Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants)

[Andrew McCeltic]

You're blowing me away with your smarts. I just can't keep up.

Alright Mr. Smarty pants. You believe in all the “science” so you must also believe in math, right?

There are just under 8 billion people on planet earth. 7.83 to be more exact. If all of the vaccine manufacturers in the world worked 24/7/365 they wouldn’t even be able to sniff producing enough vaccine product for that many people to get vaccinated. Hypothetically just say that everyone on earth wanted to be triple vaxed. To even produce ONE dose for everyone it would take how many years? I can fill in more details later but I’ll give you a clue. more than 10 years. Never mind triple doses. In 6 months they have done 1.7 billion doses.
So the whole thing, the whole narrative is everyone needs to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity.
You do realize that’s impossible anytime soon without natural immunity, right? You should be thanking the unvaccinated that have natural immunity helping you get closer VS alienating them. It’s all a big scam. A big marketing ploy. It’s all power. It’s all about getting people to comply.

What do you have to say now? You’re the one that needs to get a clue. Not me.

O but there are articles that say 8 billion doses have been produced (lies), 2 billion (maybe), 4 billion (doubt it). Depends what you read and on what day

The only other explanation as to why there would be so many doses if the real number is closer to 8 is how long have they actually been working on this vaccine? Years. Which then supports the whole idea that this was a manufactured virus released from a lab. Which also supports a bunch of the conspiracies you hate.

I can go on and on and on picking holes left and right.

The most likely scenario whether you like it or not is agenda 2030 and this was released on purpose with mass vax, compliance, power, control all in mind. We are living in crazy times. Embrace the idea that this isn’t all Gods will and the world govt and leaders are trying to save you. They aren’t.

They are doing 41 million doses a day globally right now you ignoramus. At that rate they can double vaccinate the entire planet in one year. 46% of the planet is already fully vaccinated. How do you get math SO wrong?

Not only do I think you're stupid, but I'm also pretty convinced you don't actually own a hot tub. There, I said it.

This is just ignorant and wrongly suspicious stuff. mRNA vaccines have been investigated for years because they are a promising technology for diseases which already exist. We're LUCKY as hell that the stars aligned and the vaccine platform was ready at the same time as the virus, lucky as hell that the virus could be sequenced so quickly, the spike protein identified.. You're taking a near miracle of modern science and treating it like a sign of conspiracy.

Like, the idea for mRNA vaccination was around DECADES ago. Moderna was founded in like, 2010! Before Covid-19 even EXISTED. They have TWENTY-THREE vaccine candidates in their research pipeline for things like HIV and the flu.

At some point you may notice that every point you make we immediately put in perspective and show you're taking it out of context. You're not able to do the same. You "pick holes", which just means you bring up things informed and intelligent people are already aware of and change the subject to a new "hole" every time you're given context.

And the New York Times tracks FIFTY EIGHT percent of the WORLD has received at least one dose of the vaccine! That's in one year! Another modern miracle of production and logistics.

Good god dude, you're just wrong on this. The basketball equivalent is thinking Antoine Walker is good. You're missing all the context, you're not listening, you see the counting stats and shoulder wiggles.

[Mr Loggins]

I don't think that's the narrative though. I thought the main benefit of the vaccine was not to confer 100% immunity (which it doesn't), but to prevent health care systems from being overwhelmed. In other words, you are orders of magnitude less likely to end up in hospital if you've been vaxxed.

Do you have any idea how many ICU beds are in the average hospital? Like 10 bro. Some hospitals have more of course. Some have less.
1 nurse is usually responsible for 2 icu beds. And any given time prior to covid about 80% of icu beds are typically utilized at any given moment. Now with nursing shortage (we know why) then that brings those beds down. If there are 10 only 7 or 8 can be used. ICU is very complicated. Therefor they send you elsewhere.
There’s design behind all of the moves/mandates being made.

Overrun my ass. Don’t listen to these fools.

If there’s an actual crisis like a smallpox outbreak. Nurses aren’t being fired. Not to mention most of the front line medical professionals already had covid from the beginning stages.

As an ICU physician, I feel compelled to ask - what exactly are you basing your statements regarding ICU usage and capacity on?

edit to add: I’m sure there is a tweet or conspiracy website somewhere “proving” all these reports of icu’s being stressed are just more Fauci’s nonsense, but that’s not the case.

the local paper here ran an article a few days ago, which paints a pretty accurate picture

https://m.startribune.com/unvaccinated-patients-are-filling-minnesotas-intensive-care-units/600126172/

[Captain_Caveman]

You know, if you are 25, unvaccinated and healthy, covid-19 probably won't kill you. Enjoy your life. But if you are 60+ and have the usual comorbidities that people over 60 have, it may very well kill you, and in fact it is killing the unvaccinated at a rate that is six times higher than the vaccinated.

So go ahead and die. The social security system will thank you.

I never liked Grandma anyway.

[Captain_Caveman]

Alright Mr. Smarty pants. You believe in all the “science” so you must also believe in math, right?

There are just under 8 billion people on planet earth. 7.83 to be more exact. If all of the vaccine manufacturers in the world worked 24/7/365 they wouldn’t even be able to sniff producing enough vaccine product for that many people to get vaccinated. Hypothetically just say that everyone on earth wanted to be triple vaxed. To even produce ONE dose for everyone it would take how many years? I can fill in more details later but I’ll give you a clue. more than 10 years. Never mind triple doses. In 6 months they have done 1.7 billion doses.
So the whole thing, the whole narrative is everyone needs to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity.
You do realize that’s impossible anytime soon without natural immunity, right? You should be thanking the unvaccinated that have natural immunity helping you get closer VS alienating them. It’s all a big scam. A big marketing ploy. It’s all power. It’s all about getting people to comply.

What do you have to say now? You’re the one that needs to get a clue. Not me.

O but there are articles that say 8 billion doses have been produced (lies), 2 billion (maybe), 4 billion (doubt it). Depends what you read and on what day

The only other explanation as to why there would be so many doses if the real number is closer to 8 is how long have they actually been working on this vaccine? Years. Which then supports the whole idea that this was a manufactured virus released from a lab. Which also supports a bunch of the conspiracies you hate.

I can go on and on and on picking holes left and right.

The most likely scenario whether you like it or not is agenda 2030 and this was released on purpose with mass vax, compliance, power, control all in mind. We are living in crazy times. Embrace the idea that this isn’t all Gods will and the world govt and leaders are trying to save you. They aren’t.

They are doing 41 million doses a day globally right now you ignoramus. At that rate they can double vaccinate the entire planet in one year. 46% of the planet is already fully vaccinated. How do you get math SO wrong?

Not only do I think you're stupid, but I'm also pretty convinced you don't actually own a hot tub. There, I said it.

This is just ignorant and wrongly suspicious stuff. mRNA vaccines have been investigated for years because they are a promising technology for diseases which already exist. We're LUCKY as hell that the stars aligned and the vaccine platform was ready at the same time as the virus, lucky as hell that the virus could be sequenced so quickly, the spike protein identified.. You're taking a near miracle of modern science and treating it like a sign of conspiracy.

Like, the idea for mRNA vaccination was around DECADES ago. Moderna was founded in like, 2010! Before Covid-19 even EXISTED. They have TWENTY-THREE vaccine candidates in their research pipeline for things like HIV and the flu.

At some point you may notice that every point you make we immediately put in perspective and show you're taking it out of context. You're not able to do the same. You "pick holes", which just means you bring up things informed and intelligent people are already aware of and change the subject to a new "hole" every time you're given context.

And the New York Times tracks FIFTY EIGHT percent of the WORLD has received at least one dose of the vaccine! That's in one year! Another modern miracle of production and logistics.

Good god dude, you're just wrong on this. The basketball equivalent is thinking Antoine Walker is good. You're missing all the context, you're not listening, you see the counting stats and shoulder wiggles.

Realistically, it has been a lot less than one year for half the planet.

[Andrew McCeltic]

ddb going to die on this hill literally and metaphorically

[greenroom31]

ddb going to die on this hill literally and metaphorically

Watch on YouTube

[Fencer reregistered]

Personally, I don't need this thread, because I have a wife who's unusually knowledgeable about such matters. (E.g., she's taught anatomy/physiology and other human biology at the college level.)

But other folks might be able to get more out of it. So shame on the malicious folks who sabotage it, whatever their motivations may be.

[Green89]

I hope you are being facetious

I don't think they were. Facts are facts. But don't let that affect your narrative.

I just feel bad for anyone that believes flu cases dropped that dramatically because of masks & social distancing. I was just visiting MA. No masks, no social distancing. You are all falling for the BS narratives and lies. Not me

Depends on what part of Mass. It's different everywhere, as I travel extensively through many different towns. I go to a Five Guys in one town, and every employee is wearing one. Then went to another one in another city and no one had one on. Some towns, I will see 40% of people out in public masked. Then in a different area, only 10% of people wearing them. Not seen a town in Mass yet where no one was wearing them, though.

[canman1971]

Okay so leave me the **** alone for not being vaccinated. Bashing me, etc. like you’re some hero doing something amazing for society.

Only people I know getting covid are vaccinated.

You're being bashed for all the lies you spread to justify not being vaccinated. You're a relentless manipulator of facts, and you resort to the crappiest sources of information to base the "wisdom" you spread. You accuse others of being sheeple, yet you're the one who has been brainwashed with bleach.

Not being vaccinated would get you 0.01% of the bashing you're getting.

K I’m at the beach leave me alone. You still haven’t figured out I’m trolling the **** out of you covid crazies

I don't know if you realize what a horrible human being you are. It's really mind boggling.

[Fencer reregistered]

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/omicron-multiplies-70times-faster-than-delta-in-human-airways-study-finds/

[exculpatory]

Personally, I don't need this thread, because I have a wife who's unusually knowledgeable about such matters. (E.g., she's taught anatomy/physiology and other human biology at the college level.)

But other folks might be able to get more out of it.

So shame on the malicious folks who sabotage it, whatever their motivations may be.

Fencer,

I am sure she is very informed, but a college professor is not in the same stratosphere as a multi-decade experienced/dedicated clinician/medical school professor.

Your wife does not read or have access to the original source links that I am periodically posting & summarizing.

Please share my stuff with her as you so desire.

Ex

PS I could not agree more with your bolded comment. These people are a disgrace to society.

[exculpatory]

https://apple.news/AcajY0mEXSPm8Qlhjdy6kTQ

1 MILLION new cases per day in the near future - absolutely mind blowing.

This frightens the **** out of me.
We will pass 1 million dead Americans by Feb-Mar 2022.
ICUs EVERYWHERE will be overwhelmed.
Many of our unvaccinated morons will get their comeuppance for their despicable/callous/willful ignorance.
Tragically, some of the “at risk” double vaccinated & even boosted will become very ill as well.
Some of the non-Covid critically ill will be denied ICU beds & die.
SMMFH.

GET BOOSTED RIGHT **** NOW IF YOU ARE DOUBLE VACCINATED.
AND IF YOU ARE AN UNVACCINATED MORON, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO CHANGE THAT.

AND MASK UP & SOCIAL DISTANCE.

[exculpatory]

For those at high risk who get infected -

Casirivimab–imdevimab treatment associated with reduced rates of hospitalisation in high-risk patients with mild-to-moderate COVID-19 = REGENERON

https://dgalerts.docguide.com/casirivimab-imdevimab-treatment-associated-reduced-rates-hospitalisation-high-risk-patients-mild?overlay=2&nl_ref=newsletter&pk_campaign=newsletter&nl_eventid=92030&nl_campaignid=3641&pw_siteID=25&ncov_site=covid-19&MemberID=30185532

“In this cohort of exclusively high-risk patients with mild-to-moderate COVID-19, there was a significant reduction in all-cause hospitalisation in patients who received treatment with casirivimab–imdevimab, compared to propensity-matched untreated control,” wrote Raymund R Razonable, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota, and colleagues, noting that the findings “provide the real-world clinical outcome needed to support the use of these specific anti-spike monoclonal antibodies in patients with mild-to-moderate COVID-19.”

“A retrospective cohort of 696 patients who received one-hour infusion of casirivimab (1,200-mg dose) and imdevimab (1,200-mg dose) between December 4, 2020 and April 9, 2021 was compared to a propensity-matched control of 696 untreated patients with mild-to-moderate COVID-19 at Mayo Clinic sites in Arizona, Florida, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.”


https://www.docwirenews.com/covid-19/pfizer-says-new-covid-pill-cut-severe-disease-by-89/

[Fencer reregistered]

Personally, I don't need this thread, because I have a wife who's unusually knowledgeable about such matters. (E.g., she's taught anatomy/physiology and other human biology at the college level.)

But other folks might be able to get more out of it.

So shame on the malicious folks who sabotage it, whatever their motivations may be.

Fencer,

I am sure she is very informed, but a college professor is not in the same stratosphere as a multi-decade experienced/dedicated clinician/medical school professor.

Your wife does not read or have access to the original source links that I am periodically posting & summarizing.

Please share my stuff with her as you so desire.

Ex

PS I could not agree more with your bolded comment. These people are a disgrace to society.

You're contradicting yourself.

You're right when you repeatedly say or imply that the facts are so overwhelming that's it's obvious what one should do to protect oneself or others.

Given that, you were quite probably wrong when you suggested just now that the added information you have makes much difference to ordinary citizens like me.

[exculpatory]

Personally, I don't need this thread, because I have a wife who's unusually knowledgeable about such matters. (E.g., she's taught anatomy/physiology and other human biology at the college level.)

But other folks might be able to get more out of it.

So shame on the malicious folks who sabotage it, whatever their motivations may be.

Fencer,

I am sure she is very informed, but a college professor is not in the same stratosphere as a multi-decade experienced/dedicated clinician/medical school professor.

Your wife does not read or have access to the original source links that I am periodically posting & summarizing.

Please share my stuff with her as you so desire.

Ex

PS I could not agree more with your bolded comment. These people are a disgrace to society.

You're contradicting yourself.

You're right when you repeatedly say or imply that the facts are so overwhelming that's it's obvious what one should do to protect oneself or others.

Given that, you were quite probably wrong when you suggested just now that the added information you have makes much difference to ordinary citizens like me.

Perhaps.

Depends how much you want to know.

And, as far as I am concerned, the greater the depth of your understanding, the better.

[Bucksmaniac]

https://apple.news/AcajY0mEXSPm8Qlhjdy6kTQ

1 MILLION new cases per day in the near future - absolutely mind blowing.

This frightens the **** out of me.
We will pass 1 million dead Americans by Feb-Mar 2022.
ICUs EVERYWHERE will be overwhelmed.
Many of our unvaccinated morons will get their comeuppance for their despicable/callous/willful ignorance.
Tragically, some of the “at risk” double vaccinated & even boosted will become very ill as well.
Some of the non-Covid critically ill will be denied ICU beds & die.
SMMFH.

GET BOOSTED RIGHT **** NOW IF YOU ARE DOUBLE VACCINATED.
AND IF YOU ARE AN UNVACCINATED MORON, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO CHANGE THAT.

AND MASK UP & SOCIAL DISTANCE.

Because that’s what is happening right now in relatively low vaccinated South Africa, which is well ahead of us on the Omicron timeline? Oh wait...it isn’t, your post is definitely towing the line of fear mongering and/or disinformation.

[coach mang]

someone mentioned the RAYZM THWEAD a few pages back and dat made mang melancholy for dat most starcrossed o thweads. mang wish she could remember the black poster who took a flame thrower to that thwead so much so that the mod who started it had to lock it. yall was making some poor bub from maine apologize for being pissed that he was passed over for promo at work cuz he was whyt. yall remember dat? mang remember dat. then this brutha comes in and burns dat thwead to da ground. wut a legend.

if that poster is reading this or if anyone remember his name drop it in this thwead so mang can break her and1 cherry on this legend. mangs had her and1s in a chastity belt all this time but will unlock it right here right now

mods yall made the right call unlocking this thwead. it took brother disinfo nuking his account and mangs gentle prodding to get this thwead up again but in the end u did the right thing. look at all the fun productive discourse we've had since. this thwead has it all, links to info, genuine pathos, comedy (intentional and otherwise)... so....

don't yall think its about time to open up the RAYZM THWEAD agane? in mangs humble opinion it was locked just before it fully bloomed.

mang want to learn more about whyt rage



plz let the healing continue... thank ye kindly

[ddb]

1. Omicron is 70x as infectious as delta, which was twice as infectious as the original variant.
2. Omicron is resulting in 10x fewer hospitalizations than prior waves in S. Africa.
3. Conclusion A: Everyone will get Omicron. Get used to it.
4. Conclusion B: Your chances of dying are minimal, and much lower than if you had delta. Those chances are striated based on age.
5. Conclusion C: Overall number of deaths will be higher than right now solely because number of infections will be larger.

*Few bullet points from Ben Shapiro who is vaccinated. I'm sorta eh on Shapiro but he's usually on top of stuff.

so on and so forth. so let's quadruple vax, mask, stay inside, shut down businesses, etc......

[Green89]

https://apple.news/AcajY0mEXSPm8Qlhjdy6kTQ

1 MILLION new cases per day in the near future - absolutely mind blowing.

This frightens the **** out of me.
We will pass 1 million dead Americans by Feb-Mar 2022.
ICUs EVERYWHERE will be overwhelmed.
Many of our unvaccinated morons will get their comeuppance for their despicable/callous/willful ignorance.
Tragically, some of the “at risk” double vaccinated & even boosted will become very ill as well.
Some of the non-Covid critically ill will be denied ICU beds & die.
SMMFH.

GET BOOSTED RIGHT **** NOW IF YOU ARE DOUBLE VACCINATED.
AND IF YOU ARE AN UNVACCINATED MORON, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO CHANGE THAT.

AND MASK UP & SOCIAL DISTANCE.

Read on Twitter

In this small set of Israeli numbers it indicated Omicron infected 76% of triple vaccinated people had omicron, while only 24% of unvaccinated people. If it overtakes delta (spreading at the rate we're hearing, could be likely), doesn't affect the unvaccinated as much as previous strains, and vaccines still prevent only a miniscule number of deaths by it, this may be what we need (omicron to overtake delta) to get out of this pandemic.

[SuperDeluxe]

https://apple.news/AcajY0mEXSPm8Qlhjdy6kTQ

1 MILLION new cases per day in the near future - absolutely mind blowing.

This frightens the **** out of me.
We will pass 1 million dead Americans by Feb-Mar 2022.
ICUs EVERYWHERE will be overwhelmed.
Many of our unvaccinated morons will get their comeuppance for their despicable/callous/willful ignorance.
Tragically, some of the “at risk” double vaccinated & even boosted will become very ill as well.
Some of the non-Covid critically ill will be denied ICU beds & die.
SMMFH.

GET BOOSTED RIGHT **** NOW IF YOU ARE DOUBLE VACCINATED.
AND IF YOU ARE AN UNVACCINATED MORON, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO CHANGE THAT.

AND MASK UP & SOCIAL DISTANCE.

Read on Twitter

In this small set of Israeli numbers it indicated Omicron infected 76% of triple vaccinated people had omicron, while only 24% of unvaccinated people. If it overtakes delta (spreading at the rate we're hearing, could be likely), doesn't affect the unvaccinated as much as previous strains, and vaccines still prevent only a miniscule number of deaths by it, this may be what we need (omicron to overtake delta) to get out of this pandemic.

My brother was thinking along the same lines yesterday. But it could be a double-edged sword: while Omicron may help build natural immunity across the board, it may also be a springboard for new variants.