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BlazersBroncos wrote:Its a war crime that Presti denied us the pleasure of watching Giddey and Sengun on the same team.
The Washington one is too. If Beal leaves this off-season it's probably a 50/50 shot it conveys.PrinceAli wrote:BlazersBroncos wrote:Its a war crime that Presti denied us the pleasure of watching Giddey and Sengun on the same team.
Presti let his greed of picks get the best of him there
Sengun would be starting in OKC and putting up even greater numbers right now too
I guess we’ll have to see what OKC ends up getting with the Detroit and Washington picks in the future, although the Detroit pick is heavily protected for the foreseeable future
No, I'm happy with both players.srhcan wrote:thelead wrote:I watched some of the Toronto game last night... not a fan of how much Barnes is ignored. I feel like he could be doing more on a team like the magic... maybe his efficiency suffers with less attention on others but he just has 'it'. His shot is a work in progress... when he misses, it's UGLY but the efficiency actually is good. I'm shocked that he's shooting 37% from 3 already. Toronto has a keeper in Barnes.
Will you trade Suggs and Wagner for Barnes?
oldshoolballer wrote:
Another second round steal. McBride is an absolute pitbull on defense. Has a very high IQ doesn't rush on offense plays within himself. Great pick by the Knicks.
QingJames wrote:zaymon wrote:srhcan wrote:Will you trade Suggs and Wagner for Barnes?
Some of us wouldnt trade Wagner for Barnes straight up let alone Suggs and Wagner.
lol come on now, that'd be foolish. Wagner looks good but Barnes certainly projects to be much better than both of those guys at this point, it's crazy the level of skill he's already attained while also having far superior physical characteristics to basically every other rookie except Mobley and perhaps Kuminga. Yet, even I'm not so big of a homer that I wouldn't trade Barnes for Mobley if offered. Barnes projects amazing but Mobley will likely win several DPOYs, so I would do that deal if Cleveland offered (they wouldn't).
QingJames wrote:zaymon wrote:srhcan wrote:Will you trade Suggs and Wagner for Barnes?
Some of us wouldnt trade Wagner for Barnes straight up let alone Suggs and Wagner.
lol come on now, that'd be foolish. Wagner looks good but Barnes certainly projects to be much better than both of those guys at this point, it's crazy the level of skill he's already attained while also having far superior physical characteristics to basically every other rookie except Mobley and perhaps Kuminga. Yet, even I'm not so big of a homer that I wouldn't trade Barnes for Mobley if offered. Barnes projects amazing but Mobley will likely win several DPOYs, so I would do that deal if Cleveland offered (they wouldn't).
zaymon wrote:QingJames wrote:zaymon wrote:
Some of us wouldnt trade Wagner for Barnes straight up let alone Suggs and Wagner.
lol come on now, that'd be foolish. Wagner looks good but Barnes certainly projects to be much better than both of those guys at this point, it's crazy the level of skill he's already attained while also having far superior physical characteristics to basically every other rookie except Mobley and perhaps Kuminga. Yet, even I'm not so big of a homer that I wouldn't trade Barnes for Mobley if offered. Barnes projects amazing but Mobley will likely win several DPOYs, so I would do that deal if Cleveland offered (they wouldn't).
Barnes is great, pleasure to watch but he relies on his tools a lot. Barnes looks almost fully developed physically while Wagner has a lot room to grow.
Barnes is 6'7 pf/c while Wagner is 6'10 sg/sf, you could argue whose ceiling is really higher, but Wagner is more skilled for sure.
People compare Barnes to Giannis, but he is not great driving to the rim. Wagner has a lot more volume and better efficiency.
zaymon wrote:QingJames wrote:zaymon wrote:
Some of us wouldnt trade Wagner for Barnes straight up let alone Suggs and Wagner.
lol come on now, that'd be foolish. Wagner looks good but Barnes certainly projects to be much better than both of those guys at this point, it's crazy the level of skill he's already attained while also having far superior physical characteristics to basically every other rookie except Mobley and perhaps Kuminga. Yet, even I'm not so big of a homer that I wouldn't trade Barnes for Mobley if offered. Barnes projects amazing but Mobley will likely win several DPOYs, so I would do that deal if Cleveland offered (they wouldn't).
Barnes is great, pleasure to watch but he relies on his tools a lot. Barnes looks almost fully developed physically while Wagner has a lot room to grow.
Barnes is 6'7 pf/c while Wagner is 6'10 sg/sf, you could argue whose ceiling is really higher, but Wagner is more skilled for sure.
People compare Barnes to Giannis, but he is not great driving to the rim. Wagner has a lot more volume and better efficiency.
zaymon wrote:QingJames wrote:zaymon wrote:
Some of us wouldnt trade Wagner for Barnes straight up let alone Suggs and Wagner.
lol come on now, that'd be foolish. Wagner looks good but Barnes certainly projects to be much better than both of those guys at this point, it's crazy the level of skill he's already attained while also having far superior physical characteristics to basically every other rookie except Mobley and perhaps Kuminga. Yet, even I'm not so big of a homer that I wouldn't trade Barnes for Mobley if offered. Barnes projects amazing but Mobley will likely win several DPOYs, so I would do that deal if Cleveland offered (they wouldn't).
Barnes is great, pleasure to watch but he relies on his tools a lot. Barnes looks almost fully developed physically while Wagner has a lot room to grow.
Barnes is 6'7 pf/c while Wagner is 6'10 sg/sf, you could argue whose ceiling is really higher, but Wagner is more skilled for sure.
People compare Barnes to Giannis, but he is not great driving to the rim. Wagner has a lot more volume and better efficiency.
OrlMagic05 wrote:QingJames wrote:zaymon wrote:
Some of us wouldnt trade Wagner for Barnes straight up let alone Suggs and Wagner.
lol come on now, that'd be foolish. Wagner looks good but Barnes certainly projects to be much better than both of those guys at this point, it's crazy the level of skill he's already attained while also having far superior physical characteristics to basically every other rookie except Mobley and perhaps Kuminga. Yet, even I'm not so big of a homer that I wouldn't trade Barnes for Mobley if offered. Barnes projects amazing but Mobley will likely win several DPOYs, so I would do that deal if Cleveland offered (they wouldn't).
I dont think its that foolish to say at this time. You are making it seem like Barnes is way better than Wagner or has a brighter future than Wagner. We dont know that yet and as rookies they are both very similar. One thing we do know is that both guys are going to have a bright future. I think when we look back at this draft Cade, Barnes, Mobley & Franz will all be all-stars if not borderline all stars.
Vampirate wrote:OrlMagic05 wrote:QingJames wrote:
lol come on now, that'd be foolish. Wagner looks good but Barnes certainly projects to be much better than both of those guys at this point, it's crazy the level of skill he's already attained while also having far superior physical characteristics to basically every other rookie except Mobley and perhaps Kuminga. Yet, even I'm not so big of a homer that I wouldn't trade Barnes for Mobley if offered. Barnes projects amazing but Mobley will likely win several DPOYs, so I would do that deal if Cleveland offered (they wouldn't).
I dont think its that foolish to say at this time. You are making it seem like Barnes is way better than Wagner or has a brighter future than Wagner. We dont know that yet and as rookies they are both very similar. One thing we do know is that both guys are going to have a bright future. I think when we look back at this draft Cade, Barnes, Mobley & Franz will all be all-stars if not borderline all stars.
I'm not saying there's not a possibility Franz won't become a superstar (this is the ceiling of both Barnes and Mobley and maybe Sengun, not that they are guaranteed to reach it).
In order for Franz to get to Superstar status he needs to become the next Dirk and really work and improve his midrange game.
He needs to be a big threat everywhere on the court, not just the 3 point line where he's best at right now.
zaymon wrote:QingJames wrote:zaymon wrote:
Some of us wouldnt trade Wagner for Barnes straight up let alone Suggs and Wagner.
lol come on now, that'd be foolish. Wagner looks good but Barnes certainly projects to be much better than both of those guys at this point, it's crazy the level of skill he's already attained while also having far superior physical characteristics to basically every other rookie except Mobley and perhaps Kuminga. Yet, even I'm not so big of a homer that I wouldn't trade Barnes for Mobley if offered. Barnes projects amazing but Mobley will likely win several DPOYs, so I would do that deal if Cleveland offered (they wouldn't).
Barnes is great, pleasure to watch but he relies on his tools a lot. Barnes looks almost fully developed physically while Wagner has a lot room to grow.
Barnes is 6'7 pf/c while Wagner is 6'10 sg/sf, you could argue whose ceiling is really higher, but Wagner is more skilled for sure.
People compare Barnes to Giannis, but he is not great driving to the rim. Wagner has a lot more volume and better efficiency.
