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[RiotPunch]

wtf our starting lineup in the finals was: Holiday, Middleton, Tucker, Giannis, Lopez. Khris was a 3 when we lost.

PJ was guarding Booker for the most part, wasn't he?

There was rotation, but Tucker was typically guarding the Durants or whoever the best offensive wing was throughout the playoffs. If anyone is the 2 between Tucker & Middleton, it's Tucker. Tucker's a 4/3. Middleton is a 2/3.

No doubt. Just saying our beloved champions didn't really have a starting 2. Midds is closest on offense, PJ was probably closer on defense. Midds post-injury plays more like a modern 4 than a 2.

[Bernman]

Middleton isn't a 3 WTF? Dude has always been a 2/3

this doesn't refute what I said at all

I said he was a 2/3, who I'd prefer playing more the 2, because the one time he did, we won a championship. The other times he was tasked w/ guarding big wings, he didn't do it overly well, while it taxed his offense.

So the Bucks need a Tucker or Finney-Smith or that type of big wing to handle those duties. They'd be more the 3 than Middleton.

[LikeABosh]

wtf our starting lineup in the finals was: Holiday, Middleton, Tucker, Giannis, Lopez. Khris was a 3 when we lost.

Almost like we were missing our starting SG ya goof

Almost like that was the time we finally won a title ya fool

Uh, ok? He's still a SF. Playing Allen doesn't put him in some abnormal position.

This dude

[Bernman]

Uh, ok? He's still a SF. Playing Allen doesn't put him in some abnormal position.

This dude

It's not abnormal, but it was an impediment in winning it all the previous times, so imagine some would prefer not to do it again.

This petty guy.

[JayMKE]

If Donte was healthy he'd probably would have been starting, we win title either way.

Positions aren't so black and white, I'd say Khris is a 3 but there are match ups and scenarios where you can slide him up and down.

[LikeABosh]

Uh, ok? He's still a SF. Playing Allen doesn't put him in some abnormal position.

This dude

It's not abnormal, but it was objectively an impediment in winning it all the previous times, so imagine some would prefer not to do it again.

This petty guy.

Objectively? Never heard of it from a consensus. How so? The bigger lineup had some merits, but it also led to some awkward matchups against the Nets and Suns where we really would've benefited from a guard like DDV to put up against Kyrie and Booker

I really don't see the issue with Middleton at the 3. Especially to the point that it was the difference between winning in 2020 and losing in 2019. He was guarding forwards and being guarded by forwards even with Tucker in the lineup

[Bernman]

If Donte was healthy he'd probably would have been starting, we win title either way.

Positions aren't so black and white, I'd say Khris is a 3 but there are match ups and scenarios where you can slide him up and down.

I'm probably in the top 5% here in appreciating Donte's game, and I probably was less impressed with Tucker than most.

But Donte's absence was a blessing in disguise, if we weren't going to elect to bring him off the bench as opposed to Tucker. You can't match-up w/ Brooklyn or Miami as well otherwise. If we'd see the Lakers, Clippers, etc. in the finals if not for injury, that applies too. Donte can't match up w/ Durant, Leonard, Butler, James, etc. So that puts Middleton or Giannis on them, taxing their legs on offense. This was a factor in prior playoff failures.

[Bernman]

Objectively? Never heard of it from a consensus. How so? The bigger lineup had some merits, but it also led to some awkward matchups against the Nets and Suns where we really would've benefited from a guard like DDV to put up against Kyrie and Booker

I really don't see the issue with Middleton at the 3. Especially to the point that it was the difference between winning in 2020 and losing in 2019. He was guarding forwards and being guarded by forwards even with Tucker in the lineup

Jrue was there to mark Kyrie. Kyrie only became a match-up problem when we had to bring Teague off the bench. So if we used DiVo off the bench, then yes, he'd have been a moderate asset. But in a starting lineup instead of Tucker he'd have been a liability because then there's nobody to guard Durant but our stars.

DiVo likely could have handled Booker well enough. That's not most tough covers you're going to see in the playoffs though. Tucker or Finney-Smith, etc. could handle big wings like Durant, Kawhi, Butler, James, etc. better. Even Terrence Ross is too big for Donte in the reg. season. Jrue handles 1's. Means in most playoff match-ups for us, Donte would be w/out a positive role as a starter.

[JayMKE]

It's hard to imagine Durant playing much better than he did against PJ so I'm not sure where that narrative comes from

[JayMKE]

Objectively? Never heard of it from a consensus. How so? The bigger lineup had some merits, but it also led to some awkward matchups against the Nets and Suns where we really would've benefited from a guard like DDV to put up against Kyrie and Booker

I really don't see the issue with Middleton at the 3. Especially to the point that it was the difference between winning in 2020 and losing in 2019. He was guarding forwards and being guarded by forwards even with Tucker in the lineup

Jrue was there to mark Kyrie. Kyrie only became a match-up problem when we had to bring Teague off the bench. So if we used DiVo off the bench, then yes, he'd have been a moderate asset. But in a starting lineup instead of Tucker he'd have been a liability because then there's nobody to guard Durant but our stars.

DiVo likely could have handled Booker well enough. That's not most tough covers you're going to see in the playoffs though. Tucker or Finney-Smith, etc. could handle big wings like Durant, Kawhi, Butler, James, etc. better. Even Terrence Ross is too big for Donte in the reg. season. Jrue handles 1's. Means in most playoff match-ups for us, Donte would be w/out a positive role as a starter.

You forget that we weren't expecting a hobbled Harden who otherwise I would have had Jrue on, Donte on Kyrie would be infinitely better than any other option we would have had.

[Bernman]

It's hard to imagine Durant playing much better than he did against PJ so I'm not sure where that narrative comes from

PJ was +24 in that series and +54 vs. the Heat. Those were the 2 where we faced high quality big wings. He had diminishing returns v. Phoenix where they had Booker, Bridges, and Crowder to match up w/. Actually had a marginally negative +/-.

We needed that type of player to get thru Durant & the Nets. That will likely be the case this season as well, in addition to maybe this version of the Heat & the finals rep. So I hope it's addressed at the deadline & 1 of Allen/DiVo are moved back to a super-sub role, the other used as trade bait. The starting lineups could be adjusted based on match-ups. We don't even have that option now.

You forget that we weren't expecting a hobbled Harden who otherwise I would have had Jrue on, Donte on Kyrie would be infinitely better than any other option we would have had.

Harden's known for melting down in the playoffs. I'd have rather seen him taking those shots than Durant or Kyrie. Of course matching up with Durant is the most important thing.

[DingleJerry]

Yea someone in the body type mold like PJ is something they would likely want to add before the playoffs. Without it you're stuck with lots of Giannis/Mid having to guard KD which is bad for fouls and wearing them down. I'm sure this is why they've tried grabbing guys like Semi, Hood, Wes, etc hoping to find someone to stick. I don't think they've found it yet though. Thad Young seems perfect if they can get ahold of him

[JayMKE]

IDK healthy in shape Harden while he could still jump into fouls is a match up nightmare playoff choking aside, we definitely caught some breaks that series but luckily for us the Nets firepower doesn't seem so overwhelming this year. Not saying we shouldn't comb thru the trash heap but the cupboard is pretty bare.

PJ honestly looks like he's in better shape this year, our "snub" really lit a fire under his ass me thinks.

[jakecronus8]

Just pause the season for 2-3 weeks. Rather cancel games then watch Gleague guys on a regular basis

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[ShootingtheJ]

So we're now eligible for a hardship waiver? Wenyen Gabriel or Luke Kornet.

[MickeyDavis]

So we're now eligible for a hardship waiver? Wenyen Gabriel or Luke Kornet.

A good time to tryout some guys, see if anyone can stick.

[LuessiT]

So we're now eligible for a hardship waiver? Wenyen Gabriel or Luke Kornet.

Wierd way to spell Cheick Diallo.

[emunney]

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