State of Cowboys Union?

[Micah Prescott]

Jerry HIRED Jimmy. He fired Landry and hired Jimmy and everyone hated him for it. That took BALLS and he did it....Jerry did it.

If you are going to point your finger at Jerry when coaches do poorly, then you have to point your finger at Jerry when coaches win!

If McCarthy wins a ring here you have to credit Jerry if you are going to blame Jerry if the opposite happens.

Same with Jimmy, and Barry Switzer for that matter. If you are going to blame Jerry when things go sour then you have to credit him when things go right.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I'll never give Jerry credit for anything till he does what he most needs to do. Be an actual owner first. Let me ask you this, would Jerry allow any other person outside himself to be GM of this team for the last 19 years with these results?

[Mr B]

I'll never give Jerry credit for anything till he does what he most needs to do. Be an actual owner first. Let me ask you this, would Jerry allow any other person outside himself to be GM of this team for the last 19 years with these results?

I believe Jerry has already answered that, the answer was no. The thing is though Jerry isn’t going anywhere. At least not until he dies. After him Stephen will be the GM and then after Stephen it will like be Jerry’s grandson Spaulding (Jerry Jr’s son) or Stephens son.

As for credit, I think Jerry absolutely does deserve credit for hiring Jimmy. He could have hired anyone at that time. Hell he could have hired Switzer from the very beginning. He didn’t though, he hired Jimmy who built this team and was the main person responsible for the 3 SB’s in the 90’s.

I think as Jerry has gotten older he’s not in charge as much as they like to make people think he is. The team seems to be run now more by Stephen and Will McClay. Stephen is the money man and McClay is responsible for bringing in the players. Ever since they brought in McClay their entire philosophy has changed when it comes to brining in players, through FA and the draft.

If you noticed they have not signed a premier FA since Brandon Carr. They don’t target other teams high priced FA’s. Instead they now pay their own free agents. Also their drafting has seemed to change from drafting the “splash player” like Johnny Manziel to going with the Best Player Available. Does Jerry get credit for taking a slight step back and allowing Stephen and McClay to build the team? I think he does.

[Micah Prescott]

Stephen is clearly being primed for GM duties and if I had to guess I'd say he is the main GM now with Jerry stepping in when he objects. If Stephen really did select Fredricks against Jerry's will then I'd say he is in charge completely. Although I don't think that actually happened.

For the past decade or so our issues have never been talent. I think it can been argued that Dallas has been drafting the best of any team in the NFL over the last decade. Only Taco and Claiborne stick out in that time.

Our issues are coaching. And it's fair to blame Jerry for the failed Garrett experiment *IF* you credit Jerry for the successful Jimmy experiment. Otherwise you're a hypocrite.

McCarthy, I don't like him really. He makes decisions that irk me regularly. But at the same time, who else was there??? Who should Jerry have hired? The coaching pool at the time was weak.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I'll never give Jerry credit for anything till he does what he most needs to do. Be an actual owner first. Let me ask you this, would Jerry allow any other person outside himself to be GM of this team for the last 19 years with these results?

I believe Jerry has already answered that, the answer was no. The thing is though Jerry isn’t going anywhere. At least not until he dies. After him Stephen will be the GM and then after Stephen it will like be Jerry’s grandson Spaulding (Jerry Jr’s son) or Stephens son.

As for credit, I think Jerry absolutely does deserve credit for hiring Jimmy. He could have hired anyone at that time. Hell he could have hired Switzer from the very beginning. He didn’t though, he hired Jimmy who built this team and was the main person responsible for the 3 SB’s in the 90’s.

I think as Jerry has gotten older he’s not in charge as much as they like to make people think he is. The team seems to be run now more by Stephen and Will McClay. Stephen is the money man and McClay is responsible for bringing in the players. Ever since they brought in McClay their entire philosophy has changed when it comes to brining in players, through FA and the draft.

If you noticed they have not signed a premier FA since Brandon Carr. They don’t target other teams high priced FA’s. Instead they now pay their own free agents. Also their drafting has seemed to change from drafting the “splash player” like Johnny Manziel to going with the Best Player Available. Does Jerry get credit for taking a slight step back and allowing Stephen and McClay to build the team? I think he does.

Sooooooo, let me get what you are saying here. Fine, I totally agree with you like I do most of the time. I'll give you that one. He did hire Jimmy. But then chased him out the door after winning back to back Super Bowls. In 32 years of owning the Cowboys you were only able to come up with only one good thing Jerry did and I'm suppose to give him an A+.

[Micah Prescott]

After Jimmy departed, Jerry drafted Larry Allen in the 2nd round and then signed FA Deion Sanders, and then won another SB.

Does Jerry get credit for any of that?...I'd say 90% of fans default all credit to Jimmy but if you really look into that 1995 roster Jerry made some wise moves. Namely with Allen and taking away Deion from the 49ers who wanted to resign Deion.

[Mr B]

I'll never give Jerry credit for anything till he does what he most needs to do. Be an actual owner first. Let me ask you this, would Jerry allow any other person outside himself to be GM of this team for the last 19 years with these results?

I believe Jerry has already answered that, the answer was no. The thing is though Jerry isn’t going anywhere. At least not until he dies. After him Stephen will be the GM and then after Stephen it will like be Jerry’s grandson Spaulding (Jerry Jr’s son) or Stephens son.

As for credit, I think Jerry absolutely does deserve credit for hiring Jimmy. He could have hired anyone at that time. Hell he could have hired Switzer from the very beginning. He didn’t though, he hired Jimmy who built this team and was the main person responsible for the 3 SB’s in the 90’s.

I think as Jerry has gotten older he’s not in charge as much as they like to make people think he is. The team seems to be run now more by Stephen and Will McClay. Stephen is the money man and McClay is responsible for bringing in the players. Ever since they brought in McClay their entire philosophy has changed when it comes to brining in players, through FA and the draft.

If you noticed they have not signed a premier FA since Brandon Carr. They don’t target other teams high priced FA’s. Instead they now pay their own free agents. Also their drafting has seemed to change from drafting the “splash player” like Johnny Manziel to going with the Best Player Available. Does Jerry get credit for taking a slight step back and allowing Stephen and McClay to build the team? I think he does.

Sooooooo, let me get what you are saying here. Fine, I totally agree with you like I do most of the time. I'll give you that one. He did hire Jimmy. But then chased him out the door after winning back to back Super Bowls. In 32 years of owning the Cowboys you were only able to come up with only one good thing Jerry did and I'm suppose to give him an A+.

I still have a hard time placing ALL of the blame for Jimmy leaving on Jerry. Sure Jerry continued to stir the pot but Jimmy has said himself that he was ready to go. He wanted to get back to Florida. Look at Jimmy’s coaching history, he’s never stayed at one place longer than 5 years. He was looking for a way out. Now Jerry was dumb enough to give him one.

With that being said Jerry has made MANY mistakes over the years. Trading premium picks for Joey Galloway and then WR Roy Williams are among those mistakes. Also filing to retool the OL. Sure he drafted Larry Allen but after that it was all downhill until Parcells got to Dallas. So Jerry is not without fault.

[Mr B]

After Jimmy departed, Jerry drafted Larry Allen in the 2nd round and then signed FA Deion Sanders, and then won another SB.

Does Jerry get credit for any of that?...I'd say 90% of fans default all credit to Jimmy but if you really look into that 1995 roster Jerry made some wise moves. Namely with Allen and taking away Deion from the 49ers who wanted to resign Deion.

He absolutely gets credit for Deion. Jerry and Stephen have told the story about Deion many times. Jerry HAD TO HAVE Deion. Stephen was against it and the two actually almost came to blows over the signing. Jerry obviously won. He also does get credit for Larry Allen. He also gets credit for hiring Bill Parcells even though they both really needed each other.

As for when Will McClay came on board and Stephen started calling most of the shots I’ve heard that it was the Travis Fredrick draft. The story that was told on the radio was that McClay lobbied so hard for Travis Fredrick that he was able to convince Stephen and Jerry that he was the guy they needed. Based on that pick McClay was promoted to President of Player Personnel and has been in charge of building the team since then. He’s also the reason they didn’t select Johnny Manziel even though Jerry really wanted him.

So at this point Jerry is still the face of the franchise and I’m sure still have some veto power but really Stephen and McClay are calling the shots.

[Micah Prescott]

Mr B has reasonable takes.

bluejerseyjinx favors the black and white everything is negative take with no grey.


Jerry has absolutely made some bad calls...but also some good calls. And aside from anything GM related he is a brilliant business mind and big part of why the Dallas Cowboys are the most valued franchise in all of sports with the largest fan base in the NFL. And that prestige seeps into the players, just yesterday I read how Patrick Peterson wants to finish his career in Dallas because he grew up a Cowboys fan. And Peterson's story is a common one, Adrian Peterson wanted to be a Cowboy, Ray Lewis, Earl Thomas, hell LeBron James lol, etc etc. And that can all be traced to Jerry's business savvy.

Is the guy perfect? of course not. But I'm glad he bought the team and not someone else.

[Cactus Jack]

Trading premium picks for Joey Galloway.

Yeah, big ups to Jerry on that one! Doing us a solid.

IIRC those picks became HOF G Steve Hutchinson & Shaun Alexander. That was quite the deal.

Galloway was a good player. But a bit of a diva. Never was able to win with him.

[Mr B]

Trading premium picks for Joey Galloway.

Yeah, big ups to Jerry on that one!

IIRC those picks became HOF G Steve Hutchinson & Shaun Alexander. That was quite the deal.

Actually I don’t think it was Hutchinson. I could be wrong though. I think it was WR Koren Robinson. He was a really good player for them for a few seasons. The other was Shaun Alexander though.

Galloway blew his knee out in his 1st game with Dallas. The Cowboys would have been much better off with Alexander and Robinson instead of Joey Galloway.

[Mr B]

Mr B has reasonable takes.

bluejerseyjinx favors the black and white everything is negative take with no grey.


Jerry has absolutely made some bad calls...but also some good calls. And aside from anything GM related he is a brilliant business mind and big part of why the Dallas Cowboys are the most valued franchise in all of sports with the largest fan base in the NFL. And that prestige seeps into the players, just yesterday I read how Patrick Peterson wants to finish his career in Dallas because he grew up a Cowboys fan. And Peterson's story is a common one, Adrian Peterson wanted to be a Cowboy, Ray Lewis, Earl Thomas, hell LeBron James lol, etc etc. And that can all be traced to Jerry's business savvy.

Is the guy perfect? of course not. But I'm glad he bought the team and not someone else.

Jerry definitely gets credit for the Cowboys being the most valuable sports franchise in the entire world. Tex Schram gets a lot of credit too though for that because he’s the one that fought to get the Cowboys placed in the NFC East even though geographically they have no business being in the East. He wanted the Cowboys to have to play in New York, Philly, and DC. He wanted to be part of that market.

Jerry took that and ran with it. He changed a lot of stuff when he took over. Prior to Jerry buying the team alcohol was not sold in Texas Stadium. He also knew the global appeal of the Cowboys Cheerleaders and revamped their whole team. There is no way a team that hasn’t won as long as the Cowboys have should be as valuable as they are. That’s all on Jerry. From my understanding his daughter Charlotte is now the one primarily in charge of marketing the team. She has been for a while. I think she took that role when they moved into the new stadium in Arlington.

[Cactus Jack]

Trading premium picks for Joey Galloway.

Yeah, big ups to Jerry on that one!

IIRC those picks became HOF G Steve Hutchinson & Shaun Alexander. That was quite the deal.

Actually I don’t think it was Hutchinson. I could be wrong though. I think it was WR Koren Robinson. He was a really good player for them for a few seasons. The other was Shaun Alexander though.

Galloway blew his knee out in his 1st game with Dallas. The Cowboys would have been much better off with Alexander and Robinson instead of Joey Galloway.

Oh okay. Robinson was kind of underwhelming for the most part.

Shaun Alexander put up HOF numbers for about a 5 year period. But he also had two HOF lineman that he ran behind (Hutchinson & Jones).

[Micah Prescott]

Galloway and Roy Williams trades were pretty bad but what about the Amari Cooper trade?

Raiders took Johnathan Abram with 27th overall pick.

the next WR taken in that draft was N'Keal Harry who is a complete bust. He was the 2nd WR taken overall.

I feel like Amari trade has worked out very well.

[Mr B]

Yeah, big ups to Jerry on that one!

IIRC those picks became HOF G Steve Hutchinson & Shaun Alexander. That was quite the deal.

Actually I don’t think it was Hutchinson. I could be wrong though. I think it was WR Koren Robinson. He was a really good player for them for a few seasons. The other was Shaun Alexander though.

Galloway blew his knee out in his 1st game with Dallas. The Cowboys would have been much better off with Alexander and Robinson instead of Joey Galloway.

Oh okay. Robinson was kind of underwhelming for the most part.

Shaun Alexander put up HOF numbers for about a 5 year period. But he also had two HOF lineman that he ran behind (Hutchinson & Jones).

Yea Robinson I think maybe had a good rookie year but never really amounted to anything. Alexander would have been a really good replacement for Emmitt. Our OL was trash by that point though outside of Larry Allen. Still I would have rather taken the chance with young talent over Joey Galloway.

[Mr B]

Galloway and Roy Williams trades were pretty bad but what about the Amari Cooper trade?

Raiders took Johnathan Abram with 27th overall pick.

the next WR taken in that draft was N'Keal Harry who is a complete bust. He was the 2nd WR taken overall.

I feel like Amari trade has worked out very well.

Yea the Amari Cooper trade has worked out great. Roy Williams was a disaster from day 1.

[Micah Prescott]

The Lions drafted Brandon Pettigrew 20th overall with the 1st they got from us for Roy Williams. He never amounted to anything special. Neither team really got much from that trade.

WRs available around that pick were Maclin, Harvin, Britt. Percy Harvin is probably the best of that group but he suffered migraine headaches early on and then later with Seattle became a locker room issue for that team and they traded him.

[Cactus Jack]

Actually I don’t think it was Hutchinson. I could be wrong though. I think it was WR Koren Robinson. He was a really good player for them for a few seasons. The other was Shaun Alexander though.

Galloway blew his knee out in his 1st game with Dallas. The Cowboys would have been much better off with Alexander and Robinson instead of Joey Galloway.

Oh okay. Robinson was kind of underwhelming for the most part.

Shaun Alexander put up HOF numbers for about a 5 year period. But he also had two HOF lineman that he ran behind (Hutchinson & Jones).

Yea Robinson I think maybe had a good rookie year but never really amounted to anything. Alexander would have been a really good replacement for Emmitt. Our OL was trash by that point though outside of Larry Allen. Still I would have rather taken the chance with young talent over Joey Galloway.

Robinson also had off the field issues. Turns out he was an alcoholic. He had a ton of potential but never quite lived up to expectations.

The Seahawks also had the best offensive line in Football during those Alexander years. I think it's safe to say that he benefited greatly from it. Walter Jones was as dominant as any OT in recent memory. Hutchinson essentially was on par with Larry Allen.

[bluejerseyjinx]

After Jimmy departed, Jerry drafted Larry Allen in the 2nd round and then signed FA Deion Sanders, and then won another SB.

Does Jerry get credit for any of that?...I'd say 90% of fans default all credit to Jimmy but if you really look into that 1995 roster Jerry made some wise moves. Namely with Allen and taking away Deion from the 49ers who wanted to resign Deion.

Not in my book he does. We were going to the Super Bowl that year with, or without Sanders. I was on Stephen's side on this one and to this day still believe the Sanders trade was the beginning of the end of the dynasty way too soon. Because of the lousy Sanders contract we ended up losing a young Larry Allen to the Niners and didn't have enough cap space to resign Harper, Gogan, Stepnoski and others.

[Micah Prescott]

After Jimmy departed, Jerry drafted Larry Allen in the 2nd round and then signed FA Deion Sanders, and then won another SB.

Does Jerry get credit for any of that?...I'd say 90% of fans default all credit to Jimmy but if you really look into that 1995 roster Jerry made some wise moves. Namely with Allen and taking away Deion from the 49ers who wanted to resign Deion.

Not in my book he does. We were going to the Super Bowl that year with, or without Sanders. I was on Stephen's side on this one and to this day still believe the Sanders trade was the beginning of the end of the dynasty way too soon. Because of the lousy Sanders contract we ended up losing a young Larry Allen to the Niners and didn't have enough cap space to resign Harper, Gogan, Stepnoski and others.

huh?

Dallas had Larry Allen for over a decade, years after Deion was gone. He joined the 49ers at the tail end of his career late in his 30s.

Dallas lost to the 49ers in 1994 and Deion was a big reason for that. Jerry grabbed Deion and then we won a Super Bowl. How is a player winning a Super Bowl the beginning of the end? The guy locked down every WR he faced and helped us get a ring.