years past, if we tested for influenza like we test for covid, we would have just as many people out and the whole league would have to shut down.

Because of the variants. We are still gathering data about Covid and treatment for it. No one wants to be the guy that gets the Theta variant and goes into cardiac arrest on the court.

no one wants to go in cardiac arrest because of a medical treatment that doesn't seem to do much good. or get a collapsed lung out of it.

If you really want to argue about misinformation around COVID go to the CA forum where they will also likely not allow it

[madvillian]

The world has lost its mind and forgotten its original purpose. Vaccinating everyone is designed to make this disease less dangerous. It never was going to completely prevent disease. Now that everyone vaccinated is at very low risk for severe disease, why are we taking any precautions at all? Why do you need to sit out 10 days if you test positive? With influenza, this was never done and a vaccinated covid patient is similar to an unvaccinated influenza patient. And we don’t go around testing all people for influenza. I suspect that in years past, if we tested for influenza like we test for covid, we would have just as many people out and the whole league would have to shut down.

The media has done a horrible job reporting on severity of illness (or lack thereof) with vaccinated cases and instead focuses on positive tests. I could bitch and moan about this for days honestly but whatever "get the shot and it turns into a cold for 99.9%" of cases doesn't sell as many clicks as "breakthrough cases rampaging through ____"

I just hope the Bulls can play basketball without this interfering the rest of the year. A foolish hope I know.

[FriedRise]

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[kodo]

Omicron is in the NBA. It really seemed like it given how fast it was spreading among fully vaccinated healthy young adults.

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[dice]

The world has lost its mind and forgotten its original purpose. Vaccinating everyone is designed to make this disease less dangerous. It never was going to completely prevent disease. Now that everyone vaccinated is at very low risk for severe disease, why are we taking any precautions at all? Why do you need to sit out 10 days if you test positive? With influenza, this was never done and a vaccinated covid patient is similar to an unvaccinated influenza patient. And we don’t go around testing all people for influenza. I suspect that in years past, if we tested for influenza like we test for covid, we would have just as many people out and the whole league would have to shut down.

Because of the variants. We are still gathering data about Covid and treatment for it. No one wants to be the guy that gets the Theta variant and goes into cardiac arrest on the court.

no one wants to go in cardiac arrest because of a medical treatment that doesn't seem to do much good. or get a collapsed lung out of it.

huh?

the reality is that COVID-19 is still killing way more people than the flu does. it's not about the health of the vaccinated. it's about limiting the spread. now, if someone wants to say that we shouldn't be bending over backwards to protect the unvaccinated at this point, i'm personally fine with that POV

[ch434355]

The world has lost its mind and forgotten its original purpose. Vaccinating everyone is designed to make this disease less dangerous. It never was going to completely prevent disease. Now that everyone vaccinated is at very low risk for severe disease, why are we taking any precautions at all? Why do you need to sit out 10 days if you test positive? With influenza, this was never done and a vaccinated covid patient is similar to an unvaccinated influenza patient. And we don’t go around testing all people for influenza. I suspect that in years past, if we tested for influenza like we test for covid, we would have just as many people out and the whole league would have to shut down.

Because of the variants. We are still gathering data about Covid and treatment for it. No one wants to be the guy that gets the Theta variant and goes into cardiac arrest on the court.

no one wants to go in cardiac arrest because of a medical treatment that doesn't seem to do much good. or get a collapsed lung out of it.

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You fall for a lot of bs on the internet

[BeatDaCavs420]

Dude I miss Bulls basketball! Covid sucks!!!

[dougthonus]

The world has lost its mind and forgotten its original purpose. Vaccinating everyone is designed to make this disease less dangerous. It never was going to completely prevent disease.

Well vaccines are generally designed to prevent disease not make it less dangerous, so I don't know that this is true in terms of intention. I think they created the best vaccine they could and hoped for prevention and if not hoped for lessening of severity. Certainly one of the big goals would be to lower contagiousness though.

Either way, neither here nor there really, but it surprises me when people say "the goal was to lower severity", I mean the goal was certainly to help the situation and lowering severity does this, but absolutely there was a hope for full on long term prevention even if it didn't work out that way.

Now that everyone vaccinated is at very low risk for severe disease, why are we taking any precautions at all? Why do you need to sit out 10 days if you test positive? With influenza, this was never done and a vaccinated covid patient is similar to an unvaccinated influenza patient. And we don’t go around testing all people for influenza. I suspect that in years past, if we tested for influenza like we test for covid, we would have just as many people out and the whole league would have to shut down.

In regards to what the NBA should do, I think it's an interesting discussion because of the level of contagiousness (much more than flu) combined with the level of deadliness (also much more than flu) people are taking it more seriously. There are certainly questions around who would be liable if an NBA player dies from COVID after the league decided NOT to implement any COVID protocols. Seems highly likely that in such a scenario the league would get sued for potentially billions of dollars. Especially after they had COVID protocols and removed them.

Heck, a superstar player that passed away could have his family sue for a billion dollars in lost earnings without even getting into punitive damages.

There's some pretty significant legal uncertainty that I think drives the league's decision making even if we were all to agree with your philosophical point.

I think you'd need to get the players union to heavily back removing all of this stuff and do some legal sign off, but even then, we've now seen this spread to announcers, staffers, people whom are at much higher risk. I'm sure he'll probably be fine because even the vast majority of high risk people are fine (like high risk people are still fine like 90-95% of the time), but Stacey King probably weighs 300 lbs and is 54 years old. You got a decent chunk of other older media guys, head coaches, assistants, and other people around the NBA required for the NBA to run that aren't high caliber athletes in their primes too.

I'm sort of with you in thinking that you need to find a way to just move on from treating this like some thing we need to manage beyond a normal illness, and maybe part of that is requiring boosters every 6 months to a year, but we struggled with a huge amount of the populace to convince them to get the original vaccine let alone boosters.

[HomoSapien]

The world has lost its mind and forgotten its original purpose. Vaccinating everyone is designed to make this disease less dangerous. It never was going to completely prevent disease.

Well vaccines are generally designed to prevent disease not make it less dangerous, so I don't know that this is true in terms of intention.

I don’t think that’s correct. Generally speaking, small pox is considered to be the only disease that’s ever been fully eradicated.

[Jo Jo English]

no one wants to go in cardiac arrest because of a medical treatment that doesn't seem to do much good. or get a collapsed lung out of it.

No one wants to see folks fall into misinformation traps like this either. There is a lot we are all going to learn about this before it is all said and done, whenever that is, but what you have been following is not it. Sorry.

[Mk0]

It feels like I haven't seen this team play in a month.

[dougthonus]

It feels like I haven't seen this team play in a month.

I know, it's funny because if this were anytime in the past four years, it wouldn't matter so much, but I find myself looking forward to every game now as a positive fun experience in my life.

[TheFinishSniper]

It feels like I haven't seen this team play in a month.

It's been long time. And Bulls still had Rose and Jimmy Butler back then.

[FriedRise]

It feels like I haven't seen this team play in a month.

It's felt longer than just this week because the last time we played with a functioning roster, December just started. So it's really been two weeks of this crap.

[Michael Jackson]

The world has lost its mind and forgotten its original purpose. Vaccinating everyone is designed to make this disease less dangerous. It never was going to completely prevent disease.

Well vaccines are generally designed to prevent disease not make it less dangerous, so I don't know that this is true in terms of intention. I think they created the best vaccine they could and hoped for prevention and if not hoped for lessening of severity. Certainly one of the big goals would be to lower contagiousness though.

Either way, neither here nor there really, but it surprises me when people say "the goal was to lower severity", I mean the goal was certainly to help the situation and lowering severity does this, but absolutely there was a hope for full on long term prevention even if it didn't work out that way.

Now that everyone vaccinated is at very low risk for severe disease, why are we taking any precautions at all? Why do you need to sit out 10 days if you test positive? With influenza, this was never done and a vaccinated covid patient is similar to an unvaccinated influenza patient. And we don’t go around testing all people for influenza. I suspect that in years past, if we tested for influenza like we test for covid, we would have just as many people out and the whole league would have to shut down.

In regards to what the NBA should do, I think it's an interesting discussion because of the level of contagiousness (much more than flu) combined with the level of deadliness (also much more than flu) people are taking it more seriously. There are certainly questions around who would be liable if an NBA player dies from COVID after the league decided NOT to implement any COVID protocols. Seems highly likely that in such a scenario the league would get sued for potentially billions of dollars. Especially after they had COVID protocols and removed them.

Heck, a superstar player that passed away could have his family sue for a billion dollars in lost earnings without even getting into punitive damages.

There's some pretty significant legal uncertainty that I think drives the league's decision making even if we were all to agree with your philosophical point.

I think you'd need to get the players union to heavily back removing all of this stuff and do some legal sign off, but even then, we've now seen this spread to announcers, staffers, people whom are at much higher risk. I'm sure he'll probably be fine because even the vast majority of high risk people are fine (like high risk people are still fine like 90-95% of the time), but Stacey King probably weighs 300 lbs and is 54 years old. You got a decent chunk of other older media guys, head coaches, assistants, and other people around the NBA required for the NBA to run that aren't high caliber athletes in their primes too.

I'm sort of with you in thinking that you need to find a way to just move on from treating this like some thing we need to manage beyond a normal illness, and maybe part of that is requiring boosters every 6 months to a year, but we struggled with a huge amount of the populace to convince them to get the original vaccine let alone boosters.

I would say that the legal uncertainty is the biggest part of it. There is never a zero risk for death really doing anything, but there are precedents for a lot of things that could happen (ie some bus or plane accident or some other random act). Covid requires a whole new set of rules in place moving forward, more than the Flu does, simply because it is new and the huge impact it had. Now not saying we aren’t getting closer to where it may be treated like the influenza in the long run, but until liability precedent is established don’t expect any major industry to not be maybe uneven in how they handle things.

I think that well obviously there are many feelings about Covid but with the businesses trying to push the limits, it’s because they all got hurt in the shut down. Some thrived, some closed and some are hanging on by a thread. Navigating through that part is a little tough because you can generally mess with a lot but not someone’s cash.

[samwana]

no one wants to go in cardiac arrest because of a medical treatment that doesn't seem to do much good. or get a collapsed lung out of it.

No one wants to see folks fall into misinformation traps like this either. There is a lot we are all going to learn about this before it is all said and done, whenever that is, but what you have been following is not it. Sorry.

ah very nice answer. thanks a lot that you care to tell me my knowledge is not it. not that i care about that really tbh.


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