Bears talk 2.0; Fields era begins for real for real

[Susan]

Would you trade both Mack & Quinn this offseason? We could probably get a 2nd for each

Depends on the head coach they bring in.

You've got 4 years with Fields on a rookie contract, there's enough money to revamp the WR room - they would have a ton of wasted cap space getting rid of those two and a great deal of production as well. That's a lot just for a second round pick.

[MalagaBulls]

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[Dresden]

2nd huge nationally televised game where a bogus call totally steals our momentum!!!

That muffed punt call when they flagged that Vildor guy for out of bounds. Huge call.
We get turnover, we're on like their 20 with a chance to cut score to 3.

You're gonna beat GB in GB, you're gonna need luck like this. We got it and the refs took it away.


Same deal with the Cassius Marsh taunting call in Pitt.
We were just about to seize momentum. Huge call the negates us getting the ball back.


Hard enough for as rookie QB to win on the road. Refs have killed us with 2 huge calls.
We get W's in those 2 games - over GB and PIT - on the road - we're sitting at 6-7.
WAS is in the playoffs right now at 6-7.....

If we had beat that Lamar-less Ravens squad a couple of weeks ago.....


He's still 2 years younger than Wilson was as a rookie QB

Payton Manning was 3-13 and had more INT's than TD's as a rookie.

Rodgers was 6-10 his first full year as a QB after sitting behind Farve for 3 years

Rough season but the kid is hanging in there tough. I'm impressed.
These 2 bogus calls really have killed what could have been some momentum building.

I doubt we would have won the game anyway, but you're right, that was a huge call, and a pretty questionable one.

[Dresden]

he is an impact player. Whenever he touches the ball he is capable of making a big play.

I disagree, He was traded for potato chips. He has made some plays on a bad team. On a good team, I doubt he sees the field on offense much. He is 5'6" and like 160lbs. He is also 29 years old, not some rookie.

I guess time will tell who predicted better. He will be 4th/5th receiver on any halfway decent team and an ok returner with a few bone headed plays/fumbles.

You might be right, but he just looks electric with the ball in his hands. Esp. on these trick plays. I think he was our leading receiver two weeks ago, and he broke two big plays last night. Maybe not an every down WR, but someone to utilized here and there and find different ways to get him the ball, a bit like Cordarelle.

[micromonkey]

Obviously my run the ball 30+ times went unheeded--the big killers IMO were the 2nd and 5 and 2nd and 4 (after 5/6 yard runs) where they went straight to pass. Pick six and strip fumble on the ensuing passes. I was screaming at the TV to run again before the mishaps--yes its monday morning but I was calling it before and during the game--Run the F in ball. Again to be clear the pick 6 is Fields totally 200%--locked in--BUT the coaches job is to call the right play for the team. Outside Fields we had 50 yards rushing--you can't build play action off that. You run and get a few and either 1st down or 3rd and short. You burn clock and you make them honor the run. Pack knew they could blitz like crazy because Nagy wasn't going to run. There were other less dramatic 2nd and 5ish where another run would have been warranted. We needed to turn at least 15 passes into runs last night plain and simple.

Nagy thinks he's Bill Walsh-Peak 49ers who COULD pass to establish the run. Nagy is no Walsh and we are no dynasty 49ers. But Nagy keeps smashing his head against the bricks expecting something different, shuffling QBs and everything else instead of addressing it at a higher level.

I mean maybe Tom Brady can release it quick enough last night--but even that was a maybe--too many times there was barely 2 seconds to pass--I want to see the stat--but it was horrible. Also rookie OL--let them run block and maul--get on offensive. Jenkins had a bunch of penalties--again put him in a situation to use size/strength and build confidence--not sit back and get beat on pass blocking.

When you had a near Hester-like performance from Grant--and he got what--1 run (which after he got 5 we gave up on--not like he got stuffed--but hey not a TD so didn't work?). And 1 catch for a TD--how could you not use him more the whole game? A++ to the special teams-- wasted effort. Grant gets a perfect score last night--it was his night and he was balling--only Nagy would not get him more involved and more touches. Its clear not much was working--we should have see about 5-6 plays at least where the ball gets into Grants hands--reverse/screen, etc.

I knew GB would adjust and play better in the half--and we'd get worse--its as sure as death and taxes. What more can be said--we all know all of this and we beat it to death every week? When can it just end? When do we think Nagy is going to ruin Fields (however good he may be)? Kid needs work for sure but I liked how he came back with that nicely times pass to Byrd for TD right after--no Cutler meltdown 5 INT fest. Last INT mattered less than the FG we kicked to give us 30.

When you look at cap and talent--we are hosed--its gotta be a gut rehab--everything must go!

[micromonkey]

he is an impact player. Whenever he touches the ball he is capable of making a big play.

I disagree, He was traded for potato chips. He has made some plays on a bad team. On a good team, I doubt he sees the field on offense much. He is 5'6" and like 160lbs. He is also 29 years old, not some rookie.

I guess time will tell who predicted better. He will be 4th/5th receiver on any halfway decent team and an ok returner with a few bone headed plays/fumbles.

You might be right, but he just looks electric with the ball in his hands. Esp. on these trick plays. I think he was our leading receiver two weeks ago, and he broke two big plays last night. Maybe not an every down WR, but someone to utilized here and there and find different ways to get him the ball, a bit like Cordarelle.

Yeah but for whatever reason he was on last night--maybe he never plays that well again--but he was hot last night--ride the hot hand IMO. Long term--of course no guarantee he can do it repeatedly. Even Hester wasn't great on regular offense. But for whatever reason--it seemed to be his night--he was juiced and I think you try and see what you can get. And honestly--who was playing that great-what were the great play calls? Even if they end up doing nothing getting 5 or so more plays for him likely only helps.

[Dresden]

I disagree, He was traded for potato chips. He has made some plays on a bad team. On a good team, I doubt he sees the field on offense much. He is 5'6" and like 160lbs. He is also 29 years old, not some rookie.

I guess time will tell who predicted better. He will be 4th/5th receiver on any halfway decent team and an ok returner with a few bone headed plays/fumbles.

You might be right, but he just looks electric with the ball in his hands. Esp. on these trick plays. I think he was our leading receiver two weeks ago, and he broke two big plays last night. Maybe not an every down WR, but someone to utilized here and there and find different ways to get him the ball, a bit like Cordarelle.

Yeah but for whatever reason he was on last night--maybe he never plays that well again--but he was hot last night--ride the hot hand IMO. Long term--of course no guarantee he can do it repeatedly. Even Hester wasn't great on regular offense. But for whatever reason--it seemed to be his night--he was juiced and I think you try and see what you can get. And honestly--who was playing that great-what were the great play calls? Even if they end up doing nothing getting 5 or so more plays for him likely only helps.

I noticed that kind of burst from him when he's used in the offense for several games now- so it wasn't just that he was on last night. The plays broke big last night, but even when his gains are more modest, you can just see he's got the kind of burst and ability to break tackles that guys like Tyreke Hill have. I think they said his punt return achieved the highest speed by a Bears player all season, or something like that.

[micromonkey]

Spoiler:

You might be right, but he just looks electric with the ball in his hands. Esp. on these trick plays. I think he was our leading receiver two weeks ago, and he broke two big plays last night. Maybe not an every down WR, but someone to utilized here and there and find different ways to get him the ball, a bit like Cordarelle.

Yeah but for whatever reason he was on last night--maybe he never plays that well again--but he was hot last night--ride the hot hand IMO. Long term--of course no guarantee he can do it repeatedly. Even Hester wasn't great on regular offense. But for whatever reason--it seemed to be his night--he was juiced and I think you try and see what you can get. And honestly--who was playing that great-what were the great play calls? Even if they end up doing nothing getting 5 or so more plays for him likely only helps.

I noticed that kind of burst from him when he's used in the offense for several games now- so it wasn't just that he was on last night. The plays broke big last night, but even when his gains are more modest, you can just see he's got the kind of burst and ability to break tackles that guys like Tyreke Hill have. I think they said his punt return achieved the highest speed by a Bears player all season, or something like that.

He definitely gets to speed quickly--and top speed seems insane--but unlike longer stride guys who take a while to hit speed he's like a video game--its on very quick.

[Susan]

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He was really evasive and ran smart last night (outside of one play where Clark got him but nothing clean). There was a bit of pushing too hard from him last night but overall his pocket awareness is looking better and better.

[fleet]

Tony Dungy says Fields should've started Week 1

“I'm a firm believer that you take these young quarterbacks now and you get them involved,” Dungy said on the podcast. “Get them in the lineup and get them playing. I know Coach Nagy came from the Kansas City system where Patrick Mahomes sat for a year and he's played great since then, so that was kind of his thought process. But I just feel like we don't know how great一 Patrick Mahomes might be even better had he played that first year. I don't know.”

“When I got to Indianapolis, Peyton Manning had played for four years,” Dungy said. “He told me that that first year was invaluable. Yes, he set a record for rookie interceptions and they only won three games. But he learned so much more than he would have watching another player play. And I think that's that's important. When you get a great player and they're mentally tough, and those interceptions and those losses aren't going to hurt them in the long run, they learned. So I would have preferred to see Justin out there from day one, learning and getting in that process.”

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-justin-fields-shouldve-been-qb1-week-1-tony-dungy

[CaPiTanAK]

Tony Dungy says Fields should've started Week 1

“I'm a firm believer that you take these young quarterbacks now and you get them involved,” Dungy said on the podcast. “Get them in the lineup and get them playing. I know Coach Nagy came from the Kansas City system where Patrick Mahomes sat for a year and he's played great since then, so that was kind of his thought process. But I just feel like we don't know how great一 Patrick Mahomes might be even better had he played that first year. I don't know.”

“When I got to Indianapolis, Peyton Manning had played for four years,” Dungy said. “He told me that that first year was invaluable. Yes, he set a record for rookie interceptions and they only won three games. But he learned so much more than he would have watching another player play. And I think that's that's important. When you get a great player and they're mentally tough, and those interceptions and those losses aren't going to hurt them in the long run, they learned. So I would have preferred to see Justin out there from day one, learning and getting in that process.”

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-justin-fields-shouldve-been-qb1-week-1-tony-dungy

I’m a firm believer that great ones will become great ones regardless of their environment. So if JF is the one, he will not break but come out stronger from this year trial by fire.

Can’t wait until these duo Bozos Pace and Naggy get out of town.

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[Dresden]

Everyone has an opinion on starting rookies at QB. You can look at Peyton Manning and say that experience only made him better. What you don't know is if there were Peyton Mannings out there that got thrown into the fire their rookie years, floundered, and never got over it and washed out of the league. Right now, the fashion seems to be to put them out there. It didn't use to be that way, and I've heard interviews with great QB's from the past who have said that year or two on the bench learning was also invaluable. So who knows. I dont fault Nagy for making the decision he made- he was trying to save his job and get to the playoffs this year, and he thought Dalton was the best choice for that.

[MalagaBulls]

It's pretty telling how inept the FO is when Urban Meyer gets canned after only 13 games. Here we are in our 4th year of this unmitigated disaster and Nagy is still hanging on by a thread. SMFH!!

[jmajew]

Would you trade both Mack & Quinn this offseason? We could probably get a 2nd for each

Depends on the head coach they bring in.

You've got 4 years with Fields on a rookie contract, there's enough money to revamp the WR room - they would have a ton of wasted cap space getting rid of those two and a great deal of production as well. That's a lot just for a second round pick.

I believe you have to keep Quinn and Mack in the fold next year. Their dead cap numbers would be way too high. You have to ask yourself for the 6 mil you save by cutting either Quinn or Mack can you get someone better? If you have a pass rusher on a rookie deal could you spend that 6 mil somewhere else...maybe.

To me the only guys that make sense cutting to save cap space after this year are Eddie Goldman (Saves 6.5 mil), Tarik Cohen (Saves 2 mil), Jeremiah Attachou (Saves 2.3 mil) & Angelo Blackson (Saves 2 mil). I'd keep Nick Foles because you'd only save 3 mil by cutting him and I think a decent backup will cost you more than that. Making those moves you would have about 57 mil to fill out about 30 roster spots.

The year to really overhaul the roster is after the 2022 season when you can cut loose Mack, Quinn, and Jackson and save about 30-35 mil. Basically, we have a great opportunity to set up a foundation for Fields next year and then go for broke in 2023 and 2024.

[MalagaBulls]

Would you trade both Mack & Quinn this offseason? We could probably get a 2nd for each

Depends on the head coach they bring in.

You've got 4 years with Fields on a rookie contract, there's enough money to revamp the WR room - they would have a ton of wasted cap space getting rid of those two and a great deal of production as well. That's a lot just for a second round pick.

I believe you have to keep Quinn and Mack in the fold next year. Their dead cap numbers would be way too high. You have to ask yourself for the 6 mil you save by cutting either Quinn or Mack can you get someone better? If you have a pass rusher on a rookie deal could you spend that 6 mil somewhere else...maybe.

To me the only guys that make sense cutting to save cap space after this year are Eddie Goldman (Saves 6.5 mil), Tarik Cohen (Saves 2 mil), Jeremiah Attachou (Saves 2.3 mil) & Angelo Blackson (Saves 2 mil). I'd keep Nick Foles because you'd only save 3 mil by cutting him and I think a decent backup will cost you more than that. Making those moves you would have about 57 mil to fill out about 30 roster spots.

The year to really overhaul the roster is after the 2022 season when you can cut loose Mack, Quinn, and Jackson and save about 30-35 mil. Basically, we have a great opportunity to set up a foundation for Fields next year and then go for broke in 2023 and 2024.

Trading both post 6/1 increases the CAP space.

[jmajew]

Depends on the head coach they bring in.

You've got 4 years with Fields on a rookie contract, there's enough money to revamp the WR room - they would have a ton of wasted cap space getting rid of those two and a great deal of production as well. That's a lot just for a second round pick.

I believe you have to keep Quinn and Mack in the fold next year. Their dead cap numbers would be way too high. You have to ask yourself for the 6 mil you save by cutting either Quinn or Mack can you get someone better? If you have a pass rusher on a rookie deal could you spend that 6 mil somewhere else...maybe.

To me the only guys that make sense cutting to save cap space after this year are Eddie Goldman (Saves 6.5 mil), Tarik Cohen (Saves 2 mil), Jeremiah Attachou (Saves 2.3 mil) & Angelo Blackson (Saves 2 mil). I'd keep Nick Foles because you'd only save 3 mil by cutting him and I think a decent backup will cost you more than that. Making those moves you would have about 57 mil to fill out about 30 roster spots.

The year to really overhaul the roster is after the 2022 season when you can cut loose Mack, Quinn, and Jackson and save about 30-35 mil. Basically, we have a great opportunity to set up a foundation for Fields next year and then go for broke in 2023 and 2024.

Trading both post 6/1 increases the CAP space.

Yes, but that just pushes those cap hits to 2023. So in 2023 we won't have as much space. Which is better.

[Dresden]

It's pretty telling how inept the FO is when Urban Meyer gets canned after only 13 games. Here we are in our 4th year of this unmitigated disaster and Nagy is still hanging on by a thread. SMFH!!

Well, he did go 12-4 one year, and their rookie QB made the Pro Bowl, and if they had gotten him a reliable place kicker, would have been at least into the second round of the playoffs. That will buy you some time.

[dice]

It's pretty telling how inept the FO is when Urban Meyer gets canned after only 13 games. Here we are in our 4th year of this unmitigated disaster and Nagy is still hanging on by a thread. SMFH!!

Well, he did go 12-4 one year, and their rookie QB made the Pro Bowl, and if they had gotten him a reliable place kicker, would have been at least into the second round of the playoffs. That will buy you some time.

yeah, there was no way he was getting canned after his disappointing second season. this past summer was the very obvious time to cut bait. he failed w/ trubisky, failed w/ his hand-picked guy in foles...what reason was there to believe that matt nagy was the guy to bring justin fields along?

but speaking of urban meyer, nagy can say "hey, at least i don't hire racists, hang out in bars and abuse my players and staff!"

[fleet]

It's pretty telling how inept the FO is when Urban Meyer gets canned after only 13 games. Here we are in our 4th year of this unmitigated disaster and Nagy is still hanging on by a thread. SMFH!!

Well, he did go 12-4 one year, and their rookie QB made the Pro Bowl, and if they had gotten him a reliable place kicker, would have been at least into the second round of the playoffs. That will buy you some time.

Fangio did.