Luka Doncic and Rick Carlisle: The dissolution of their relationship; what comes next for the Dallas Mavericks

Post #1 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:34 pm

"It wasn't really about how Rick treated Luka," a Mavs player on the 2018-19 team said. "Luka hated how Rick treated other people."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32861454/luka-doncic-rick-carlisle-dissolution-their-relationship-comes-next-dallas-mavericks

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Archx · Post #2 » by **Archx** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:10 pm

Just surprised how hard Cuban defended him. From everything we heard so far, feels like people really didn't like him and when he left, Donnie just went with him because they're apparently so close. I can understand Cuban respects everything he has done for the franchise but i'm surprised they didn't act before everything went downhill.

Absinthe · Post #3 » by **Absinthe** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:54 pm

Two things can be true at the same time. It’s true that Carlisle can be a huge prick. He was also right that the Mavs should have drafted D. Mitchell instead of Dennis Smith Jr.

DSJ was a pretty high draft pick and expectations were reasonably high. He never once met expectations. If you look back at that draft they would have been better off with many players drafted after him.

Maverick41 · Post #4 » by **Maverick41** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:25 pm

It was the right move/time for Rick and the Mavs to part ways. His voice was tuned out and without solid leadership from vets (i.e JJB, Dirk, etc.) to keep the younger players from feeling preyed upon, it wouldn't have worked moving forward.

One of the big reasons why Dragic is such a hot commodity for the Mavs isn't because he's expected to be a 20 ppg scorer he once was, but because he would provide leadership and stability, particularly to someone that looks up to him in Luka.

bartlettbear · Post #5 » by **bartlettbear** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:24 am

Rick is just a bad guy and person I am glad the truth came out I was kicked off a message board because people loved him and they did not realize what a garbage person he was. Glad he is gone and certain type of player might be welcomed here moving forward.

Mr B · Post #6 » by **Mr B** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:24 am

Absinthe wrote:Two things can be true at the same time. It’s true that Carlisle can be a huge prick. He was also right that the Mavs should have drafted D. Mitchell instead of Dennis Smith Jr.

DSJ was a pretty high draft pick and expectations were reasonably high. He never once met expectations. If you look back at that draft they would have been better off with many players drafted after him.

And as Mitchell got better I’m sure that just stuck in Carlisle’s crawl. He’s a prick to begin with so I can easily see that would make him an even bigger prick.

Mr B · Post #7 » by **Mr B** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:26 am

Maverick41 wrote:It was the right move/time for Rick and the Mavs to part ways. His voice was tuned out and without solid leadership from vets (i.e JJB, Dirk, etc.) to keep the younger players from feeling preyed upon, it wouldn't have worked moving forward.

One of the big reasons why Dragic is such a hot commodity for the Mavs isn't because he's expected to be a 20 ppg scorer he once was, but because he would provide leadership and stability, particularly to someone that looks up to him in Luka.

It would be like the Suns adding Chris Paul. He’d be the big brother on the team. Show the young guys how to be a professional.

Post #8 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:26 am

Time will tell if Rick's absence means we will attract top talent in free agency or trade demands.

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Post #9 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:58 am

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Absinthe · Post #10 » by **Absinthe** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:47 am

The truth hurts. Carlisle could have killed DSJ a little more softly, but when he was traded to the Knicks he could have proved him wrong. He didn’t. Instead, he couldn’t crack the rotation on a rebuilding, terrible team and was sent to the G league.

Bob8 · Post #11 » by **Bob8** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:05 pm

Reading this story I wonder, what would Nba players did in Europe? Killed themselves? There's 90% of Euroleague coaches, who has done things much worse than RC. Here you have the best coach in Europe,

Watch on YouTube

Believe me Luka would have never came that fat, if he had real coach. The problem in Nba is that superstars can do whatever they want.

Btw, Obradovic has 9 Euroleague titles with 5 different clubs.

jpengland · Post #12 » by **jpengland** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:02 pm

Is Carlisle a dick? Yep.

Is He also a fantastic coach? Yep.

This is the sort of thing Luka looks back on in 10 years and realised what he missed.

Mr B · Post #13 » by **Mr B** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:29 pm

jpengland wrote:Is Carlisle a dick? Yep.

Is He also a fantastic coach? Yep.

This is the sort of thing Luka looks back on in 10 years and realised what he missed.

Some players thrive under a coach like Carlisle. Dirk and JJ Barea being prime examples. I think more and more of today’s young players though have no interest in playing for a guy like that though.

gottamakeit · Post #14 » by **gottamakeit** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:35 pm

jpengland wrote:Is Carlisle a dick? Yep.

Is He also a fantastic coach? Yep.

This is the sort of thing Luka looks back on in 10 years and realised what he missed.

You can be a dick and be a great coach IF you can still get your players to buy in.

In the Mavs case, several times last season, players had visibly tuned out of games, Rick "lost the team".
In that case, you absolutely need to move on from that coach.

Post #15 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:11 pm

Bob8 wrote:Reading this story I wonder, what would Nba players did in Europe? Killed themselves? There's 90% of Euroleague coaches, who has done things much worse than RC. Here you have the best coach in Europe,

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Believe me Luka would have never came that fat, if he had real coach. The problem in Nba is that superstars can do whatever they want.

Btw, Obradovic has 9 Euroleague titles with 5 different clubs.

Rick's job to Coach and not be these players parents. There has to be a balance. Luka being overweight has little to do with who his Coach is because more than Luka won't be motivated to listen to it. Especially not one that is a new Coach, like Jason Kidd, who is getting a feel for his new team & players.

Besides, the NBA's not Europe. Rick makes $7.2 million, Luka next season will make over $35 million. Do you really expect the one that is making $7.2m to intimidate the one making $35m?

Many of the elite young talent in the league are big gamers. Luka, Zion, Ben Simmons, and etc. They spend majority of their off time playing video games so being dediciated to the gym may take time.

Luka knew he would receive his max extension regardless, but if Cuban wants Luka to be dedicated more, Cuban should provide adequate talent around him.

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Bob8 · Post #16 » by **Bob8** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:07 pm

HMFFL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:Reading this story I wonder, what would Nba players did in Europe? Killed themselves? There's 90% of Euroleague coaches, who has done things much worse than RC. Here you have the best coach in Europe,

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Believe me Luka would have never came that fat, if he had real coach. The problem in Nba is that superstars can do whatever they want.

Btw, Obradovic has 9 Euroleague titles with 5 different clubs.
Rick's job to Coach and not be these players parents. There has to be a balance. Luka being overweight has little to do with who his Coach is because more than Luka won't be motivated to listen to it. Especially not one that is a new Coach, like Jason Kidd, who is getting a feel for his new team & players.

Besides, the NBA's not Europe. Rick makes $7.2 million, Luka next season will make over $35 million. Do you really expect the one that is making $7.2m to intimidate the one making $35m?

Many of the elite young talent in the league are big gamers. Luka, Zion, Ben Simmons, and etc. They spend majority of their off time playing video games so being dediciated to the gym may take time.

Luka knew he would receive his max extension regardless, but if Cuban wants Luka to be dedicated more, Cuban should provide adequate talent around him.

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Really? You give 200+ millions to a player and no expectations whatsoever for him? Coach is a link between players and management, if a player comes unprepared year after year something has to be done. Coach with authority will be for sure better in that and he has to be backed by management of course.

This story is a joke, kindergarten staff.

leolozon · Post #17 » by **leolozon** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:18 am

I love the quote of Cuban about not making a coaching change just to make one because the grass isn't greener... And he chose Kidd proving his point.

I don't like RC coaching style but there has to be some kind of middle between that and a team never looking prepared

Post #18 » by **HMFFL** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:38 am

Bob8 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:Reading this story I wonder, what would Nba players did in Europe? Killed themselves? There's 90% of Euroleague coaches, who has done things much worse than RC. Here you have the best coach in Europe,

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Believe me Luka would have never came that fat, if he had real coach. The problem in Nba is that superstars can do whatever they want.

Btw, Obradovic has 9 Euroleague titles with 5 different clubs.
Rick's job to Coach and not be these players parents. There has to be a balance. Luka being overweight has little to do with who his Coach is because more than Luka won't be motivated to listen to it. Especially not one that is a new Coach, like Jason Kidd, who is getting a feel for his new team & players.

Besides, the NBA's not Europe. Rick makes $7.2 million, Luka next season will make over $35 million. Do you really expect the one that is making $7.2m to intimidate the one making $35m?

Many of the elite young talent in the league are big gamers. Luka, Zion, Ben Simmons, and etc. They spend majority of their off time playing video games so being dediciated to the gym may take time.

Luka knew he would receive his max extension regardless, but if Cuban wants Luka to be dedicated more, Cuban should provide adequate talent around him.

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Really? You give 200+ millions to a player and no expectations whatsoever for him? Coach is a link between players and management, if a player comes unprepared year after year something has to be done. Coach with authority will be for sure better in that and he has to be backed by management of course.

This story is a joke, kindergarten staff.

When Jason Kidd was hired do you really expect him to come in and start barking orders at Luka and the team? A relationship must be established first, positive or negative, because things change once players reach the NBA level. Look how difficult the transition has been for many successful College Coaches.

Your expectations of a coach has regressed quickly. There might be two still in the NBA. I won't even count Rick because he's already lost his players in Indiana.

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Post #19 » by **HMFFL** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:42 am

leolozon wrote:I love the quote of Cuban about not making a coaching change just to make one because the grass isn't greener... And he chose Kidd proving his point.

I don't like RC coaching style but there has to be some kind of middle between that and a team never looking prepared

Cuban has done a pathetic job over the years. Jason Kidd was his guy all along but KP is playing very well within his system.

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XTraderXL · Post #20 » by **XTraderXL** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:10 am

Maverick41 wrote:It was the right move/time for Rick and the Mavs to part ways. His voice was tuned out and without solid leadership from vets (i.e JJB, Dirk, etc.) to keep the younger players from feeling preyed upon, it wouldn't have worked moving forward.

One of the big reasons why Dragic is such a hot commodity for the Mavs isn't because he's expected to be a 20 ppg scorer he once was, but because he would provide leadership and stability, particularly to someone that looks up to him in Luka.

Why are you so sure Luka still looks up to Dragic? At 22 he has already accomplished more than Goran has in his whole career. Goran was never first team all-NBA, never in MVP conversation, never started an ASG, never once played in the Olympics.... Its hard for me to see Goran as some huge veteran influence on Luka, I think its too late for that. At this point Luka needs a coach or a LeBron to keep him in check. Kidd isnt that guy and they are not getting LeBron.

I think Luka is who he is and he will have to mature and take things seriously on his own. In some ways he is a victim of his own success but he has time to get it together and fulfill his potential which is, in my opinion, top 10 of all time.